Babe’s old teammate no fan of ‘grubby’ ball players

Paul Gomez, Rancho Cucamonga, CA — Tue, 15 Jul 2008 17:22:55 GMT

This is a great story. Today's players don't dress like yesterday that's for certain. In fact some look very sloppy. I was taught that the way you dressed for work was reflected in your job performance. Perhaps, this explains today's highly paid "underachievers" in major league sports, including MLB.

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Felica, dewey beach,de — Tue, 15 Jul 2008 17:29:02 GMT

"caterwaulers" I love that word, old school for cry babys

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Al, Houston, Texas — Tue, 15 Jul 2008 17:34:18 GMT

This is the greatest first-hand information I have seen on Ruth/Gehrig. Thanks for printing it.

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JoeG, Irvine, CA — Tue, 15 Jul 2008 18:09:57 GMT

Nice to read words from someone that was there. Mr. weber does not embelish nor is does he make himself the central figure. Wish the article was longer so we could get more 1st hand in-site about the game, the period and the legends.

I am not a die hard baseball fan but I do enjoy the gsame and its history.

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Barry P, Worcester MA — Tue, 15 Jul 2008 18:20:35 GMT

Back in my day...blah, blah, blah. Doesn't this guy have an early bird special to get to?

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Gary Compton — Tue, 15 Jul 2008 18:24:53 GMT

What a great story. I too wish it was longer and Mr. Werber has a great point about how "sloppy" some of the players looked. Roger Maris and Bobby Richardson of the Yankees ALWAYS looked the part when they took the field! All American guys for an All American sport!! Thanks for a great look back!

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Mark Hopkins — Tue, 15 Jul 2008 18:25:37 GMT

Great article. True jounalism, instead of the self important "reporters" and gossip columnists masquerading as "journalists". Keep up the good work.

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Danny Moe, Kailua, Hawaii (Oahu) — Tue, 15 Jul 2008 18:26:18 GMT

thanks for the history from one who was present during its making. to hear from some who knew the babe and gehrig and then to make a comment about the aloofness of gehrig is even greater. thank you again. just wish he will be around longer so you can interview him for a longer session about the real history of baseball.

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Danny Moe, Kailua, Hawaii (Oahu) — Tue, 15 Jul 2008 18:26:19 GMT

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Dave, Boston, MA — Tue, 15 Jul 2008 18:28:17 GMT

Let me get this straight. This guy, who comes from an age when half the players were drunks and/or criminals (do your homework folks - these guys weren't boyscouts) is complaining that hair is too long? Give me a break.

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Tim, Philadelphia — Tue, 15 Jul 2008 18:29:15 GMT

He looks great for 100, doesnt he? Sorry he still doesnt enjoy going to games though. Hair styles change but the game is still great. The guys who fought the Civil War and were a hundred when he played probably couldn't understand why they had short hair and no beards.

Mr Werber, go see a game and enjoy it!

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Joe Lane — Tue, 15 Jul 2008 18:30:38 GMT

Love the "They're a grubby-looking bunch of caterwaulers" comment! Can't blame Werber for not watching ball games. Besides the lack of personal hygiene, we've got arrogance, drugs, and all sorts of distractions in today's baseball.

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Jay, Twin Cities — Tue, 15 Jul 2008 18:36:27 GMT

GREAT STORY! Thanks for posting this, it's a nice addition to Ruth's and Gehrig's already rich legends.

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Ray Stefl, Denton, TX — Tue, 15 Jul 2008 18:39:14 GMT

What a great story! I could probably sit and listen to Bill talk about the "real players" all day. Today, we have a bunch of overpaid, selfish kids. Most of them don't care about winning or loyality. Just show them the money!

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Charles Stark, Westlake Village, CA — Tue, 15 Jul 2008 18:41:19 GMT

Thanks to men like Bill Werber, baseball has always been and will always be the greatest game ever played. Like JoeG, I wish the article were longer. I hope that Bill Werber lives a lot longer so that he can continue to provide a crisp focus on our, sometimes, fuzzy memories of the game we all love...baseball!

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Don Edwards, Sunriver, Oregon — Tue, 15 Jul 2008 18:41:21 GMT

Games were half as long because batters stayed in the batter's box instead of backing out after each pitch.... and pitchers pitched complete games instead of six innings, followed by four more pitching exchanges.

