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Starbucks contradictions irk caffeine addict

Posted: Thursday, April 03, 2008 9:41 AM

 DALLAS – I drink a lot of Starbucks. By my calculations, I average at least ten trips a week to Starbucks, where I order either:

A: A triple grande latte (if I feel thin)

Or

B: A venti Americano with room for half-n-half (if I feel like I actually look)

Without Starbucks, I fear, I might actually die.

It’s not just about caffeine addiction. I think a big part of it is that having a 20-something with dreadlocks call me "dude" and ask how my day is going makes me feel young. Maybe not cool…but not like the 42-year-old dad I am, trying to figure out how to pay for two kids to go to college.

I’m not someone who typically goes out of my way to protect the environment, but for some reason a seemingly minor practice at my beloved Starbucks really bugs me.

For the record, I have never (not even once) brought my own mug with me and had the barista simply fill it up. If I did, I’d save a dime off of my order, and I’d be able to walk around telling people how I did something good for the environment…but I don’t.

I don’t recycle nearly as much as I should. And I don’t lecture people about their carbon footprints. I drive 30,000 miles annually and fly about 50 round-trips every year. I do use compact fluorescent light bulbs in my house (mostly because it saves money) but I don’t like them. I eat meat…a lot of meat. I’ve never owned anything made of hemp. In short, Al Gore would consider me bad for the environment.

Starbucks, on the other hand, takes great corporate pride in being green.

Surely you’ve seen the "Arctic Tale" DVDs sitting on store shelves:

"…inspiring animals face countless challenges in a beautiful icebound world that is rapidly melting beneath them."

Starbucks has used its considerable marketing clout to promote this film, which according to critics delivers a "powerful message" to kids "…of how global climate change is challenging our furry -- and blubbery -- animal friends."

Starbucks’ Web site last month included a link on the home page encouraging java junkies to take part in World Water Day. A little navigation will take you to the company’s "Environmental Affairs" site, where Starbucks explains its numerous environmental initiatives in great detail:

"…Starbucks is committed to minimizing our environmental impacts throughout our entire supply chain, from coffee bean to coffee cup."

It’s that last part about the cup that has me curious. Why on earth do I get two paper cups when I order one cup of coffee? By my highly un-scientific count over the past four months or so, I’ve been "double-cupped" roughly 60 percent of the time. And not just here in Texas. I travel all over the country and get the same results wherever I go.

"Double-cupping" is Starbucks’ word for the practice, which it has tried to end.

The first effort came in 1996, when the company held a design competition "…to develop a new disposable hot cup as an environmentally preferred solution to "double cupping…"

But the challenges of designing a paper coffee cup that holds a hot beverage without burning the fingers of the person drinking it proved too daunting. Instead, Starbucks adopted an interim solution: the corrugated paper sleeve, made from 60 percent post-consumer material.

I should point out here that in my double-cupping experiences, I get two cups AND the paper sleeve.

So back to the Web site I go, where I discover that in 2006, Starbucks did begin using new cups in its stores made with 10 percent post consumer fiber content – in other words 10 percent of the cup comes from recycled paper. That breakthrough, according to Starbucks, took three years of research and development and "…will lower Starbucks dependence on tree fiber by more than five million pounds annually."

The Environmental Defense Fund estimated the savings at 78,000 trees annually, noting that Starbucks uses 1.9 billion paper cups each year. That was 2006. Today, the company uses even more paper cups.

So, back to the double-cupping. How many trees do you think Starbucks would save by figuring out a way to serve one cup of coffee in one paper cup instead of two cups, plus a sleeve?

Is the technology really that elusive?

I’ve called Starbucks headquarters, and over the past few weeks have had some really pleasant conversations with their media relations people. They have all pointed out that their cups use 10 percent recycled content.

"But why do I keep getting two cups and a paper sleeve, instead of one cup?" I ask.

"You shouldn’t be," they answer.

"I know," I say, "that’s why I’m calling."

"Oh," they say, "we’ll get back to you on that."

And they did. First, by sending me their standards regarding double-cupping and cup sleeves:

  • We do not put cup sleeves on or double cup our milk-based hot beverages (Caffe Latte, Caffe Mocha, etc.). However, due to the cup design a cup sleeve is required on all Venti cups.
  • We do put cup sleeves on but do not double cup our water-based hot beverages (brewed coffee, tea, Americano, etc.).
  • Short cups are the only cups that require a double-cup (cup sleeves do not fit short cups).

