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milwaukee, wisconsin — Wed, 24 Oct 2007 20:37:35 GMT

I just have to say as someone not affected by either this situation or Katrina, this honestly makes me sick. To know that the people in New Orleans had no food, water, anything really, and now the people of (big surprise) souther California are given accupuncture and yoga. I am in no way saying that the people of California do not deserve this, they do, it is just that it really does paint a clear picture about our government and the priorities that they have.

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M. Ward, Sacramento, CA — Wed, 24 Oct 2007 20:41:01 GMT

This story isn't the norm of what is really happening. This is a heart breaking disaster that nobody should make light of. Maybe Mark Savdige should stop and listen to the real stories and think twice before spreading the same old misleading stories about California and the people who live here. Now is not the time to make fun of anyone.

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Dick, Albuquerque, New Mexico — Wed, 24 Oct 2007 20:44:59 GMT

I hope these fire evacuees can continue to find the strength to cope. Having to get a massage outside of a stadium in a parking lot is just downright medieval.

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Los Angeles California — Wed, 24 Oct 2007 20:46:33 GMT

I think in light of all of the losses, this is great, and something that any evacuee deserves. This is why WE LOVE CALI!!

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Chilton Burr, Johnstown, PA — Wed, 24 Oct 2007 20:47:24 GMT

A bit of a contrast to the response to Katrina...wonder if race/social standing has anything to do with it?

I can't remember hearing/reading about any insurance trailer motor homes even being present after Katrina, let alone grilling burgers for evacuees.

This really comes as a shock bc I thought they and the federal gov't would wait 5 days or more before responding or seeing the disaster; after all, this was the precedent set not so long ago in New Orleans wasn't it?

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josh foxbelder — Wed, 24 Oct 2007 20:51:00 GMT

it's a sad tale indeed

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Chelsa, Southaven, MS — Wed, 24 Oct 2007 20:58:05 GMT

Sounds so much like New Orleans a couple of years ago... There is still such a difference in the lives of the haves and the have nots.

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J Carroll — Wed, 24 Oct 2007 20:58:13 GMT

At this point in time, these luxuries are provided by other Californians; they are like-minded and, tho trivial to some, any comfort that can be given to people who have endured such tradedy is a blessing and welcome. The shame is that Katrina victims were treated so badly by so many - in particular this GD Bush circus.

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Tony Stillions, Cedar Rapids, IA — Wed, 24 Oct 2007 20:58:24 GMT

sigh, if only the katrina folks had it this good..or half this good

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Jessica, New York, NY — Wed, 24 Oct 2007 21:00:44 GMT

As a native San Diegan who now lives in New York City, it saddens me that instead of being praised for their camaraderie, Southern Californians are almost being mocked for the "lavish" services they are receiving in a time of utter fear, worry, and anxiety that they are all experiencing. Instead of poking fun at Southern California cliches, why not praise a city for coming together like San Diego has? San Diego has truly shined as America's Finest City this week.

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leah — Wed, 24 Oct 2007 21:01:13 GMT

That poor dog looks like he is hot with all that leather on...that's not cute....what were they thinking???...give that dog a bowl of water to drink.

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Andrea — Wed, 24 Oct 2007 21:05:20 GMT

I LOVE CALIFORNIA!!!!!

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LA Escapee, Austin, TX — Wed, 24 Oct 2007 21:07:28 GMT

What a difference from Katrina, where were all those caring folks while people were starving in the Superdome?

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Pam Franzen — Wed, 24 Oct 2007 21:09:24 GMT

What a snotty headline and story. Have some compassion.

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Stephanie Umbro, Maine — Wed, 24 Oct 2007 21:12:38 GMT

Yes I love your title, Martin. Only in California.... but you can't pass up the photo of the pug. I'm not a fan of dressing up animals, but you gotta admit, a sight of him at an evacuation site would make me smile & lift my spirits!

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Bobbi, Seattle — Wed, 24 Oct 2007 21:14:38 GMT

Gotta love this story. So Cal sets a new standard for disaster evacuation sites.

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Joe, Lowell, MA — Wed, 24 Oct 2007 21:18:31 GMT

Almost makes me want to quit my day job and become a SoCal evacuee.

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Paul Ostis — Wed, 24 Oct 2007 21:19:04 GMT

We Americans know how to suffer!!

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Dartelle M. Dodge, Newport NH. — Wed, 24 Oct 2007 21:20:27 GMT

Great to hear some good news about the disaster, if there is such a thing. Usually all that we hear is complaints and fault finding. And usually not even from the people involved. Good work! But then it is California.

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Absolutely Stupified — Wed, 24 Oct 2007 21:23:23 GMT

One more reason I don't live in California. The place is burning up and they're having a 'happening'. Now, mind you, I don't think they need to stand around and be miserable, but this is a little over the top.

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Jeremy, Baton Rouge, LA — Wed, 24 Oct 2007 21:28:40 GMT

What a contrast to Louisiana and the complete lack of a cohesive response or adequate preparation by local, parish, and state leaders. This makes Gov. Blanco, Ray Nagin, and parish authorities look ten times worse. Is there any wonder Louisiana is 49/50 in most meaningful statistics? Incompetent leaders come from incompetent citizens.

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Rosemary J, Oklahoma City — Wed, 24 Oct 2007 21:29:25 GMT

It breaks my heart to see firefighters with their heads proped up on a curb so that they can get some much needed and deserved rest. I'm in full sympathy and compassion for all of those who have had to leave their homes and those that have lost homes, pets etc. but can't we take better care of our caregivers who are working on the front lines?

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Mike New York NY — Wed, 24 Oct 2007 21:29:38 GMT

Hey, nobody produces a better NUT than California!

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Sally Lindber, Tucson AZ — Wed, 24 Oct 2007 21:36:28 GMT

That is just too cool! What a difference between the fire conflagration response and Katrina! Either we have learned a lot from Katrina or California is still the greatest "people place" in the world! Thanks for a positive article.

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Susan B., Covington, LA — Wed, 24 Oct 2007 21:37:22 GMT

well thats just great! we had to wait in line every day just for mre's and ice when katrina came through. looks like fema has really stepped it up for our counterparts out in Cali! Heaven forbid they should miss a yoga class.

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Ann, Baton Rouge, LA — Wed, 24 Oct 2007 21:39:22 GMT

It sounds more like a festival. But why not? They aren't surrounded by 12-14 feet of filthy water with floating bodies in the sweltering heat in a building that has no electricity, toilets backed up because they can't be flushed because there is no water, no drinking water, no food and no way to get out, no where to go if even if they could get out, because for miles all you can see is water and a dead city and seemingly no one trying to help them. And if when the SOCAL evacuees return home and find everything in ashes at least they probably won't find a skeleton in the ruins.
I very much applaud SOCAL's emergency response. It seems they are doing a great job and my prayers are with the firefighters that they be kept safe. And it sounds like neighbors are taking care of each other as volunteers, temporary housing, etc. Good for them! I think the entire nation learned a sad but valuable lesson from Katrina and it is heartening to know that maybe no one has to go through that again because of future preparedness and a plan. A plan that SOCAL put into place pretty quickly and efficently. Hang in there people, it sounds like you are in good hands. God Bless all of you.