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All 5tar — Tue, 15 Jul 2008 18:43:14 GMT

I will always respect the old timers for their accomplishments in the sport of baseball, but why do they always have to bash the athletes of today because they're different from what they knew? The world changes, they know that and need to lay-off. Besides, Ruth wouldn't have came anywhere close to 714 if he was playing in these times! The athletes are far superior, just face it. Not to mention he didn't have to compete against blacks, hispanics and foreigners. That has never been taken into consideration.

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Bob, Chantilly VA — Tue, 15 Jul 2008 18:43:32 GMT

If you want a lot more Bill Werber, check out this recent story. This is great stuff!

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/06/16/AR2008061602183.html

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SueFrias, Lake Elsoinore, CA — Tue, 15 Jul 2008 18:47:11 GMT

What a wonderful article!Should be part of American folklore.The subject was great but the writer presented it beautifully.

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Tom P, Harwich Port, MA — Tue, 15 Jul 2008 18:48:21 GMT

Interesting what he says about Gehrig. We usually just see his farewell speech and nothing more.

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Anthony, Kenilworth, New Jersey — Tue, 15 Jul 2008 18:51:38 GMT

Ok, I'm not saying the players of today aren't "caterwaulers", but Mr. Werber says he hasn't watched a game in 5 years. How about 35 years ago, in the 70's? They were worse looking guys back then. Lots of long hair, afros, thick beards. I won't mention the uniforms since that seems be an era thing.

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George, Knoxville TN — Tue, 15 Jul 2008 18:51:57 GMT

JoeG you'll want to read "The Glory Of Their Times" by Lawrence Ritter. First hand accounts of the early days of baseball as told by the men who played it. Amazon.com or your local bookstore can provide it. Best baseball book ever written, in my opinion.

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Larry, Union KY — Tue, 15 Jul 2008 18:58:14 GMT

Wow...what a story. I wish more players today were like Mr. Werber. The world should treasure him, when he is gone so is a link to the past. Let's hope he is with us for a little while longer.

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Jamie H — Tue, 15 Jul 2008 19:02:30 GMT

What's the matter, Barry P? Do you realize he's talking about those scraggy Red Sox? I'd love to meet the guy & shake his hand.

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Steve B, Newport News, VA — Tue, 15 Jul 2008 19:09:56 GMT

there was scandals and everything back when he played. it just wasnt as widespread as now. they didnt have all the reporters and magazines we do. they especially didnt have the internet.

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David MacGuire, Berryville, VA — Tue, 15 Jul 2008 19:16:10 GMT

Bill Werber is a great roll model, even now. Most modern players refuse to accept that their behavior influences that of fans and only give you an autograph if you wave a twenty dollar bill in their face. He is right about the appearance and behavior. The Red Sox are especially bad examples. Beards and moustaches are one thing but they pay games looking like unshaven hoodlums and think nothing of performing lewdly suggestive dances while half-undressed. Not appropriate even now, when we have such dissapointingly low moral standards for public figures.

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Joe Reeves, Post Falls, ID — Tue, 15 Jul 2008 19:16:30 GMT

This is really terrific stuff. The link to the past is so timely with the "Old Ballpark", as Red Barber used to call it, also becoming history. I love what Hamilton did at the HR Derby but this stuff is priceless. I watched games there as well as the Polo Grounds and Ebbets Field, great memories. Thanks

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Brian Donohue, Brooklyn, NY — Tue, 15 Jul 2008 19:21:12 GMT

I wonder if this guy ever met an old has-been from the scientific rookie leagues named Al Einstein. One of the worst dressed, ill-kempt, pathetic fellows you'd want to meet. Still, he managed to set a few records of his own -- most of them far more important than the Babe's or anyone else's.

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AJ — Tue, 15 Jul 2008 19:25:10 GMT

This guy is right the players today allot of them are a bunch of slobs, take a look at the Red sox my hometown team a bunch of them look like slobs, they have no pride in the game just money and how much of a slob they look.

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Bob Bryant — Tue, 15 Jul 2008 19:28:58 GMT

Barry P.(MA), Dave(Boston), & All Star exhibited no
respect for Mr. Werber. Shame on you!

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steve beckman, jacksonville,fl — Tue, 15 Jul 2008 19:29:20 GMT

It is another of those back when stories where everything was peach. As someone said these old guys were no boy scouts. There is no comparison with respect to the level of talent. Present day players are any day far superior than oldies. Look at the competition. Look at ball parks.Look at the equipment.( Do not argue equipment helps but you have to have talent- See Tiger Woods and the rest of the crowd) To this day it is a mystery how could a player who won the championship with Red Sox as a pitcher comes to Yankees becomes a Home Run king. Obviously, the ball parks were smaller, opposing teams pitching dismal. I am talking about Babe Ruth who was larger than life in an era there was nothing much to do.We can all talk about the bygone era nostalgically but we here and now let us enjoy what the grubby-looking bunch of caterwaulers bring us in the world of base ball.