"So I shouldn’t be getting two cups when I order a Triple Grande Latte or Venti Americano," I say when I call back.

"Right," they say.

"Then why am I?"

"We’ll get back to you on that."

And again, they did. This time with Brian Grandbouche, their Director of Retail Implementation, who told me the company "constantly tests new ideas." But, he added, Starbucks is "looking for a solution always that’s environmentally sound and meets the needs of the customer, and sometimes those needs don’t marry up."

"Alas, the answer!" I think to myself. "The technology really is that hard."

I picture a room full of scientists working tirelessly on a coffee cup breakthrough. But I’m wrong again.

"Actually," he tells me, "we feel we have that cup, if a milk-based beverage is in there."

Then what, ultimately, is the root of the double-cupping dilemma?

People.

Baristas double-cup despite Starbucks rules against it because they think it’s what consumers want. Consumers don’t stop them because it is what we want.

As for Starbucks? They’re pushing stores to provide more "serveware" for people who drink coffee in the store, and they’re encouraging consumers and employees to use refillable travel mugs. They’ve also launched a Web site, MyStarbucksIdea.com, for consumers to offer their input.

"We’re refocusing ourselves," said Grandbouche. "We can do more, right. I like the fact that actually this is something that we can do something about."

Meanwhile, I’m developing my own action plan: 

  •  I’m going to seriously consider bringing my own mug to Starbucks. Seriously. That doesn’t mean I’ll actually do it yet, but I’ll definitely think about it.
  • When I see the dreaded second cup come out, I’ll heroically intervene, saying something clever like "are you crazy, you’ll kill us all."
  • When I do get double-cupped, I’ll save the second cups at home, re-using them at social occasions when I’m giving my guests Folgers, but want them to think its Starbucks. They’ll know it’s not Starbucks, but I’ll deny it.

Finally, I should point out that Starbucks isn’t the only company facing the hot cup dilemma. Other big chains have been criticized over the years for, say, using Styrofoam coffee cups.

They’re all looking for solutions…while I’m looking for my next caffeine fix.

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2 Comments:
1-for the author, if you are having a hard time trying to figure out how to pay for your children's college, begin with taking the $5/day you are spending on coffee and put it in an interest bearing account.
2-for Startbucks, if you are truly trying to encourage consumers to use your refillable travel mugs-make them more affordable. $15 for a mug that yields a 10 cent discount is not encouragement.
Altogether funny, damning and thought-provoking!
Hey Don,
If you're trying to figure out how to pay for college for your kids, how about not going to Starbucks. You'll save $30-$50 bucks a week for your kids' college, and you won't have to worry your I'm-concerned-about-the environment-but-I'm-not-going-to-do-anything-about-it-myself-except-complain-about-Starbucks self any more. Honestly, it's people like you that drive me nuts. Shut the 'f' up or start making a real effort. "I'll die without Starbucks" — No you won't. You'll find an alternative.
The one thing that might work is an economic incentive.  If Starbucks is spending twice what it needs to on paper cups by double-cupping, it can afford to offer cash incentives to reduce the waste, and at the same time, incease its "green-ness."  
First, Starbucks could do a 1-2 month promotion: $1 off each drink that's served in the customer's own container (and think how many extra Starbucks mugs they'd sell in the first month).  Then, going forward, increase the BYOC discount to 50 cents per drink, because 25 cents is obviously too low to matter to most Starbucks customers.
Combine the customer incentive with a fine for baristas caught automatically double-cupping when the customer doesn't ask.
I believe Starbucks consumers are mostly in favor of taking action to help the environment, but most of us don't realize how our little daily habits are a BIG obstacle to making real change.
But, most people pay attention to cash.
So...Starbucks could do some environmental good by helping people to change their habits and also do some economic good for themselves by cutting their cost for paper cups.
If you'd like to figure out how to pay for college (for two), you might stop blowing ~$150 a month at starbucks.  Stop wasting time trying to look/feel cool (or being your kids "friend") and be the adult that is responsible for bringing up children.  If you must have a coffee fix, try the $0.99 cup at Mcdonalds!
It is too bad you don't have Tim Hortons in your state.  They only use one cup and its cardboard.  It is the best coffee around.  Not as strong as Starbucks but tastes much better.