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Randy Digiovanni, Groves, Texas — Wed, 24 Oct 2007 21:40:41 GMT

I don't think you understand that during a hurricane we have no utilities. Any shelter available is just that. A roof over your head. No water or electricity. The high humidity and mosquitoes ravage you. Qualcomm and the Superdome cannot be compared.

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ruby austin, tx — Wed, 24 Oct 2007 21:48:43 GMT

The anti-New Orleans experience, of course. Natural disasters always hit the poorest communities in ways that the wealthy will never have to deal with. Don't get me wrong-- I am glad to hear the folks of S. California are comfortable, safe, and cared for; it's just amazing that the residents of New Orleans were expected to suffer in ways so much greater. And how quickly Bush came to the call of the rich white folks...

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Lisa Butler, Austin TX — Wed, 24 Oct 2007 21:53:07 GMT

Nope - this doesn't sound like the victims of Katrina at all. Comparisons between the two would be foolish. The photo of the pug on the Harley was cute, though.

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Amanda Portland, OR — Wed, 24 Oct 2007 21:58:11 GMT

How things have changed since Katrina....

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Wed, 24 Oct 2007 21:59:29 GMT

Quite the contrast to the Katrina Victims' Stadium experience. I both equally love and hate this country for so many reasons.

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Chris, CA — Wed, 24 Oct 2007 22:03:18 GMT

I just wonder how some people will spin this. We could say "Lessons learned from Katrina", but there are those that will say "This is because it's San Diego and full of rich, white people."

I, personally think it could possibly be a combination of both, i'm sad to say. But if part of this is due to improved procedures due to Katrina, i'll take what I can get.

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Mary B., Boston, MA — Wed, 24 Oct 2007 22:06:33 GMT

Don't know who's offering the massage, acupuncture, kosher food, etc., but can't help but notice the difference between what's available for victims of the fire and what was available for the Gulf Coast and New Orleans Katrina victims. I certainly don't begrudge the Californians the free services available to them -- it is devasting to lose all whether from fire, flood, or any other natural disaster, and any victims deserve our support and prayers. And what do you want to bet that CA insurers will settle up more easily than did the ones in the Gulf Coast, even though threat of wildfires in the afflicted area is well-known and has happened before? Hopefully the lessons learned from the handling of the Katrina disaster will positively impact handling the CA disaster, and that's a good thing. But if I was a Katrina victim at this point, particularly one whose neighborhood has yet to be rebuilt or is still fighting an insurance claim, I would probably feel miserable all over again. My thoughts and heartfelt prayers go out to the CA fire victims but also, again, to the Katrina victims.

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steve rogers, still burning in san diego, ca — Wed, 24 Oct 2007 22:15:12 GMT

Dude it's San Diego, where we do "disaster evacuations" with fun and style; excuse me but I've got to get my face painted.

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Buzz Sparks, Texas — Wed, 24 Oct 2007 22:16:28 GMT

Only in California

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Brenda Grace San Antonio Texas — Wed, 24 Oct 2007 22:25:53 GMT

I know I am not the first to bring this up, but the reason California evacuation is doing so well is these people have MONEY!!! I'm sure if the people in New Orleans had money they would have never ended up in the Super Dome. I do feel bad for the people who don't have money and have lost everything, but for the rich I'll save my sympathy & tears for a real tragedy.

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J.Deller, Orlando, FL — Wed, 24 Oct 2007 22:26:43 GMT

Acupuncture and meditation at a disaster shelter? SoCal natives have mad cultural skills. Lets hope they've got some good masonary and carpentry skills too.

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Andrew, Independence, MO — Wed, 24 Oct 2007 22:27:02 GMT

I wonder why this level of service and comfort was not given to those who were trapped in the Superdome.

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tm, seattle wa — Wed, 24 Oct 2007 22:30:51 GMT

Wow. A natural disaster happens to a bunch of rich white people and things sure are different than when it happens to poor african americans. Great Country!
California Vs. New Orleans

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Chris O., San Diego, Ca — Wed, 24 Oct 2007 22:39:57 GMT

I live within eyesight of the stadium (crossing Fenton Parkway and Friars). Sounds the the stadium is the place to be, maybe I should bring my kids there for some free entertainment?

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Susan, Seattle WA — Wed, 24 Oct 2007 22:41:19 GMT

Wow. I wonder what the folks in New Orleans think of this? Staggering the difference in treatment from one disaster to another.

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Mike Brooks, Eugene, OR — Wed, 24 Oct 2007 22:44:18 GMT

It all sounds very cute, but I can't get over the idea that the homes that burnt down were million dollar home, the people well off or filth rich, right dead center in the middle of Republican country! Contrast this with the poor black people made homeless because of Kartrina. I may be cynical, but those poor black Democrats still are waiting for relief. Keep an eye on what AllState and the other insurance companies do in CA? I bet they wont be allowed to dodge out on claims there!

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Melanie L, NJ — Wed, 24 Oct 2007 22:45:52 GMT

I love California. It has a little bit of everything. Mudslides, floods, fires, earthquakes, you name it. And yet, it's a beautiful state and I can see why people would live there despite the risks. I live on the East Coast, and have gone to CA for vacation as much as I've gone to FL. I know CA will bounce back. The Governator has done an amazing job. If he had been in Louisiana during Katrina, the story would have been different. The CA citizens are in my prayers.

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Jessica Coville, San Francisco, California — Wed, 24 Oct 2007 22:46:22 GMT

I think you do a great disservice with this article by resorting to basic clichés about California and its citizens. Your poking fun at dogs with outfits and yoga/mediation classes does not negate the fact that thousands of people are without homes, people have died, and lives have been ruined. Would you have written the same fluff about the stadium in New Orleans?

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Alex Mack, Anaheim, California — Wed, 24 Oct 2007 22:49:10 GMT

Thats what Californian's are all about. We dont need the federal government to come in. We take care of our own.

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bala ganesan — Wed, 24 Oct 2007 22:49:59 GMT

Which insurance company was offering hamburgers and claims service on the spot?

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Cara Sanders, Mt. Shasta, CA — Wed, 24 Oct 2007 22:50:25 GMT

It's nice the evacuees are having such a great time, while our firefighters go for days without sleep, and sometimes given only a sandwich to eat while out on the fire lines.

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Diane Hayes — Wed, 24 Oct 2007 22:50:50 GMT

Wow - just like New Orleans during their disaster.