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dave crabtree columbus, oh — Tue, 15 Jul 2008 19:30:05 GMT

I'm with Bill. I grew up in the '60's and '70's so I'm not quite as old as he, but I too think the players look bad. Isn't there a rule about uniforms and that socks must be worn in a certain manner? Why do nearly all the players wear their pants all bunched up at the ankle. As in modern (college) basketball, players are wearing big, baggy pants and shorts. don'they know that this slows you down? say what you may about some of those awful double knits of the "70's but it helped Ricky Henderson steal alot of bases by not being slowed down by long, baggy pants. Today most athletes are slaves to image and wanting to look cool. They look like they're wearing uni's from a thrift store.

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BOB HOFFMAN - CULVER, INDIANA — Tue, 15 Jul 2008 19:37:34 GMT

A GOOD FRIEND OF MINE IS A FORMER PRO BASEBALL PLAYER
FROM THE EARLY FIFTIES.
HE MET BILL WERBER ONCE AND KNEW OF HIS ACCOMPLISHMENTS AS A BALL PLAYER.
I'M SENDING THIS ARTICLE TO HIM. THANKS

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Pam S. in Ohio — Tue, 15 Jul 2008 19:42:34 GMT

To Barry P. and Dave in Boston... get over yourselves and acknowledge this 100-year-olds story for what it is, a colorful look back to a time that you didn't live in. He doesn't harm you with his memories or his observations of the game today, yet you find that you must denegrate him somehow to show that you are better than he is. You should be so lucky to live to be 100 and have your faculties about yourself; why not enjoy and respect his story as something you would not hear from any person on the street today. The world just gets more mean and hateful because of people like you who must find something negative in the most beautiful things of life. Get over your bad self.

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Big G, Easton, PA — Tue, 15 Jul 2008 20:11:25 GMT

I love how people love to run down the accomplishments of Ruth because he never had the opportunity to play against non-white players. Talent is talent and Ruth would have been great in any age against any competition. As for ballparks, why don't you compare the dimensions of the old Yankee Stadium to those of the current one? As for personalities, go ask Barry Bonds for his autograph and see what you get.

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Bill, Ingleside, TX — Tue, 15 Jul 2008 20:28:05 GMT

Pam S. in Ohio;
Thank you for your comments. You echo my sentiments exactly.
Bill M.

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Karen Cummings, Boston, Mass. — Tue, 15 Jul 2008 20:30:15 GMT

This guy should be throwing out the first pitch at tonight's game! What a neat story -- but didn't the oldtime players have mustaches, even handlebar ones, back then?

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Layla, SC — Tue, 15 Jul 2008 20:38:52 GMT

I'm not sure if we can say today's players are "far superior." Remember, Babe and Hank set records a long time ago without the help of steroids or other drugs.

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Ann Buckwald — Tue, 15 Jul 2008 21:12:59 GMT

Whether you agree or disagree with Mr. Werber's comments, you have to admit 1) he was honest and open and 2) it was fun to read - not the case with too many sports stories today. I grew up loving the Yankees as a kid, even though I lived in "Cardinal Country." Mantle, Maris, and Ford were my favorites, and I pretended to be one of them every time my brothers, cousins and I, and our ghost players (imaginary fielders or runners required to round out a full team) took the field (our front yard).

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Sidd Jones — Tue, 15 Jul 2008 21:27:29 GMT

This article was so enjoyable. I want to hear more about this man and his priceless memories.
Baseball has also lost its magic for me, and I don't watch any more either. It's a different game now.

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CFM Chicago, Illinois — Tue, 15 Jul 2008 21:31:39 GMT

Kind of shocking. Always admired both players, never heard anything bad about either one. Gehrig was always an inspirational figure. Ruth was Mr. Baseball.
As for today's players times have changed not only for ballplayers but for all areas of work. Construction is safer, better medicine, more money.
Todays players act just like they should and the players of before acted they way their times dictated. I always had respect for my elders and will not say anything bad against this man. Times were different and tough in different ways but all times have their problems.
Just that the culture of society has changed and the ball players reflect it because the are in the public view.

