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New Navy uniform goes retro

Posted: Thursday, July 17, 2008 2:41 PM

By Courtney Kube, NBC News Pentagon producer

WASHINGTON – The Navy uniform is going retro.

About 100 U.S. sailors around the world are testing out the Navy's new service dress khaki uniform.  

The look isn't really new though – it is actually a throwback to the old World War II-style uniform which was worn through the Vietnam era – and includes a black tie worn with a khaki coat that has large black shoulder boards. 

Image: Adm. Mike Mullen
U.S. Navy/ Chad J. McNeeley 

Adm. Mike Mullen, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, sports the "new" Navy look at a press conference at the Pentagon on July 2. 

The dress khakis, which are worn for events ranging from business meetings and promotion ceremonies to meetings at the White House and testimony on Capitol Hill, can be worn year round.

While the new uniform will add to the larger collections of uniforms rather than replacing one, Navy officers and Chiefs will ultimately be allowed to wear it in place of three other existing uniforms – the less formal service khakis, the formal dress blues, and the formal whites.  

Admiral Elmo Zumwalt, the chief of naval operations in the early 1970’s, discarded the look, arguing that it forced sailors to carry too many uniforms in their sea bags when deployed. 

Navy officials today argue the opposite, saying it will actually decrease the number of uniforms a sailor will have to carry on deployment: officers and chiefs can wear the long-sleeved khaki shirt and tie for formal work situations and then easily change to a formal dress uniform by putting on the jacket.

The officer who is bringing back the look is Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Admiral Mike Mullen, who was the chief of naval operations before taking on his current post.

Mullen believes the new dress khakis distinguish the officers from the enlisted sailors, and he is proving it by wearing the uniform during the trial period. 

The testing began in June, runs through the end of the summer, and includes sailors at the Pentagon, in Norfolk, Virginia, Pearl Harbor, Hawaii, and even as far away as Yokosuka, Japan. At the end of the summer, the testers will evaluate the uniform in focus groups and online. 

So far, the sailors wearing the uniform in the Pentagon are raving about it.  A few civilian Pentagon staffers have less praise for the attire, though, saying it looks "too old-fashioned."  The large shoulder boards take the most criticism, with one civilian reporter at the Pentagon calling them "big and awkward."

Admiral Mullen debuted the new uniform at a White House event last month, where the president reportedly gave the look a thumbs-up. 

Asked how he likes the uniform after a recent press conference, Mullen said with a laugh, "Actually, I love it! What do you think?" 