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Donna, Harrisburg, PA — Wed, 24 Oct 2007 22:55:51 GMT

It's amazing all the help that can be had when you're white.

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CaliforniaNative — Wed, 24 Oct 2007 22:57:00 GMT

Watch and learn, America. Watch and learn.

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Lisa — Wed, 24 Oct 2007 22:58:39 GMT

Hey, when we evacuate and shelter we do it right!
So. Cal style!!

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Teri Brown Lompoc, CA — Wed, 24 Oct 2007 23:03:55 GMT

This article makes it sound like a party down in San Diego and is in very poor taste. The author is also rubbing the devasting living conditions that Katrina victim's experienced after their catasrophe in their face, all the while not acknowleging that hundreds upon thousands of Southern Californians are destrought over being left homeless. Not everyone in Southern California is rich! Appalling coverage!

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Paula J. Gross — Wed, 24 Oct 2007 23:05:10 GMT

Having lived in an affluent neighborhood devastated by tornadoes in 1999, there can be no comparisons drawn between the volunteer, donation, mobilization efforts between these California fires and the aftermath of Katrina. (Please note, I am not citing devistation and destruction) A large portion of population affected in the Katrina disaster were disenfranchised, without the benefit of personal and financial resources of folks in our neighborhood and of our fellow Americans in Southern California. This is not to say that the pain of losing your home and precious mementos, leaving pets behind, worrying about loved ones welfare; is not a dreadful scenario that we pray none of us will never have to endure again. But, please let's not make comparisons between the two. That said, we should all hold up the efforts and cooperation in California as a benchmark for all of us in times of dire straights. It was also apparent early on that there was a united and proactive front between all of the local, state and federal agencies. When the inevitable Monday morning quarterbacking began it did not appear to be substantiated...would that Louisiana and Mississipi had had the benefit of hindsight

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K Davis, San Diego, CA — Wed, 24 Oct 2007 23:06:34 GMT

This is why I love San Diego. Instead of panicking in a disaster, everyone takes care of each other and really thinks of the little things (toilet paper, massages for the stressed evacuees, toys for the kids, even special food for those with dietary restrictions). This really is one of the best places to live.

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Dale S. — Wed, 24 Oct 2007 23:08:25 GMT

I'll bet the folks in New Orleans feel loved.

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Michele C. Tucson , Arizona — Wed, 24 Oct 2007 23:13:28 GMT

We live in a disgusting two class nation..........the 'haves' and the 'have-nots'. Evacuees of Katrina couldn't even get decent meals, bedding, clothing, etc...

This makes me want to throw up!!!!

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Orange County California — Wed, 24 Oct 2007 23:15:52 GMT

well, after all this is southern california and who wouldnt want a massage after having your million dollar home burned down? I suspect after living like refugees in Qualcomm stadium this is totally appropriate.

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Stuart Phillips, Eugene, OR — Wed, 24 Oct 2007 23:17:28 GMT

What a far cry from what the Katrina victims had to endure.

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Bill, Colorado Springs, Colorado — Wed, 24 Oct 2007 23:19:37 GMT

This doesn't really surprise me. It is further proof of the rights and privileges that the haves get to keep while the have nots get treated as (at best) second class citizens during equally massive disasters. The victims of Katrina get blamed for staying in New Orleans when the city was hit and, as implied, they deserve inadequate shelter, food, medical care, et cetera. The people of southern California remain behind and have to be housed in emergency shelter, but they get emergency boutiques that cost them nothing. Where is the justice?

Bill

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San Diego Lover, La Mesa, California — Wed, 24 Oct 2007 23:21:09 GMT

Gotta love SoCal!! As I sit at my desk watching the ashen sky, not wanting to go out into the smoke filled air, reading about the pug at the Q brought a smile to my face :)

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DawnBSeafordDE — Wed, 24 Oct 2007 23:25:43 GMT

You've got to be kidding me! Who pays for all of the massages and custom crocheted items?

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Anne, Boulder, CO — Wed, 24 Oct 2007 23:27:31 GMT

Given what many of these folks face upon returning to destroyed neighborhoods--let's hope FEMA can deliver this time. Meanwhile, who is helping the Katrina victims 2 years later? A moment of calm before personal storms? Bless the folks offering comfort.

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Anonymous, Sioux Falls, SD — Wed, 24 Oct 2007 23:38:36 GMT

Yoga, massages, and acupuncture? And they still have the nerve to ask us to pray for them? They should be ashamed of themselves and feeling grateful that they weren't left sitting on rooftops.

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Ken Hamilton — Wed, 24 Oct 2007 23:47:08 GMT

You sure this wasn't a Dead concert you were at? In all honesty and humility, God bless the people affected by this awful event. I pray that there is no further loss of life and property. However, a somewhat cynical side arises from my jaded self; when do the Jesses Jacksons' and/or Al Sharptons' claim that the predominant 'white' people of Southern Cal. were better treated and assuaged of their dilemma than the 'black' people of Louisiana and Mississippi of their own Hell during Katrina? The pontificating will most assuredly come as much as I am assured that Al Gore will blame this tragedy on global warming. By the way; what is the difference between a politician and a political activist? Only one is voted into a position of power.

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Sam — Wed, 24 Oct 2007 23:50:32 GMT

If you remember, the New Orleans stadium was cut off by water which made it impossible for anyone to get in to help in their time of need.

This stadium seems to be out of harms way with open access for help to arrive and set up.

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Barbara, San Diego, CA — Wed, 24 Oct 2007 23:59:16 GMT

I am very upset at the story and the majority of these comments. This in NOT the federal government taking care of our neighbors, this is us, ordinary citizens, pitching in and helping each other. I am very sorry that this isn't what Katrina victims received during & after their disaster but they should be upset at the local & state governments for not jumping in right away. We certainly didn't wait for the federal government to come help us. Our local government has been OUTSTANDING!! And they deserve all the compliments & accolades that they have been receiving. Excuse us if we are trying to make a very bad and scary situation a little easier on our children. And don't bring race into this. Our city is as diverse as you can get and every one is pitching in and helping and being helped. This is us helping our neighbors. Where were all the caring folks in that part of the country during Katrina??? That is where your anger should be directed, not at us.

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Just wondering, Reno, NV — Wed, 24 Oct 2007 23:59:28 GMT

How come the firefighters aren't benefiting from the gourmet food, massages, etc.? Why are they relegated to sleeping on curbs & in the streets?

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Anonymous, Southern CA — Thu, 25 Oct 2007 00:00:25 GMT

The DIFFERENCE is that we're not RAPING, SHOOTING and LOOTING!

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MLP, Boise, ID — Thu, 25 Oct 2007 00:02:30 GMT

Many miss the point.
When people hurt and need help, others offer what they have. Sometimes people don't "just" have water, but they can provide a service.
I have family that went through some terible times in LA. after the storms, but after a few days there were helping other in whatever way they could. And many down there still don't have their feet on the ground yet, no matter their race.
So thanks to those who can ad a little comfort to those who stand to lose a lot.