http://www.timhortons.com/
You could afford to send your kids to college by making your own coffee.  Starbucks needs double cups because they burn--high degree--the coffee.  
Beautiful!Beautiful! Very Beautiful article.
You could afford to send your kids to college by making your own coffee.  Starbucks needs double cups because they burn--high degree--the coffee.  
O.k. so I admit this post has nothing to do with Starbucks reducing their carbon footprint, but...there is another practice at Starbucks that has bugged me for a long time that I do not think many consumers know about.  I too am a caffeine junkie and often order a triple skim grande latte.  I also sometimes order a quad Venti which was how I came to discover that a regular grande and a Venti latte have the same number of shots in them - 2.  The only difference in the Venti is more milk (which by the way you can get for free at the "fixing counter"), oh yeah and more money!  I was under the assumption that the Venti would have three shots normally and that when I ordered a quad they would charge me for one extra shot not 2.  However this is not the case.  When I asked, they said it was a "taste" issue.  Apparently, 3 shots taste funny in a Venti.  I for one would let the consumer decide this and not have them pay more for a little extra milk!
I love it!  Common Sense isn't common. I worked in a coffe house and we never had an an issue. Paper cup and sleeve for all carryout coffee.  No one ever complained or burned them selves.  I love my coffee but I just brew my own at home put my favorite creamer in it and only spend about .50 on each cup.  And I use store bought styrofoam cups so I too am bad for the enviroment! No second cup and no sleev.
I would be more concerned about Starbucks changing policy on latte's containing milk will now get non-fat, as opposed to whole milk.  It has now been revealed that non-fat milk causes prostate cancer in men.
Stop your blathering and just bring your own mug or ask the barristas to only give you one cup!
College fund tip: Stop spending $2,500 a year on Starbucks.
In my coffee house - we have one sleeve that fits the 12, 16 and 20 oz cups.  It is made from recycled paper/cardboard and keeps your hand from getting burned.  Thus, we only need to use one cup with a sleeve.  I do not understand the continuing double cupping at Starbucks at all.  There are plenty of options with the use of a sleeve.  I think they must be afraid the sleeve will cover up their cup logo.  Now it will take three years to move the logo so it says above the sleeve.
Let's see. You make "at least ten trips a week to Starbucks" and you're worried about their carbon footprint. You must spend at least $40-$50 a week - over $2500 a year - for coffee, plus gasoline for at least 520 annual trips to Starbucks, and you're
"trying to figure out how to pay for two kids to go to college." Wow. The dilemmas of the modern world.

So now that I've read your environmental impact column, I can't wait for the one on fiscal responsibility.
Hey!  We have one of the biggest gardens in the country, we grow trees.  We want you to use them for paper coffee cups so we can feed and clothe our children.  Next time you get double cupped say thanks for using Americas's renewable resources.
Starbucks should check out the chain of coffee shops, Espresso Royale, I never get a double cup from them, not even for a small coffee, perhaps because their sleeves fit every cup size...technology can't be THAT hard AND they use recycled paper products. I have to admit the one ugly truth,however-I like Starbucks coffee better. Sigh. Nothing is perfect. Thanks for the story!
I knew someone who worked at a Starbucks in Chicago.  He told me they took all the recycled materials and dumped in the regular trash bins behind the store where no one could see them.

If you want to help the environment, don't go to Starbucks!  It's bad enough they refuse to use fair-trade coffee but is anyone lame enough to think that by using a regular coffee cup is going to help?  Give me a break.
And why doesn't Starbucks have recycling recepticals in its stores?  The paper cups are recycleable, as are the plastic lids - so why are we throwing them all away?
drop the serving tempature of the coffee to an acceptable, will not burn your fingers off level; do not fill the cup to within 1/100000 inch of full; make the cup corrougated at a thickness of 2/3 of a regular cup with the sleeve (forget the double cup!)that saves 1/3 up front; increase recycled paper content to 50%. Adding a small % of bio-degradable sealer to the two outer layers of the cup should help retard the wicking of the liquid through the cup.
The time and money allegedly spent researching this relatively simple matter would have been better spent replanting trees, many more trees than they are now consuming.
Mr.Teague,
The solution to your college tuition problem is right in front of you. Switch to plain old coffee, or better yet, kick your caffeine habit altogether. I figure a $60-70 weekly savings, or $3120-3640 a year. Cut back on red meat and you could probably add another $1500 yearly to that college fund. Think about it!
I'm not into the Starbucks thing. (There's no Starbucks here, but until recently I was in NYC where Starbucks is omnipresent.) While I admire and respect their take-over method, I detest them for it.