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My Navy friends have mixed feelings. Some like the idea of one uniform to replace some others, some agree it's just one more uniform to worry about. As a woman who loves a man in uniform, I would hate to see those dress whites go. Sexy sexy.
The shoulder boards look to be the same size as standard Navy officer boards.  Twice in the article their size is referenced.  Are they different than the ones worn on either the Service Dress or Dress White uniforms?
As the fact remains there still the typical ugly Navy Military Garb. Better off having some Marines loan them some real Uniforms (BDU) and stop whinning like a bunch of sissies.
All I see is another uniform that I might wear once a year that I would have to pay a significant amount of money to buy.  No thanks.
I like it! It allows the wearer or the unit commanding officer a choice of uniforms. The article referenced the comments of civilians. Why do they care? I could not care one iota what a civilian staffer or Pentagon reporter thinks of the uniform or any uniform my bros and sis in arms wear. What they think is quite irrelevant to the topic.
The "New" uni looks good and prevents ruining white shirts by staining in offices. It's one jacket and two shirts more. If boards are the same, it's good. The khaki uni w/short sleeves is worn today. It's a good option.     Bob, San Diego
New uniforms are needed. Lets hope they went for quality material and better fit for these uniforms.  And I think the only opinions that should matter are those of the military, not of the civilians who work with them and can wear what they want, not forced to wear stuffy, poorly fitted polyester suits every day.  
As a current navy enlisted, my question are these for only khaki wearers (E-7 and above, espec with the advent of wearing a khaki uniform as enlisted starting this summer, is this the eventual plan for it all, I too like the style and is still indivualistic enough not to be like the air force or army, however there is a sense of history like no others, save possible USMC with a tradional uniform in the dress blues.  The dress whites can go away, but as uncomfortable as the dress blues it is the pride that i wear with them, the recognition from a long distance away, of people knowing you are USN!!!
The working uniforms are also changing... for the better!
As a retired Navy Officer, I’ve got an opinion on this new uniform.  While I was still on active duty, I had to maintain a number of different uniforms, which is no small expense.  When a new uniform material comes out, the old uniforms become obsolete, with varying lengths of time to phase out the old and phase in the new – regardless of whether the old uniform still looks good or not.  It doesn’t matter if this new uniform is OPTIONAL, the Commanding Officer of the unit makes his “desires” known, and those that don’t comply do so at their own risk (unofficially).  Personally, I think it looks good.  It’d be better for all concerned if they retired one uniform when they adopt another to preclude the concerns stated regarding too many uniforms to maintain.
As a retired Navy Officer, I’ve got an opinion on this new uniform.  While I was still on active duty, I had to maintain a number of different uniforms, which is no small expense.  When a new uniform material comes out, the old uniforms become obsolete, with varying lengths of time to phase out the old and phase in the new – regardless of whether the old uniform still looks good or not.  It doesn’t matter if this new uniform is OPTIONAL, the Commanding Officer of the unit makes his “desires” known, and those that don’t comply do so at their own risk (unofficially).  Personally, I think it looks good.  It’d be better for all concerned if they retired one uniform when they adopt another to preclude the concerns stated regarding too many uniforms to maintain.
As a retired Navy Officer, I’ve got an opinion on this new uniform.  While I was still on active duty, I had to maintain a number of different uniforms, which is no small expense.  When a new uniform material comes out, the old uniforms become obsolete, with varying lengths of time to phase out the old and phase in the new – regardless of whether the old uniform still looks good or not.  It doesn’t matter if this new uniform is OPTIONAL, the Commanding Officer of the unit makes his “desires” known, and those that don’t comply do so at their own risk (unofficially).  Personally, I think it looks good.  It’d be better for all concerned if they retired one uniform when they adopt another to preclude the concerns stated regarding too many uniforms to maintain.
As a retired Navy Officer, I’ve got an opinion on this new uniform.  While I was still on active duty, I had to maintain a number of different uniforms, which is no small expense.  When a new uniform material comes out, the old uniforms become obsolete, with varying lengths of time to phase out the old and phase in the new – regardless of whether the old uniform still looks good or not.  It doesn’t matter if this new uniform is OPTIONAL, the Commanding Officer of the unit makes his “desires” known, and those that don’t comply do so at their own risk (unofficially).  Personally, I think it looks good.  It’d be better for all concerned if they retired one uniform when they adopt another to preclude the concerns stated regarding too many uniforms to maintain.
As a retired Navy Officer, I've got an opinion on this new uniform.  While I was still on active duty, I had to maintain a number of different uniforms, which is no small expense.  When a new uniform material comes out, the old uniforms become obsolete, with varying lengths of time to phase out the old and phase in the new - regardless of whether the old uniform still looks good or not.  It doesn't matter if this new uniform is OPTIONAL, the Commanding Officer of the unit makes his "desires" known, and those that don't comply do so at their own risk (unofficially).  Personally, I think it looks good.  It'd be better for all concerned if they retired one uniform when they adopt another to preclude the concerns stated regarding too many uniforms to maintain.