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Alana, Anaheim, CA — Thu, 25 Oct 2007 00:02:38 GMT

Southern Californians have come out of the woodwork to take care of their own. All of these extras that you read about (well except for the trailers of insurance agents of course!) have come from other Southern Californians who have taken the time to come down and help out in any way they can. If that means dressing your pug to make people smile, dragging your portable massage table and setting up under a tree, or packing up the yarn ball and creating beanies for the cool night, so be it! Good looking out Southern Cali.

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Lauren Day, Denver, CO — Thu, 25 Oct 2007 00:04:17 GMT

You know, if there's one thing Californians have in common, it's this: they know how to make lemonade from lemons. They're positive people...and also, they're prepared. Many in New Orleans had people offering to help them evacuate, but insisted on waiting for the government to help. Why? Be self-reliant, like the Californians. It's not always a matter of money, but a matter of having some sense. Also, Ray Nagin and Kathleen Blanco versus Arnold Schwarzenegger? Right there, you can see which state got the better deal. I sympathize with the Katrina victims, but the Californians will have rebuilt by the time New Orleans gets its act together. God helps those who help themselves.

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Pamela New Hampshire — Thu, 25 Oct 2007 00:06:08 GMT

God bless the people of California!

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Stacey, San Diego, CA — Thu, 25 Oct 2007 00:06:18 GMT

"Yoga, massages, and acupuncture? And they still have the nerve to ask us to pray for them? They should be ashamed of themselves and feeling grateful that they weren't left sitting on rooftops."

In response to this blog, all I have to say is that some of us do not have rooftops left to event sit on because everything we own, all of our memories and everything we have worked hard for over the years was burned the ground in the blink of an eye. Have some compassion for your fellow Americans and stop making fun of people just becasue they are from Southern California. Californians deserve to be prayed for as much as anyone else.

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California Native Stuck in Seattle — Thu, 25 Oct 2007 00:06:27 GMT

I can't believe those morons who think the government is providing those services!It's the Californians taking care of each other!

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T. Bray, Plymouth, CA — Thu, 25 Oct 2007 00:06:54 GMT

What I love about Califronia is that we take care of our problems ourselves. It has nothing to with race or social status. We did not wait for help. When a prison and hospitals needed evacuating your will notice the school buses that were used. When rooms for the patients were needed our Governator got on the phone at took care of the problem. Yeah California can be a place of kooks butr when the going gets tough we dig in. Just look to how we have reponded to large earthquakes and similiar fires in the past. Wedid not sit around a wait for someone else to do it.

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Robert, Huntington Beach, CA — Thu, 25 Oct 2007 00:07:05 GMT

Look at the pictures of the people in Calif. Most are not white. Calif sent more(and is still sending)to Katrinathan any other state(Texas has done good too)I do not think those in Qualcom with no place to go are all "rich". Do you think they act that way because they are rich, or are they rich because they act that way?

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Ken Hamilton — Thu, 25 Oct 2007 00:07:05 GMT

Southern California Republican?! And as far as people with money using it to save themselves...what the hell is wrong with that? You people need to check the facts and put your brain in motion before you put your mouth in gear.

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V8, Laguna Niguel, CA. — Thu, 25 Oct 2007 00:08:32 GMT

What does this article say about California? It says that Californians take care of their own and don't sit around waiting for FEMA to come bail them out. It doesn't have anything to do with being white. It has everything to do with lending a helping hand to your neighbor.

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SPOTTERRON Lockport — Thu, 25 Oct 2007 00:09:29 GMT

An "8 on the Richter Scale" quake right about now would probably put out a lot of the fires, but might also dampen the high spirits of the partying evacuees.......

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E. Peterson, San Diego — Thu, 25 Oct 2007 00:11:40 GMT

To all of you complaining about the luxury services provided the evacuees in San Diego, you should know that it is the people of San Diego taking care of themselves and their neighbors. The federal government has not provided any of the relief at Qualcomm Stadium. Everyone who is able, is pitching in to do what they can. This situation can in no way be compared to Katrina. The fires started slowly and grew to enormous proportions, but we had time to mobilize and get everything to the evacuees at Qualcomm. It is a very devastating situation here for many people who have lost everything. People all over San Diego are pitching in to help. Shame on all of you who are making false claims that the people who lost everything here are being better taken care of by the federal government. And by the way, several of the people volunteering out there at Qualcomm also flew to New Orleans to lend a hand there. Stop criticizing and maybe you can learn a lesson in case it ever happens in your town.

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JS, Laguna Niguel, CA — Thu, 25 Oct 2007 00:12:48 GMT

Instead of being angry at a Californian who wants to give of his or her time and resources to help another Californian ask yourself why others do not do this where they live... be it New Orleans or San Diego or anywhere that someone is in trouble.
Of course FEMA is not giving massages and yoga classes, get a grip and look at the people who are helping.
If we could get past the roadblocks to offer a firefighter even the slightest bit of comfort of course we would BUT WE CAN'T!
Don't blame us for helping just figure out what you can do for your community when it needs it.

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Steve, Los Angeles, CA — Thu, 25 Oct 2007 00:15:08 GMT

Hey Mike in New York: After 9/11 the country was behind your town. Now that people have lost everything except their lives, you take cheap shots? You reinforce the stereotypes we out here have about crass, soulless New Yorkers. By the way, ever had a real massage? When you are stressed, tired and anxious it would, duh, make you feel better and be better able to cope. And as for the firefighters getting the same treatment as the civilians? Well, duh, one group volunteers to do one job and is ALWAYS greatly praised for it by the locals, while the civilians just lose their homes, cars, pets, equity.

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Linda, Fontana, CA — Thu, 25 Oct 2007 00:15:33 GMT

That's why we LOVE IT here!! CALI is the place!!! I felt sorry for the Katrina victims and even though I'm a member of the African American Middle Class I bit the bullet and sent bucks to New Orleans. Californians sent mega bucks down to New Orleans to help out - these are people who struggle to make ends meet. We Californians felt the pain and isolation and did not hesitate to help out our people in need. I'm happy to see us handling our business here in Cali.

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Jann Messer, Seattle, Wash — Thu, 25 Oct 2007 00:15:57 GMT

The reason the Californians in distress are recieving quality care is that the state had disaster preparedness superior to that of New Orleans. This should drastically contrast the Republican approach ( be prepared and plan ) versus the Democrat approach ( hope the Feds pay for it, you already spent the money on feel good no product stuff.

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Sully smite — Thu, 25 Oct 2007 00:15:59 GMT

While its wonderful the evacuees and home owners are being treated rather well; that doesn't change what has happened in CA.