After reading about a third of this article - sorry, but at about the 8th paragraph I was overcome by the MEGO Phenomenon (Mine Eyes Glaze Over) - and skimmed the rest.

Starbucks is iconic and I've felt vaguely uncomfortable about not being into it's thing. So I want to Thank You for this article because now I'm really glad I'm not into the Starbucks thing.
Unless you get to file your coffee expenses, the best way to start putting your kids through college might involve substitution. (Buy your famous coffee at the grocery store and brew it yourself). 10 trips a week, 52 weeks, 4 bucks (min.) per trip=2080 bucks per year.  Over 18 years, even a bad mutual fund could put one kid through college.  Maybe Starbucks should put your kids through college!
You may be confused because Starbucks is greenwashing. It will advertise that it is "green" and do some green things, but it hasn't really made the commitment to establish the greenest possible processes and to work toward sustainability. Very, very few large corporations have.
I must say I have never been "double-cupped" at Starbucks, and I'm in there about as often as the author and my usual order is a tall peppermint mocha "extra hot." I do like the cup sleeves as the cups can be hot, but if this is all about insulating the cup because it's too hot to hold, can't they make cups with those handles that can be folded out from the side of the cup? They come like that in the packages of cups one buys in grocery stores (or maybe they don't anymore--maybe the handle broke off a cup one day and someone scalded himself and sued the cup manufacturer, thus making the handles a dangerous liability and a threat to conservative society?). Then everyone has the option of cup no-handle no sleeve/cup no-handle with sleeve/cup with handle
I have only been double cupped when they have been out of the sleaves or if I request it. Due to my grande extra hot skinny vanilla latte
I need coffee!
As a barista of Starbucks I understand your situation. Let me just say that it is NOT Starbucks' policy to double cup on ANY drink. I don't care what barista you talk to. We were instructed to always give one cup and a sleeve to every drink. It was a practice for a while to use two cups and a sleeve for hot teas b/c the water is 200+ degrees. Some baristas took it upon themselves to use this "rule" for other drinks that were mainly hot water i.e. Americanos. It then morphed into a free for all, everyone gets two cups and a sleeve kind of thing. It has recently been reinforced by the Corporate big wigs to only use 1 cup and sleeve for all. Which was the rule to begin with however like I said had changed into a wasteful, you're getting 2 cups so deal with it kind of thing. So to put a very long comment short (too late). For the most part you are supposed to get one cup and sleeve, however there are some people who refuse to conform. These are the same jerks that pretend you dont know what you mean when someone orders a small or a medium. We know! they're just being annoying, and causing headaches for everyone else.
You guys are all so funny.  Make coffee at home and take that with you in a regular coffee cup.  I put my kids through college (2) of them and paid cash for my half (their dad who owns a condo in Florida and a $200K house here AND who has a wife who makes $100K a year took out a loan!!).  Why oh why would you go to Starbucks???  Plus it is horrible coffee.  I had it years ago in Seattle and thought little of it then.
Just kick the habit- then you don't have to double cup, single cup, waste gas going there, nor complain about it....
Leave it to a huge corporation not to care.  I believe that most of what these big companies say about saving the world is full of hot air, just a marketing ploy to suck in consumers.  And, I am sure that quite a few of those consumers are no better than the big companies.  Environmentalism is the new trendy buzz word.  Why would people care about a second paper cup, when most people don't even try to use a gallon less a week of gas? (notice that a lot of Starbuck's have drive thru windows)  Wonder why we are fat?  Our local, family owned coffee house uses a cup design that has a protective outer layer, no second cup and no extra protective sleeve (AMAZING!)
The question for Starbucks is... do they really want to practice what they preach?  Probably not.
I myself don't use starbucks we have PJ'S from New Orleans paper cups in three different sizes w/ one sleeve that fits them all. Yes I have three starbucks with in easly distance PJ's just makes better coffee at a better price :-)
I pick up Starbucks lattes for my boss and myself at least once a day (and have been for about a year).  I have never, ever, been double-cupped.  However, the article does make me want to start bringing my own mug - I do own one, but forget it constantly.