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Bill Golas, Las vegas, NV — Tue, 15 Jul 2008 21:45:15 GMT

You can't help but note that the bulk of the comments here are appreciative of the insight that Bill Werber has given on baseball history. You just don't get that out of books. And to the small percentage of pessimistic (emphasis on the word small) clowns, I would simply cite the old cliche that goes "If ya can't say something nice, why don't ya just keep your big yap shut".

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Bill Golas, Las vegas, NV — Tue, 15 Jul 2008 21:45:57 GMT

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Dick W., Menomonee Falls, WI — Tue, 15 Jul 2008 21:54:04 GMT

Great Memories, and good to hear from someone like Bill, who actually rubbed elbows with the Babe, Lou Gehrig, and many more from a past era. I grew up in the 50's & 60's, and believe baseball then was much similar to the way it was in the 20's & 30's than it is now. Most players back then had 2nd jobs to support themselves in the off-season. I don't think the appearance is that big a thing, however. I think Bill may have forgotten some of the players who had facial hair that looked grubby, and players who drank excessively as well as played ball. It's interesting to hear about Lou from a different point of view.

Thanks.

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Scott, Boston, Ma — Tue, 15 Jul 2008 22:33:03 GMT

Mr Werber is a class act. Sure they weren't saints back then but they didn't act like a bunch of gangbangers like the players do today with their jewelery, tatoos and big mouths. Even though I'm from New England, I can assure you Boston fans have no class, never did and never will. It's one of the rudest cities on the planet.
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Butch — Tue, 15 Jul 2008 22:33:47 GMT

Back then it was a sport they played for the love of the game. Today it's a business and all about money. There isn't any team pride. It's all about me. Look at the players who DID NOT compete in the homerun derby last night. No, baseball isn't what it use to be and times do change. It's too much of a business for me to enjoy and since the strike I haven't followed it.

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Butch — Tue, 15 Jul 2008 22:54:04 GMT

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Brian, Lander, Wyoming — Tue, 15 Jul 2008 22:55:18 GMT

I bet ol' Mr. Werber quit watching this grand game about the time Barry "I cheat to compete" Bonds disgraced the game with his "ingrate" attitude and cheated baseball's Hero, Icon, and Legend - not to mention every kid, fan, and all who's lives have been touched by baseball and it's legends and pioneers.

If a person stops for a moment to "honestly" evaluate, not only baseball, but all great sports played in this country, it becomes very evident that Personalities are taking over our beloved sports and are rapidly changing the landscape of these games, and usually not in a good way. People like Bill Werber are the last true few Ambassadors of our sports. Sure, we have our heros, but there are fewer and less noticables Gaurdians of our games. An athlete cannot proclaim themselves heros or favorites, let alone legends. This notion is not only preposterous it is almost disgusting. They first, and foremost, lack the essential requirement of any great athlete. HUMILITY. Why can't these players undertand that the only edge you need is HEART. People despise cheaters because when someone cheats they have stolen the very essence from the game which robs everyone of it's innocence and spirit. Why don't they see that for every selfish, self-motivated thing they try to squeeze from the game they rob the game, the fans, and themselves of the Grace of the game. They don't seem to understand that you can't fake your way into Grace by trying to steal all the glory for yourself. Grace is free to all who love the game. And Grace is MOST abundant in those who just play for the love of the game and insist on giving all ALL that they find to all who are willing to recieve it!

And, last, only the smallest part of greatness is ability. We are inspired by the man, or woman, not so much the talent.

FANS, we have the responsibility to OUR game that we apreciate all that adds the glory of this game. We are true ambassadors for this game. We are the face of baseball...hockey, football, basketball, etc. We are the ones responsible for the state of our sport, not unlike our children, etc. that are reflections of us, so are our sports reflections of our whole fan base. OR, maybe we are looking forward to Gladiator Baseball or witnessing a new bigger, faster type of new "Roid-Ball" where the average life-span of the players is 23. But, I think we like our sports the way they are, minus the drugs and bozos.

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Bill Waters — Tue, 15 Jul 2008 22:56:31 GMT

I agree with Mr. Werber except for a different reason. The "uniform" is anything but uniform. Long pants - short pants, and the caps! I believe it was made to be worn with the bill centered on the front of the head. Some of these guys look like they belong in the circus. I don't care where you come from, it's a uniform.

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Kelly C — Tue, 15 Jul 2008 23:01:54 GMT

Is there a way to block comments from Barry P, Worcester MA so I do not have to read his imbicilic comments?