And, where were all those helpers (ie insurance, FEMA etc.) when the folks in Katrina were living on roofs, begging for help, drowning and starving. Why no special services at the superdome?????????

I have to agree, that things are different when the disaster victims are white. I am causasian so I can say that without bias.;

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Becky Beatty, South Glens Falls, NY — Thu, 25 Oct 2007 00:16:54 GMT

Get a grip folks! I am from California and have lived in San Diego and I know that it is a multi-cultural, basically middle class kind of town!! I am sure that the folks who lost multi-million dollar homes are NOT at the Qualcom, but have paid for rooms and are staying at the Hotel del Coronado, etc. Give these people a break!! I am proud to be a Californian watching these folks band together, take care of one another and doing it in GRAND California style. BRAVO!!

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Nick Baker, Philadelphia PA — Thu, 25 Oct 2007 00:17:08 GMT

You bleeding heart idiots. I think you have no idea what what it is to lose everything in your life and have no place to live. Give em free hand jobs for all I care. It's their lives that were destroyed, and they should be felt sorry for, not ridiculed by people that have probably never had a massage in their lives. What happened to the victims of Katrina has no bearing on what happened to these people. Also, remember that these people LISTENED when they were told to evacuate. Funny things happen when you listen.

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MaryLou — Thu, 25 Oct 2007 00:19:10 GMT

FEMA isn't making all this good stuff in Calfornia happen. California didn't just figure out how to respond to disasters since Katrina. We plan meticulously and get plenty of practice every year during fire season. Our public safety officials are awesome. In 2004, FEMA reported that California fire response was a model of interagency coordination. Give credit where credit is due. FEMA is doing much better than they did in Katrina, but it's a secondary role. What you're seeing is Californians taking care of Californians. Also, because the Gulf Coast didn't evacuate to the extent we now know they should ahve, the relief situation in Katrina was far worse, with people stranded in utter devastation.

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Jane Doe, Midwest — Thu, 25 Oct 2007 00:19:45 GMT

Does it not occur to any of you that the type of disaster involved is drastically different?

With Katrina, power was out, land was flooded and surrounding states were similarly affected. While the fires are devastating, most shelters have power, are accessible by car and all of the surrounding communities are completely untouched.

I'm not saying there weren't racial aspects to the Katrina situation, but it seems to me that those of you who can only see this as a prime example of the government not caring about minorities and the poor should look at the entire picture.

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Born-n-Bred Texan — Thu, 25 Oct 2007 00:21:23 GMT

I just hope all of these people don't decide to pack up and move to Texas. We have enough la-la land idiots around here.

Give me a break. I'm glad these people are safe and they deserve to be comfortable in such a high-stress time. My heart goes out to those who lost any or everything, but can we please put our feet back on the ground and get in touch with reality?

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WL, San Diego, California — Thu, 25 Oct 2007 00:21:52 GMT

Many of the services people in California are volunteers giving their time, and resources. The victims of Katrina did not have people in their area willing to do that. They all came out of places like California and other States that gave from the bottom of their hearts to help fellow Americans. Stop and look at the reality of the situation.... many of you STIL have a home, or a job to go to tomorrow. Sadly like Katrina many of these people are in need. The media is the reason that makes you all takes sides. This is a disaster, and like Katrina we all need to give to those who are less fortunate. If you had nothing to return to, how would you be feeling right now?

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Bob Foster — Thu, 25 Oct 2007 00:22:26 GMT

Everyone else, including the visiting Easterners, has remarked at the amazing support private individuals have given to the rescue efforts. You have to make it look tawdry. The dog provided a laugh for folks who had to face very serious issues. Lighten up. Bet I could find something to ridicule in your home town.

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Jody J, Phoenix — Thu, 25 Oct 2007 00:23:12 GMT

Some people seem to be missing one important point: those giving massages, leading yoga classes and meditations, giving childrens' magic shows, etc. are also evacuees. They are sharing their talents to make this ordeal a bit easier for everyone, not being air-headed idiots as some make them out to be. Personally, I admire and commend them all.

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Ron Welling, Gladewater, Texas — Thu, 25 Oct 2007 00:23:15 GMT

There is absolutely nothing wrong with the people of California giving, sharing and giving hope to each other. The fact that the good people of New Orleans and the other gulf states were the victims of this administration and were treated in the worst manner possible does not have anything to do with the example in human compassion being shown to the world by the good people of Southern California. I for one think it is great and shows that a disaster does not have to become another disaster like New Orleans.

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Sandra P., San Diego, CA — Thu, 25 Oct 2007 00:23:28 GMT

The services offered to the people who were evacuated at Qualcomm Stadium are by volunteers in the community. San Diegans pull together to help each other out in times like this. Much of the food, water and entertainment are the result of local businesses that contributed and ordinary citizens who just wanted to help out.

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Joebobmcgee, Irvine, California — Thu, 25 Oct 2007 00:23:42 GMT

Ok first, I'd like to say that comparing Katrina to these wildfires is pointless. There is no comparison. They are completely different.

Second...

We have fires every year in California. Why do you think we elected Mr. Freeze as our governor? "Cool down california!"

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SS, Oregon — Thu, 25 Oct 2007 00:25:40 GMT

It's foolish to compare Qualcom and the Superdome. There are many people in Southern California that have not been severely affected and can volunteer their efforts and resources to help the evacuees. They still have access to the things they need. The hospitals are open, the airports are open, most of the highways are open, most of the Targets and Walmarts are open. They are helping their neighbors and I think they should be applauded. The government has nothing to do with a massage therapist setting up a free service at Qualcom. And I bet the clowns and magicians coming in to entertain the kids are volunteering. I don't think the government, Republican or Democrat, is interviewing and hiring clowns for this disaster! Californians are showing people why we should all be proud to be Americans. I'm sure there were plenty of people in New Orleans who would have helped after Katrina IF they could have. In SoCal, it's neighbor helping neighbor. New Orleans was devastated and had no electricity or water or sewers. The water and electricity are still working in So Cal...of course they are going to have it better. Black or White or Hispancic, rich or poor, Republican or Democrat, why would you ever want anything else for them?

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Paul McDonnell, Riverside, CA — Thu, 25 Oct 2007 00:27:12 GMT

Folks, let's not get caught up in the drama and the recriminations. The real difference is that the devastation in New Orleans precluded the type of response seen in San Diego. The floodwaters did not permit the flow of goods or people in an orderly fashion.

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Dean, Irvine, CA — Thu, 25 Oct 2007 00:27:13 GMT

All of the commenters who are trying to make this about race and money instead need to realize that this is part about lessons learned from Katrina, part a pitch in and help atmosphere, part the fact that unlike New Orleans there is somewhere local to congregate and help out (safely- which they did not have in New Orleans at least initially), and part the fact that San Diego is not as geographically isolated as New Orleans. Oh, and part of this is that the government in California is more responsive to all of its constituents than some other states and that they do react in a crisis. Finally, what does it matter that these people they are trying to cope in their own way? Does it hurt you or the fireman- will it help if they sob and cry and give up? Grow up and mind your own store.