I think that we should put the soldiers in drag.  Nothing is sexier to me, than seeing a big navy hunk in a pretty dress or a skirt suit.
A big "Bravo-Zulu" to the Navy for going back to one of the MOST VERSATILE uniforms that an Officer or Chief ever got to wear!  You could wear the service dress(SDK)khaki long anywhere, look good, and be recognizable as a US sailor anywhere.  You could hang it out overnight and it would be ready to wear the next day.  Easier to wear than the tropical white long (TWL-stains and starch)or service dress blue (SDB-often too heavy even in CONUS)and could be mixed with the tropical khaki short/long working uniform. The shoulder boards do look to be the same size as the ones used with whites(Spent most of my time in the Navy (17 yrs), ended up finally retiring from the Army last Oct. 1(after 15 yr break and 5 more yrs service for 22 total) Enjoyed the Navy and appreciated having the opportunity to retire provided by the Army). Go Navy!  
I like it--best looking .mil uniform to come down the pipe in eons.  Looks like the same boards you'd put on the whites.  We always lamented that the dress khaki's were long gone.
I would like to know who is the manufacturer so I can get them. I am a yacht captain who finds buying matching khaki pants and shirts impossible!! You would not believe the different colors of khakis.
They look the same size, but shoulder boards aren't worn on the jackets with the other uniforms.  They are worn with the long-sleeved shirts.  The khaki shirts don't have epaulets to attach shoulder boards...  Why don't they have sleeve devices and ribbon like all the other jackets?
Looks like he is wearing a brown paper bag! Guess they don't know how to leave a good thing alone.  
So the Big Wig Admiral wants to yet again insure that all the glory and image is heaped on the officers, while the lowly enlisted men continue to grovel at the admiral's feet. What drivel!
It took 15 years to get a useful and function daily uniform for enlisted men. They still don't get the same quality footwear that other services get. I'll bet the new officers garb took less than two years to debut. What arrogance! Silly ring knockers.
This is just another way for the Navy and the Navy Exchange to make money off their sailors.  Oh well, what's $250 for another uniform and tailoring that I'll rarely wear.  If the shoulder boards are different for some reason, then you can tack on another $50.  I think we have enough uniforms to worry about already.  Absolutely dumb!
probably another uniform that the cadets in the seven maritime academies in the US will have to buy... but it sure beats me having to change all the time
I think this looks great and emotes positive memories of the Navy's past excellence and the great fleets of WWII.  Provided that the concept (serving as casual or formal) it could also serve as a common sense change.
There's only two sizes of the hard shoulder boards pictured above. A larger one for men and a smaller one for women. They do look a little big on CJCS, but he's, shall we say, not a big man, so he suffers from a little "overhang".
We have a war going on and the Navy is worried about how to better distinguish between Officer and Enlisted?  What other goofy research is going on?  
Shoulder boards are the same size. I don't see a problem. The uniform looks sharp!
Being a Navy veteran myself (I was a petty Officer), the "new" uniform is just for CPO's and above, so who cares?  I remember the stupid uniform changes that Adm. Zumwalt forced on us back in the 1970's -- I was glad that we went back to the "Cracker Jacks", dungarees and chambrey shirts, etc., they looked sharper than what Zumwalt came up with.  But as for these "new" ones for E-7's and above...well, I guess it's just another option for them.
By chance, do you have a photo of the Chief version of the new uniform?  I retired from the Navy after 28 years of service in 1992; and I sure wish we had that uniform.
The dress whites, with the standing collar, are iconic in the US Navy.  Conversely, a khaki field-dress uniform with different trim colors for Army, Navy, Air Force, Marine Corps, Coast Guard would indicate a unity and lack of petty rivalry among the United States military.
The Army shold have gone to the IKE jacket and not dress blues for all.  Now with possibly the exception of the Navy, all service class A uniforms will be some form of blue.  Todays U.S. Army with it's soon to be black beret and dress blue uniform combo will have soldiers soldiers looking like some 1937 French soldier leaving the Maginot Line for a weekend pass.
We could have done better. Also why are the services competing in some type of Battle Dress Uniform competition? Now the USAF has a digitized tiger stripe battle dress unirom with a hint of blue in it.  No doubt a  study was conducted that showed that during limited visiblity hours it was less visible than it's Army or Marine counterpart.
As for the USMC...My hats are off to you!!! You still know that a desert uniform should still have various hues of brown and tan, and a woodlan pattern should have greens.  Also you know how to role up your sleeves, something the Army now feels has to be rammmed down the soldier throat, otherwise he may forget to lower them in the field.
Oh one other thing before I go...I saw the cover of a recent Air Force times that said the black boot may be back...Christ, I don't think they ahve met the wear out date on yet with their new green boot.
Give me dress greens and a poplin shirt any day, and a good set of cotton khaki's.