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Pam W., Junction City, KS — Tue, 15 Jul 2008 23:05:56 GMT

Pam S. in Ohio:
Thank you for putting my thoughts into words! I totally concur with every thing you said! This world could use a lot more people like you: positive and willing to speak out against the negativity! Again, thank you!

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Jenny, Cranford NJ — Tue, 15 Jul 2008 23:09:10 GMT

Typical that the negative comments come from the folks up in Boston, further showing their complete lack of class or true appreciation for the game. Just like their team, who exhibit no sportsmanship, especially Papelbom, the epitome of a caterwauler.

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Dominick, Chicago — Tue, 15 Jul 2008 23:12:29 GMT

Steve B. and all the naysayers, to say say The Babe would have less home runs and wouldn't have done as well...please, older fields were bigger, not smaller; Babe would have had more by today's standards; the calculations have been done - in one season alone he would have over a hundred. To say pitchers were not as good...uh huh, they call it The CY Young Award for a reason and try that one with Bob Feller. Don't forget Ty Cobb; I guess .367 is nothing much to do. Before Babe, who was the home run king?...I'll give you a hint...there wasn't. Sports are a science today, back then it was talent - with beer and hot dogs, blood & guts, - do I dare say Barry B. It's 70 or 80+ years later and Babe & Ty have stats that still stand and some took decades to fall from the top (and they played less games per season) mind you. If today's players are far superior why can't they beat the records of the real iron men of the 'bygone era'. Everybody likes to compare, its the nature of things; but to denigrate their accomplishments shows only that you have no respect for the history of this sport. These names stand the test of time for a reason; It has to do with talent, not when they played.

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Dick Maag, Pinehurst, NC — Tue, 15 Jul 2008 23:28:13 GMT

Had the privilege of meeting Bill last summer and had lunch twice with him at his nice continuing care facility. Had about 5 hours of his stories. Many were about his days at Duke University where he was Duke's first all-american basketball player. One of his basketball team mates was my neighbor aboout a dozen years ago. He enjoyed telling me stories about Bill and Bill told some good ones about my ex-neighbor. Also had a Werber baseball card when I was a kid in the 30's and early 40's, Baseball was really great in those days.

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Bill Immell, Dublin, Ohio — Tue, 15 Jul 2008 23:35:02 GMT

When I was a boy, I listened to Waite Hoyt, then the announcer for the Reds, talk about the same era, of Ruth and Gerhig and the rest rest of the storied Yankees of the 1930's qnd 40's. It was a different era, a more innocent time. It waa a happy memory. We even respected our president, whether we were Democrats or Republicans. But then we loved and knew our baseball teams. Today we don't even recognize the lineups from week to week. Sadly, the game has chanced.

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Petey Richards Upper Darby, Pa. — Tue, 15 Jul 2008 23:37:32 GMT

Say what you want about Mr. Werber and the Babe, but they were not arrogant, money chasing jerks who would leave thier clubs and fans behind for a few bucks more next season.Let's see how many of your hometown heros are still playing for your team 2 years from now.

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Reverend Mickey, Somewhere, MA — Tue, 15 Jul 2008 23:58:19 GMT

Hang on...this is "Babe Ruth" we're talking about here, right? Because last I knew, in addition to being the best ever, the guy was also a fat slob. And that was when he was sober. So don't get all weepy on me about "the good old days". Though I must say, first hand stories about the Gods of the game really can't be beat.

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Charles, Littleton, Colo — Wed, 16 Jul 2008 00:02:06 GMT

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Charles, Liitleton, Colo — Wed, 16 Jul 2008 00:14:32 GMT

I really enjoyed Mr. Werbers comments, I agree and disagree though,
In an era of Babe baseball, the players were drunk everynight, smoking who knows what and using whatever kinds of drugs they could find, sleeping with women that weren't their wives, I'm not saying all of them, but from what I've read through the years this is mostly true.
It doesn't differ much from today except your not going to get away with the drugs now. Most players I watch today dress well on the field, and hey, whats wrong with long hair and facial hair?
I had no idea that Gehrig wasn't more of a nicer guy(sad), but who knows, maybe he wasn't feeling well even a couple years before his death? I have a lot of respect for most players in all sports today and the past, its just sad when you have to deal with the Bonds's, Clemens, Adam Jones, the wife beaters, the drunk drivers, drug users, womanizers and liars, best of luck to you Mr. Werber!

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Gary C. — Wed, 16 Jul 2008 00:20:12 GMT

To Barry P, when your older days roll around I hope you are shown as much disrespect as you have shown here. This was a great article.