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Marianne, Orange, CA — Thu, 25 Oct 2007 00:28:07 GMT

We here in California may be rich but we also take care of each other and don't expect the government to do it for us. We have a problem, we solve it together. My sympathies to the Katrina victims - you were treated badly. I can't even imagine what you went through. But to compare the two disasters isn't fair. Nor is it fair for the rest of the country to criticize how we Californians get through our natural disasters. It may be foreign to you but that's what makes our state the best. I'm proud to be a native Californian. Maybe the rest of the country could learn something from us, huh?

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Kristel San Diego, CA — Thu, 25 Oct 2007 00:28:15 GMT

A lot of these comments are very disheartening. This disaster has nothing to do with race or money, a tradgedy is a tradgedy and losing a home is devestating regardless of your socio or economical status. It is not the government who stepped in because San Diegans are rich white people, it is the people of San Diego who stepped in and helped eachother in anyway they knew how, whether it be yoga classes, or offering your home or food to others who have no place to go. Instead of belittling the people who are experiencing great losses, because not everyone in San Diego has money to whip up another house, we should be lending a hand and our hearts to these people. This is the second time I have experienced these fires in San Diego, and they are scary and sad, so any happiness people want to bring to those affected should be praised not looked down on and made into a cliche.

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Shirley MO — Thu, 25 Oct 2007 00:28:52 GMT

This is a perfect example of the theory that if you divided up all of the wealth in this nation equally that within a given amount of time the wealthy would be wealthy again and the poor would be poor again. The people enduring these fires are people that are used to taking care of themselves and their own problems.They daily take care of themselves,their families, their business, etc. That is how they became affulent and will stay that way.
The Hurricane Katrina victims for the most part were unable to care for tehmselves on a day to day basis much less in an emergency of that magnitude. They depended on the government for their basic needs and when that was interrupted they did not know what to do or how to do it. The people in San Deigo are capable of taking care of themselves and have savings, insurance, and other things in place to take care of themselves in an emergency.

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Christine — Thu, 25 Oct 2007 00:31:16 GMT

Everyone is so quick to judge and forgets the fact that no one could get into New Orleans the first few days. Qualcomm is not near the flames and is accessible still. No one will contest that if the roads into the Dome were available would help (and all sorts of it) would have arrived and people would have been helped far sooner

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Cathy from Poway CA — Thu, 25 Oct 2007 00:31:24 GMT

Tese people are making the best of a very very bad situation. I just returned today after several days of evacuation. This story doesn't show the REAL STORY of people from all walks of life waiting for what can be devastating news. Anything that people can offer for a little distraction is greatly appreciated. THINK about being out or your home for so many days not knowing but seeing, hearing, breathing smoke and expecting the WORST. I appreciate all those who volunteered and made donations to help us to be comforted in our time of need. THANK YOU to all the kind and caring Californians who gave so abundantly. We evacuees really appreciate it!

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Kathy, Billings, MT — Thu, 25 Oct 2007 00:33:10 GMT

Please remember this is vastly different than New Orleans was. Katrina caused most of an entire city to be underwater and unaccessable during the first few days of the disaster. I'm not letting any state or federal personnel off the hook in Lousiana, just pointing out the situation was completely different.

And if the people of San Diego have access to food, entertainment, acupuncture, etc., great! Why must we compare everything to a tragedy beyond comprehension in New Orleans and expect that to be the standard of evacuees elsewhere? You go, Californians! And keep those dogs on their Harleys - has anyone considered bits of humor may be one way to get through being uprooted and possibly losing everything you have?

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CaliGirl, San Diego, CA — Thu, 25 Oct 2007 00:33:12 GMT

We have to remember all these services, overwhelming donations came fr the locals-- San Diegans-- none came fr. the Fed. There are other smaller centers operated by non-government organization were also over flooded w/ donations/ help fr. the people of San Diego when donation/assistance was asked. I'm one of those evacuees but opted to stay at relative places. It makes me cry how much kindness of many individuals & help fr. many corners of the city itself! We have been able to hold out until the Fed steps in late yesterday for the fire fighting/security.

Yes, social/financial factors are major difference here. Most of us in the evacuated zones were well prepared & have means to evacuate ourselves the minutes the order was sent to us via Reverse-911 phone calls. We have an emergency pack in each car/in the house since we live in an earthquake country.

Unfortunately, Katrina had different situations. The suffered evacuees in New Orleans didn't have means or unable to evacuate themselves. The ones listened to the authority went to the dome & then abandoned by the government-- all level-- city, state, fed for an unacceptable delay aid! Here in San Diego, the leadership shows strong this time. Also the evacuation was mass but in stages-- not all in one time like Katrina in panic!

To answer to LA Escapee: the caring folks were so frustrated that they could not access to New Orlean/Super Dome to help; many Doctors w/ airplane loaded w/ the medicine to fly in; many volunteers waiting for days to get an OK to get in & had to return to their normal jobs. Blame it on FEMA! FEMA has nothing to get the credits for all these overwhelming donation/pampering the evacuees in SD.

Yes, only in California. :>)))

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Barbara — Thu, 25 Oct 2007 00:36:32 GMT

May be they will send a little on to the people who really need it, the poor home owners who had the rug pulled out by the insurance companies in New Orleans and those who still don't know if they can rebuild on their lot. Barbara from Savannah

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CalGirl, San Diego, CA — Thu, 25 Oct 2007 00:36:48 GMT

Donna, PA:

White is almost minority in Southern CA! Asian rules-- especially in colleges! :>)))

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Chris, MS — Thu, 25 Oct 2007 00:37:18 GMT

I have yet to hear "why should they be allowed to rebuild" or "I don't want my tax dollars to pay for them to rebuild in a hazardous area." I have read over and over how victims of the fires are pledging to rebuild their lives and homes because "it is my home." I hope they never have to hear those painful questions because it is their home. This is a terrible disaster and I wish all of those affected the best of luck. It is just disgusting to see the contrast between the fires and Katrina.

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Trish, Escondido, CA — Thu, 25 Oct 2007 00:37:26 GMT

It is highly unfair to comment that all of us who live in San Diego are all "rich white people." Look at the statistics almost 1/2 the population is a minority and most of us do not have the ability to own million dollar houses.

Many of us rent and work normal 9-5 jobs just like everyone else. Lot of us regular Joes (me included) have been affected by the fires. We were required to evacuate our apartment in Escondido. Today is our first day back at home and it is such a relief that our home did not burn down. We choose to go to my in-laws house instead of the Q because this was a very traumatic situation and luckily my in-laws did not have to evacuate.