Bob Stodnick
MSG (ret)
Retro isn't bad...I wish that we (I am in the Army) would go back to the khaki and brown of WWII and bring back the Eisenhower jacket.
Yet the enlisted guys/gals still wear the same silly looking, effeminate uniforms.
The Coast Guard said it right a long time ago. One uniform for all occassions and the wearers don't have to wonder what day of the year it is, for the right uniform. It looks great all the time.
Personally,I don't see the issue they mentioned with them looking "too old fashioned" Seeing them reminds me of the pictures and movies we see of wwII and the cold war during the 50s and 60s. A uniform that reminds people of those times,and how well our navy performed their duties certainly cannot be a bad idea.
Now that the Navy has bought back the khakis for Chiefs and Officers.. when will the "crackerjacks" return for the enlisted man? The "crackerjack" set the sailor apart for all the other services.  
Please don't get rid of the Enlisted
Formal Dress Blues withe the 13 buttons and the white piping,, yes they are too sexy! love "em
I am in the navy but also a Navy wife!
If the reason for this uniform is to differ the officers from enlisted why are the enlisted changing their uniforms to a khaki shirt. A little excessive.
Seems like just another way to make someone else richer, a 'new' uniform made mandantory to a captive crowd. The idea of "it looks old fashioned" is more than a little bit STUPID for 'evaluating' the uniform, too!
As a retired Navy CPO, I think the "new" uniform looks outstanding! The Navy has been built on many traditions, the uniform being one of them. I was a "victim" of the "Zumwalt Navy" and was issued the CPO style uniform along with utilities instead of "Crackerjacks" and dungarees and hated them. I didn't look like a sailor and the utilities were uncomfortable. When they came back out with the crackerjacks, I was one of the first in my command to buy them. I would have loved to have had this uniform rather than carry a set of whites or blues for a special event in the middle of the day. Throw on a coat and tie and you're ready to go!
The new uniform looks fine. It was always hard to tell one Navy Officer from the next Petty Officer. I am a Marine, so, they can do what they want.
I'm a retired Navy woman officer (1971-1991) who always thought the old dress khakis were sharp - trim and athletic looking, with a defined waistline in the jacket. I wished there had been a women's version of it - our whites were a pain. The pic doesn't show enough of Adm Mullen's uni to see if it's the same style, but I hope so.
Adm. Zumwalt had a bad case of common sense about a lot of things. Too bad the Navy recovered from it after he left.
tan khaki is ok but this brat says don't take the dress whites away!
Of course the top brass in the military loves this new uniform because it reminds them of when they were growing up...in the 40's!  Gentlemen, its time to let go of the past and move forward.  Whats next?  Will the President now be driven around town in a Studebaker or "classic" Cabriolet?
The Navy screwed around with enlisted uniforms in the early 70's and that was the biggest mistake they eveer made. It wasn't lomg before the enlisted looked like rag bags. Thanks Adm. Zummy!!! Its taken nearly forty years to undo what one fuzzy headed CNO did to us.

R.L.Baker USN (ret)
Where they should be spending the money is on a new uniform for enlisted personnel.
Sailors have more to worry about than a uniform change. I served 20 years and rememeber "how about this a great idea?"  sending a ship to general quarters on more than one ocassion. I am glad it only impacts senior leadership.
The Navy's current involvement in the so called "War on Terror" is relatively minor compared with that of the army.  Admiral Millen is the biggest "presence" tha the Navy has right now, and this uniform business is his effort at keeping the Navy in the eyes of the congressmen and senators who vote funds for the military services.

Twenty years or so ago, the Air Force was going through a period when its zoomie jets and overall mission was not always in the public eye.  The Air Force Chief of Staff chose that period to "redesign" the Air Force service dress uniform.  THAT uniform was designed to look more like the Navy service dress uniform with rank insignia replaced by cuff bands denoting rank.  It was a failure and was withdrawn.

I think Admiral has more to do than this, and should pay attention to the real business at hand and leave the uniforms alone.  Adding or changing uniforms costs a bundle of money. Rather than new uniforms, that money should probably be spent on better roadside bomb detectors.
Yes, it is a very good official looking uniform.


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