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ivan phoenix ,az. — Wed, 16 Jul 2008 00:42:52 GMT

remember this.....when the "ball" was not "live" ruth hit 60 in 27....more then the whole leauge...and against great pitching...from a mound that was 12" high not 9" like it is now.....and he no doubt could give the little nippon a challange in hot dog eating.

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JBRD, Wilson, NC — Wed, 16 Jul 2008 00:48:46 GMT

SUre is a shame how people keep comparing today to the past... Get over yourselves.... You think Ruth couldn'tdo the things today he did then? BOnds couldn't do what he did if it hadn't been for steroids (take that, morons) Ruth also swung with his arms, not his wrists like everyone today ... imagine the power he had to arm swing his homeruns....and further than Bonds. As far as comparing the lifestyles of players, not just MLB, seems to me that all walks of life today, all have those same detriments (money-grubbing, drinking, drugs, cheating, carousing, infidelity, etc.) THe recollections may be great, but you can't compare era to era.

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Steve, Phoenix AZ — Wed, 16 Jul 2008 00:57:18 GMT

Barry P,

I trust we can expect something equally inane from you when you reach 80.

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Ruth Fichter Oak Park, MI — Wed, 16 Jul 2008 01:07:32 GMT

I wonder what he has to say about the systematic racism of his era?

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Annie, St. Louis, MO — Wed, 16 Jul 2008 01:08:36 GMT

Anthony of New Jersey, I agree with you that it seems Werber might be either A) Confused about the last time he did actually watch a game or B) Forgot about, or missed the 70s...Players looking sloppy, sporting scruffy beards and wearing their hair too long now??? With the exception of a few dudes, players these days are way more clean cut them some of the sasquatches you would see playing ball in the 70s and early 80s. The uniforms are a different matter - he didn't seem to comment on them. Honestly, the look of the players doesn't concern me so much as the problem of steriods, the incredible shrinking ballparks, the high price of food and beer and the outrageous salaries of these guys. The most enlightening thing Werber mentions is that he made more money - according to him - than even the Babe himself - after he left baseball to sell insurance. I wonder how much Babe Ruth would make today? Cool article.

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Missing the old days, Wilmington, NC — Wed, 16 Jul 2008 01:44:59 GMT

Hey
When Barry P. and Dave in Boston get to be 100, then maybe someone will care what they think. I hope baseball is even around. Today players are all about the money. They don't have the heart the old guys had.

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M.J., Redmond, WA — Wed, 16 Jul 2008 02:34:22 GMT

100 years old and still sharp as a tack. Of course his opinions will reflect his generation, and if you are one who negatively reacted to those opinions, why don't you ask your own grandparents or great-grandparents how they feel. Men used to wear suits to ball games; women in dresses. Ball players had class, then and now. Yes, there are a handful who behave a little less civilized than they should, but that's hardly all in the world of baseball. Just the fact that Mr. Werber can relate the stories that he has should be remarkable in itself. Who cares what his opinions are? We should all be so lucky to be able to share stories from our youth at 100 years of age, and share them as if they just happened yesterday. And the fact that he and Ruth and Gehrig didn't play against players of other races is hardly worth mentioning. A good athlete is a good athlete.

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Marty, Seattle — Wed, 16 Jul 2008 02:46:27 GMT

Last year during a game in Seattle, a group of young people stood up in the stands between innings holding a sign saying, "Happy 100th Birthday, Grandma!" When they realized they were being shown on the big screen, they began pointing to a woman sitting with them. Their 100-year-old grandmother had joined them at the game. And when the crowd began to realize she was there, every person in the stadium stood up and gave her an ovation that would bring tears to your eyes. The cameras stayed on her as she stood up and waved to everyone, and even some of the players came out of the dugout and joined in the cheering. I don't care who you are, 100 years old with all the history you would have lived through, if you have memories like Mr. Werber, no one should be trying to reduce them to rubble (Barry P in Worcester, grow up... you will be looking for those early bird specials yourself one day)

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Frank Sontag — Wed, 16 Jul 2008 03:37:42 GMT

Great story! We should all admire and respect our elders they can teach us a lot about a time when things were a lot better than they are now.

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Kathi, South Mills, NC — Wed, 16 Jul 2008 03:44:41 GMT

Some of the superior talent of todays era are in question, due to enhancement drugs. Babe Ruth was able to play superiorly with his drinking problem. I do not condone that type of behavior, but he definitely deserves all the hoopla he has been given. That goes for all the records of all the old timers. This guy desreves credit for living to 100 and being able to recall such wonderful memories. Hey, Gehrig was hot!!!