As for everyone who suggested brewing at home...and I have tried to make my own lattes with the cappucino machine at home...it does not taste nearly as good as Starbucks.  Not even close.  If I must have a vice...why not let it be my Starbucks addiction?

Gee, just bring your own darn mug. I've been using my own mug for years. In time, it becomes a habit. Coffee is hot, and I don't blame Starbucks for double-cupping, sleeving, etc. If you're concerned about the environment, bring your own mug. The last thing I want to read is this smug article.
Quote- "I would be more concerned about Starbucks changing policy on latte's containing milk will now get non-fat, as opposed to whole milk.  It has now been revealed that non-fat milk causes prostate cancer in men."  

That is total crap.  What scientists found was that whole milk helped fight prostate cancer where other milks didn't.  They haven't figured out why, just a causal relationship.  That in NO WAY can be defined as skim milk causes prostate cancer.  Don't spread lies about food, the average person is already too ignorant about nutrition as is.
Perhaps a cup made three-times heavier using three-times  more paper than a regular cup would solve the problem.  Sure it would be less eco-friendly, but it would sound better to say they're using one cup instead of two.  

Or could it be that double-cupping is the most eco-friendly way to serve a hot beverage?
I used to work at starbucks as a supervisor and from experience I can tell you that even if a new and improved cup is used, double-cupping will still continue. Why? Because of the guests. Almost every day guests ask for a second cup whether it be on an americano, a lattes, or even a frappucino (yeah I don't get it either). Guests also often ask for the largest bag for their single muffin. Starbucks has a just say yes policy and if the rules tell the baristas to use one cup but them customer says two ( even three sometimes) guess how many cups they'll get. And as for the cups made from 10% recycled material, they get thrown away with the regular trash in every store I've ever worked at. Some stores have tried to start a recycling program but it a volunteer, single-store effort and the baristas had to be the ones to travel to and from the recycling plant two cities away, on their off time without reimbursment. Needless to say the recyling effort did not last long. So please don't blame baristas because they truely want to help. This issue and many others can only be fixed if the corporate leaders decide it is a lucrative enough investment.
This is all about not seeing the forest for the trees, or the other way around. One previous comment made the real point: trees are a renewable resource. The trees used for paper are not old growth; they are all planted and grown for the purpose of making paper. A growing tree (especially a young one vigorously growing, as opposed to old growth) "freezes" carbon, keeping it out of the atmosphere. (Of course, the real real point is that CO2 has absolutely nothing to do with the miniscule global warming that may or may not be occuring and may or may not be good or bad. Natural water vapor has far more effect and, besides that, our warming/ cooling cycles are caused by sun fluctuations.)
Want to reduce your carbon footprint? QUIT BUYING OVERPRICED COFFEE!!! How about actually using those things called "water fountains" they have all over the U.S.? I have never gone thirsty while flying or driving - and I don't spend a ridiculous $5 a cup on coffee.

You're bound to generate about as much sympathy from the general public as someone who's upset their crack dealer doesn't have a recycling program for the plastic bags...
I don't recall reading anywhere in the article where the author asked for advice on how to pay for college. It was a funny aside only. Concentrate on the main topic of the piece which was, why the heck Starbucks uses two cups!  Reusing them at home is a good idea. Great article!
I brew starbucks coffe at home, I really am partial to their African coffees which I can't buy anywhere else. I brew one 16 oz cup and carry it with me. Then if I want coffee during the day, I have my cup, and carry it with me. By doing this I not only save the gas to drive to starbucks, but I save myself money for my daughter's college, and I avoid the whole paper cup issue. I've reduced my 10 trips a month to the store front to about 2.