Most of the acupuncture, food, blankets, and everything else that you hear about was donated by other San Diegians. Many of those volunteering at the Q were private citizens that came to help those in need. So, shame on all of you who look down us because we care about our fellow neighbors.

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Native of Washington State — Thu, 25 Oct 2007 00:38:12 GMT

My heart goes out to both Katrina Victims and So. Cal victims. But I agree there is no way to compare a wildfire where neighboring towns still have power and necessities to accomodate the evacuees. From a flood disaster where nobody could get in to help out folks for days. I also want to Thank the folks in SoCal for evacuating when told and not putting our firefighters lifes at risk any further then they already are to have to come in and try to rescue them. I wonder if the men and women on the front line are getting massages, accupunture, meditation and kosher food. While we are being so negative lets not forget the positive and all the folks who have left there homes and families to travel to these kind of disasters to help out. I serve on an incident management team please keep those out there on the line in your thoughts and prayers that they return home save to their families and loved ones.
Lets just take from each mistake what we learn and use in the next time out the door. We will continue to have natures disasters to deal with.

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Dean, Irvine, CA — Thu, 25 Oct 2007 00:39:45 GMT

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Gary, New York — Thu, 25 Oct 2007 00:42:28 GMT

The funny part about this article and a lot of the posts is that the article doesn't mention the government even once. A lot of the posters are mad because SoCal fared better than Katrina victims. Perhaps the answer isn't in the government at all, but the attitude of the victims. Californians are willing to give, even if all they have to give is a massage, while Katrina victims all whine about how the government hasn't provded enough for them to take.

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Janice, CA — Thu, 25 Oct 2007 00:42:46 GMT

It's always Bash California Day, isn't it? A lot of it is spin and some of it is just people being good to other people.

Though some of you nice folk with nasty comments about what's happening out there either lived through Katrina or helped those who did, can't help but wonder what the rest of you did to help those in need at that time besides post your prayers to a website.

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Jim, Collierville, TN — Thu, 25 Oct 2007 00:49:08 GMT

Yes. What a difference from Katrina. There are no reports of people looting stores, other than firefighters making their own sandwiches at a Subway. No one is floating TVs down flooded streets on air rafts. No one is shooting at rescue workers trying to restore services.

What a refreshing change.

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Schell, America's Finest City (San Diego), CA — Thu, 25 Oct 2007 00:49:31 GMT

As one who currently lives just up the hill from Qualcomm Stadium, this is just a sick and misconstrued story. Do you know why those who evacuated had all of these "luxuries?"

At one time there was as many volunteers to help as those who evacuated. There were continuous calls out on the TV and radio for items and help that were needed at the shelters, including at Qualcomm Stadium. People asked, they received.

For a while our main radio station for information on the fire was knocked off of the air when their transmitter was damaged in the fire. Another local station DONATED their frequency so the station could keep broadcasting. Everything remained in the objective, without any bickering.

We have a hands-on governor who made personal calls himself and has followed up on everything. From to the California Grocers Association for donations, to a call to the President to use our military resources to fight the fires, to hospitals for extra beds to relocate patients from hospitals that were evacuated. He has made a lot happen and he has followed up to make sure that there was enough toilet paper, diapers, cots, and the essentials. He's been a real action hero! The massages, yoga and meditation, etc were from local VOLUNTEERS who went down to the stadium donated their services out of the goodness of their hearts.

The communication between local, county, state and federal levels has been impeccable. Who could ever pull off a mass evacuation of a million people - rich and poor - a bilingual population - with a mimimum of a loss of life and injury? It's been an incredible orchestration.

BTW...the federal government has had a minimal hand in all of this. This has truly been a homegrown effort and I am proud that I am a San Diegan. I hope that some of the above comments could be rethought.

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Phil, San Diego, CA — Thu, 25 Oct 2007 00:49:38 GMT

Hey, this is a good thing: our community has come together in a time of tragedy. This should be a standard by which we deal with disasters elsewhere in the world.

You notice that there isn't the looting out of desperation when you have the amenities that you're used to as a result.

I'm so proud to be from California where in the face of extreme devastation we organize effectively and deal with our problems together.

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Valery, San Diego, CA — Thu, 25 Oct 2007 00:50:58 GMT

I am amazed at the negative comments that are being leveled against California. I live in San Diego. I am not rich, by any means. We have taken in evacuees. What is happening here is devastating, but the citizens are working together to help.
You think it's easy? Even sitting in our homes, with no air conditioning, windows shut, our eyes and noses are burning. Some media may make it look like a "circus" but the people at Qualcomm will no doubt suffer serious side effects from the ashes and particulates that we are breathing.
So shame on anyone who thinks that, because we live in California, we are being treated differently.

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Martin San Diego Ca — Thu, 25 Oct 2007 00:51:47 GMT

I live in San Diego. The stadium was set a an evacuation center by the city. All the sevices and food and water and entertainment was provided by private citizens. Not Fema not the City not the Federal gov't. It was organised by the regular people of San Diego!

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Tim, Claremont, CA — Thu, 25 Oct 2007 00:52:12 GMT

I didn't have to evacuate my house, but really. If we want to come together as communities and give each other a massage (and that's not the government, mind you), why aren't we allowed to do so? I'm proud of the community spirit where I live, so if you think that people making the best of their situation is wrong and awful, I'm sorry you feel that way. Living your life, with ups and downs, is ultimately more important than a big (potentially burning) pile of wood, concrete, stucco, etc.

"It's amazing all the help that can be had when you're white." Um. Have you ever visited Southern California? Minorities are the majority. Do yourself a favor and do some travel, see the world (and the rest of the country you live in). :)

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ila allan, Riverton, Utah — Thu, 25 Oct 2007 00:53:23 GMT

New Orleans wasn't the only victim of Katrina, and blacks weren't the only victims and neither was the poor. Katrina took what was ever in her path. Their governor moved slow, the towns next to New Orleans wouldn't let the victims cross the bridge. Insurance Agency couldn't get into New Orleans for it was flooded.
The difference between the victims in both case is this. When people were told to leave in SD they left, when people were told to leave in New Orleans and other places along the coast they stayed and wanted to wade out the storm. The had plenty of time to leave, but chose not.
California has done good! They came together and just like Katrina their are victims here.
Not all of Cal. is wealthy, but they seem to be educated enough to heed the warnings given them.
Utah Firefighters and all others stay safe.

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Kim, Chantilly, VA — Thu, 25 Oct 2007 00:53:53 GMT

It was the Katrina tragedy that woke us all up to the fact that animals are important to many people and need to be included in disaster planning and thus allowed into evacuation centers with their owners. From the federal government on down, laws have been enacted and training given to help disaster coordinators understand that for many people animals are an essential part of the family unit and must no longer be left behind.