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Mesa, Arizona — Wed, 16 Jul 2008 04:39:30 GMT

I love to hear old-timers talking about their experiences, and I respect their contributions; but that doesn't mean I agree with everything they say. Ruth may have signed autographs and been nice to the kids, but he was also a heavy drinker and exhibited plenty of bad habits. There was bad behavior then, just as there is now, you just didn't hear about it as much. Some of the players may have been better then, but there are a lot of tremendous athletes in the game now, and I don't think this 'old-timer' necessarily has the right to belittle any of them.

I don't have a problem with facial hair or long hair. I don't expect all the players to conform to some arbitrary standard of grooming or behavior. I actually like the so-called 'unkempt' appearance of some of them.

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martin marin,rialto,california — Wed, 16 Jul 2008 06:56:48 GMT

The game that Bill and the Babe was different.But when they played baseball;they love the game.Not the money these players are getting today before they get on the field.These players played in conditions these players won't even have the guts to play in.When you love the sport you play in whether it's baseball or any other team sport;you play beacause you love it.Not the money your going to get before you get on the field.These players have to remember;the old players played this sport in these conditions to keep it going.If it wasn't for these old ball players playing back then to keep it going;these players today would be doing something else today.

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Small B , Dallas, TX — Wed, 16 Jul 2008 07:04:50 GMT

For every Barry Bonds we have a Gehrig. Whatever their personalities you should not take away their talents nor the greatness they represent in their field. In this 24x7 cable/internet world Bonds received more flak than he deserves. I think he was best player MLB ever had bar none.

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Wed, 16 Jul 2008 07:24:53 GMT

Give it up Pam S: Barry P. and Dave in Boston are just two more moron 'caterwauls' that are probably waiting for their disability checks to arrive so they can go buy drugs. Maybe the same bus will run over both of them.

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JD, Seattle, WA — Wed, 16 Jul 2008 09:44:10 GMT

Great article!

What a wonderful and fascinating insight into some of the history of baseball!

Regarding the dimensions of Yankee Stadium, it was considerably longer when Babe Ruth and Bill Werber were playing than it is today--noting in particular that Babe Ruth not only hit homeruns but also hit them outside of the stadium into the parking lot or whatever was in that direction:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yankee_Stadium

Today, the playing fields are smaller, which appears to make all the players look better than they actually are, which mostly is a matter of marketing that is effective when people base their judgments on beliefs rather than facts. Another important distinction is that modern baseballs tend to hit themselves without requiring so much skill on the part of players, leading one to suggest based on the laws of physics that if Ruth and Werber had been playing with the modern equipment of today, they would have been required to be certified as satellite launching devices by Aeronautics Branch of the Department of Commerce, since the FAA and NASA had not been created yet . . .

Thanks!

JD

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Roger M. Cramer Kill Devil Hills, NC — Wed, 16 Jul 2008 10:29:23 GMT

Bill Werber is a national treasure of a bygone era. I'd love to hear more from him and those few like him.

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Sean S. Orlando, FL — Wed, 16 Jul 2008 11:41:02 GMT

I think that most people who read stories of bygone eras, whichever they may be (science, sports, military) tend to put their own spin on that which they do not understand. The reason that millions of people come to this country every year, is that the United States, with all its problems, is still the best place in the world to live. You can write down opinions without fear of reprisal, and voice opinions on issues that you may, or may not, have any real knowledge of.

When someone considerably older than I begins waxing reminiscent on any subject, whether I feel they are right or wrong, I have to keep in mind one thing; they are experts on the subject not I. I can read books, watch TV shows, surf the net, but the information that I glean from those sources, pales in comparison to those who lived it. Again, we all have our own opinions; which we are entitled to. I was born in 1970, and am still very young compared to Mr. Werber, but as stated above in other comments, we should not impugn those who came before us.

Everything is different than it was 70 years ago. To say that the players of “back then” would not stand up to those today, is like saying that a model T would not have any chance against a Ferrari. Although you would be correct, making the comparison is really a rather strange thing say. We know so much more about sports medicine, weight training, and the human body today than they did “back then”.

I think most people forget that the only reason we have the teams that we have today, is because of pioneers like all Ruth, Brock, Irvin, Gehrig, Werber, Fingers, Gwynne, and everyone else who ever touched a child’s mind, or opened a door to a new era. A-Rod will never be looked upon as a pioneer, but that does not diminish his accomplishments. Let’s look at Mr. Werber’s story for what it really is; a reminiscent look into a lost era. I can not really blame Mr. Werber for thinking of the past in such a way. I still look back to the September 10, 2001, and remember what my life was.