If I know it's going to be a long day, I sometimes fill a starbucks thermos and carry it along for the day, to avoid the extra trip.
Solution to Starbucks?
Don't go there.  Need caffeine when you're not home? ARCO AM/PM, 7/11, Circle K, Chevron, Mobil, Shell - ALL have coffee dispensing options, and it's only $1.49 on average for a 24 oz. cup.  Bring your own mug? It's only 99 cents!!!  Geez man - get out of your "I'm a 42-year old dad who wants to feel cool" mentality and into the "I'm a man, I can take responsibility for making my own coffee, being economically and ecologically frugal, and gee, I can save for my kids college, too!" mind set.  I challenge all Starbucks-a-holics to do the same.
Hey everyone, when you stop indulging on things that YOU don't need to do, you can lecture Don on fiscal responsibility. Don't be so angry.
I agree with Sara from WA. Cash incentives are the way to go-don't you think all of us would like to help save the environment and save a little cash on our daily fix? No one wants our earth to go to waste.  I also think that Starbucks should have recycling bins! Mostly everything we put in their trash is either paper or plastic! PS-My office thankfully has recycling bins, that's where my coffee cups go!
I loved everyword, Yeah I have felt the same ( but with 4 kids) To say thinking of a way to do collage does not mean you have no plan again I understand.  I love starbucks and 'treat' myself as often as I can.  Ya wanna go green? want to sell more 'starbucks' cups  offer a better deal .10 hah  are you kidding  that does not cover the tax.... try $1.00 off  or better yet 25%   hey theres an Idea that would cover tax and make it worth my while.     oh rambling again tiz time for another cup o'joe.
Wow, Whats wrong with this planet? When did paper cups become news worthy? Did someone already write the nit on 2 ply toilet paper and how I feel better about myself when I use name Charmin? Do your friends think your cooler now that you put generic toilet paper in a charmin wrapper?  WTF? A Starbucks the single most "Captain Trendy Badge". Go back to Starbucks and pretend you are writing something important on your laptop.
I own a traveling mug, and do refills every time I buy coffee out, which comes to about twice a month because WHO CAN AFFORD STARBUCKS yikes!...at the local Chevron, or the LOCAL coffee shop. At the Chevron it saves me half the cost, from $1.29 to .59. At the LOCAL coffee shop, it savees me the same dime that it would at Starbucks, but when I buy from the local coffee shop, I'm supporting a local business.

Why is the use of a paper cup better than a styrofoam cup?  The plastic cup is a much better product in that it keeps the coffee hotter longer and doesn't burn your fingers.  Also, a cardboard wrapper is unnecessary and you only need one cup.  Just think of all the trees that can be saved.  Plastic is recyclable also and we have a plastics recycling industry right here in the good old USA.
As a coffee drinker and architect who designs restaurants the real issue is not that Starbuck's can't seem to get it's barristas's do stop double cupping, let's get real here, it's that consumers will get what they want if they are willing to pay for it.  If you are so concerned about Starbucks double cupping, say something or better yet don't go there.  When sales drop they'll figure it out won't they.

I think what nobody realizes here is just how cheap Starbucks is; that's why they won't waste time (which thus wastes money) on inventing new thigns for the store.
I've been at starbucks almost 2 years, and in my training, we were told to double cup teas and americanos, because the hot water (should be) between 190 and 195 degrees. Instead of asking for some ice cubes, most customers ask for a double cup.
And then I get the lovely customers who ask for a double cup coffee with a sleeve, and then when I put the drink down, they throw the sleeve down. (!!)
I also have quite a problem with Starbucks and recycling. Granted, I work at a licensed store, but I think it still applies. All of the recyclable milk cartons we use, and carboard we throw out is just that- thrown out. We have no receptacles for recyclable products. How can Starbucks say they're going green when they throw everything away?
And I'm sorry, but if your life is so pathetic that you make ten (TEN) trips to Starbucks in one week- maybe you should rethink your priorities? Latte or future for my child? Invest the money you're wasting on not-so-green Starbucks in a fund for college. Dunkin donuts, badass coffee, folgers- there are choices out there!
I guess I sympathize with you though. If I drank the stuff I sell, I'd probably be just as addicted to the burning hot bitter taste of coffee that is supporting the family of the CEO, but not the ones who cultivate the beans.


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