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Dan, Madison, Wis. — Wed, 16 Jul 2008 16:27:30 GMT

"when games were half as long and twice as fun."

Please spare me the BS nostalgia editorializing, Rutherford.

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Tom Zanette, West Chester, Pa 19380 — Wed, 16 Jul 2008 17:47:20 GMT

How can I get in touch with this man? I would love to talk with him about those days and the people who played in that time.

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Tom Zanette, West Chester, Pa 19380 — Wed, 16 Jul 2008 17:48:15 GMT

how can i get in touch with this man? I would like to talk with him about those days that he played in...

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Bobby in Houston — Wed, 16 Jul 2008 18:34:32 GMT

A privilege to have read that. Smiles all around.

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Mike, Brooklyn — Wed, 16 Jul 2008 21:08:29 GMT

This article was truly enjoyable. Interesting to see that he actually verified things that I had heard about Gehrig (According to an article I read once, he was also an incredible miser).

The comments, however, are truly laughable. For every person praising the article, there's a person using it to take shots as current players sense of style (Judge tattoos all you want, but all the tilted caps in the world don't diminish the amount of training these guys do), and then there's another person claiming the older players would be useless today.

The point is that it's different. Players today put in more time and effort, most of them have basically been bread to be professional athletes, and they are subject to the 24/7 sports media. You'll have to excuse them for being a bit out of touch at time. And in the old days, guys weren't about the money because there was no money. I'm sure there were plenty of men in the country who would've been better ball players than the ones out there, but didn't do it because they got higher paying jobs. The balls were dead, but the pitchers were worse. Things change. Maybe the best players aren't better or worse, but the average player now is much better than the average player then. That's progress, and the old timers are the reason it is that way now.

So old timers, stop ragging on the new players. There's no such thing as the good old days, and people don't have to dress like you to play hard. And young folks, stop ragging on the old players. You never even saw them, and you have them to thank for the baseball you love now.

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John Doe, Seattle, Wash. — Wed, 16 Jul 2008 22:07:14 GMT

You missed his greatest story about Lefty Grove. (Paraphrasing from the WaPo article.) A scout comes down to backwoods Georgia to find Grove and sees him strolling out of the woods with rabbit pelts tied to his belt. The scout asks him where's his gun and Grove replies he doesn't use one. Grove picks up a rock with his right-hand, points to a leaf 50 feet away and nails it. Scout is in awe, but says "Wait a minute, I thought you were a lefty." Grove's reply? "I am, but whenever I hit the rabbits throwing lefty it tears up the meat inside."

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JB, Washington, DC — Thu, 17 Jul 2008 02:36:02 GMT

He published a very entertaining book around 2001 co authored by Paul Rogers. "Memories of a Ballplayer" Available at Amazon etc. Very good stories. He donated many books to the military and VA system.

He was also close personal friends with JW Marriott and encouraged him around 1950 NOT to go into the hotel business, "it's a seedy lot". At his 100 yr birthday party, Bill Marriott said, "as we head into this recession, he may have been right!"

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Jack, Chicago, IL — Sat, 19 Jul 2008 15:26:09 GMT

Kelly C, I am with you, Barry P, Worcester is a person who should just take a nice long swim underwater and not come back up.

perhaps he's got nothing good to say about anyone but himself? From what I've read he's written, I would not assume I'd be wrong in thinking he would be the only person saying something nice about himself anyway...

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Anthony Mosich — Sun, 20 Jul 2008 02:16:09 GMT

figures there are a bunch of manny lovers from boston here...the home of this country's most classless/obnoxious fans....18 and 1 sums it up pretty well. A recent poll confirmed that every state of the union named Boston/Mass as having this country's most despised fans...just gotta laugh...you folks deserve Manny being Manny...looked like he was trying to sit on the baseball he flubbed in the outfield yesterday....guess he laid a big egg he figured he might as well incubate it!!!...LOL!

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Paul, Pearland, TX — Mon, 21 Jul 2008 06:36:40 GMT

History coming from first hand accounts is always the best. I wish we had more stories like this

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bill, providence, ri — Wed, 23 Jul 2008 10:39:33 GMT

so he didnt have a problem with the ballplayers apparences back in say the 70s? with beards and long hair and sideburns down the cheek and afros out to here?