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Nate, Charlotte, NC — Thu, 25 Oct 2007 00:55:40 GMT

Let's see:

Hurricane that people knew were coming for a week. If it hits, everything is washed away. Nothing can survive a flood, so why play chicken?

Fires, worst in recent history. Most fires have been controlled thus far. There isn't a storm the size of Rhode Island dropping a foot of rain on top of a 20' storm surge.

Yeah, its just because they are white. Rich, maybe, but not because they are white. And republican territory. Uh, hello? Did anyone notice this is California we are talking about?

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California Girl, L.A., CA — Thu, 25 Oct 2007 00:55:51 GMT

These "extra" services -- the yoga, acupuncture, massage, gourmet buffets, etc. these were not funded by the government. These were primarily donated by local businesses and private citizens of San Diego. It's a great example of the community coming together and showing a Cali-style hospitality.

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Dean Z. San Diego, CA — Thu, 25 Oct 2007 00:57:33 GMT

race and social status have nothing to do with it! The people who offered massages, yoga, meditation, music and whatever else did it out of the kindness of their own hearts. The government (local, state, federal) had nothing to do with it. Maybe if the good people of New Orleans were more concerned with their neighbors instead of what they can steal from their neighbors things would have turned out differently. The people made this happen, not the government. It is always that way and it always will be. Doing things yourself instead of waiting for someone else to do it (the government)always brings better results. By the way... Only one reported case of looting. Two teenagers in Ramona were caught and immediately punished.

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Brenda, Southern CA — Thu, 25 Oct 2007 01:01:55 GMT

Wow! I can't believe this? I live here. I am a Californian all my life. Homes are burned. Lives are lost. Memories are gone forever. Millions of people are affected by this, and for some its not the first time. I worry for the victims, I worry for the fire fighters, I worry for the children most. I lay awake at night hoping that the devastating winds die out and wonder if my home and my children will be next. I worry and wonder where friends and relatives are. My kids are sick, because the entire half of the state is raining ash. My 12 year old daughter is having difficulty breathing because she is Asthmatic and it is so hard to breath when the smoke is blocking out the sun, turning day to night. We are in a crisis and most of you are not here. You are criticizing us for being victims. You are believing all the trash you read to be truth. The people in this state are coming together to help each other, to help strangers, to support our firefighters. Not because we are rich or white, but because we care and we want to help as much as we can. This state has more ethnic diversity than most of the Nation. All of you get to watch our sadness, like some soap opera and criticize. Shame on you. Turn off your TV and you computer if you are so disgusted by the lies you are believing. Shame on you for being mean and god bless all of the victims of this crisis. I will pray for them and for you.

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K. Jones, Irvine California — Thu, 25 Oct 2007 01:05:25 GMT

Yeah, we out here in Southern California are just crazy. Instead of banding together to help out our neighbors, we should be complaining that the government isn't rescuing us and we should be looting each other and committing murder. They are actually TURNING VOLUNTEERS AWAY at Qualcomm. That says a lot about San Diego and maybe the mayors of all the majors cities in America need to sit up and pay attention. The people who lost their homes are strong, courageous and I'm proud of them.

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Pray For Nevada — Thu, 25 Oct 2007 01:21:33 GMT

We had acupuncture in New Orleans, it was called getting stabbed. I think what we see in San Diego is a city that is truly the city of brotherly love, its at times of weakness when the strength shows. San Diego new pitch for getting people to live there should be, We Know how to do Evacuations. Katrina just brought out the simmering tensions and hate in New Orleans, and the water level.

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Phil, in San Marcos, SD county, CA — Thu, 25 Oct 2007 01:25:39 GMT

This shows how not just the city, but the whole county of San Diego is working together to help out eachother and make the best of things. Fires are still burning and it's hot as hell out there, so why not make the best of things. Although some of the hard-hit areas were those of wealthy people, there are other communities affected that had lower and middle class people too and people of different races. Everything was well organized and the reverse 911 calls did help evacuate most people in a timely manner. It seems that the government has learned from the 2003 fires in San Diego county and Hurricane Katrina for reacting more promptly. People who've never been to the San Diego area should not criticize us for being united and tolerant of eachother unlike other parts of the country.

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Baldenario, Middle of Nowhere, Texas — Thu, 25 Oct 2007 01:28:22 GMT

Having been in a house when hurricane Rita traveled directly overhead, with winds as high as 120 mile per hour first going west-to-east for six hours, followed by one hour of eerie calm, then with the same intensity winds going east-to-west, it is not the least bit difficult to understand that this is entirely different from what happens in a wildfire, especially when there is plenty of advance warning.

With a hurricane, there can be flooding for weeks after the initial event, and to a lesser degree this also can happen after a wildfire, except that with a hurricane everything stays flooded for longer.

Is it strange that the disaster response to the California wildfires appears to be much better than the response to hurricanes (especially hurricane Katrina)?

Not really . . .

After hurricane Katrina, the main bridges serving New Orleans were down, which prevented emergency responders from getting into the city by any of the most direct routes. Flooding on roads and intact bridges also limited the ability of disaster reponders to enter the city, and the only airport in the area where large airplanes could land had similar problems, all of which makes the response to hurricane Katrina very different from the way things are happening in California. Last time I checked, the airports were open in California, and one might suppose that for the most part so are the major highways.

This is not suggesting that hurricanes are "real" disasters, while wildfires are not, but it does suggest that the ability of emergency responders to provide disaster relief is highly dependent upon the particular type of disaster and on the aftermath of the disaster, with respect to infrastructure (roads, bridges, hospitals, and temporary housing, food supplies, and so forth).

Hurricane Rita traveled overhead starting just after midnight on Friday (which was early Saturday AM) and continued for 13 hours. The local Wal-Mart Supercenter was open for limited business by the following Tuesday or Wednesday (albeit with no refrigerated or frozen food). The local lumber and building supply stores were open on the following Monday, just two days after hurricane landfall.

The only thing that was virtually impossible to find was ice, and it truly is amazing how important it is to have ice. A few days without electricity and ice, and you would consider trading a gold watch for a cup of ice. However, since I had a portable gas cooker and plenty of beans and rice, I was able to help the neighbors with hot meals, and one of the neighbors had a friend who somehow was able to get ice every few days, so ice appeared after a while.

Then, trucks from South Carolina appeared with electric generators for sale (using cellular telephones to process credit cards on the spot), and things got a lot better. Of course, this was in the areas that were not flooded, because the flooded areas continued to be flooded for weeks, so it helps to devote a bit of attention to where one decides to live.

The primary problem in the disaster responses both to hurricane Katrina and Rita was that FEMA simply was not prepared. Compounding the problem, Louisiana and Mississippi at the state and local levels also were not prepared. In contrast, Texas was better prepared, although not so well as it could be.

Economics and poverty also played a key part in the hurricane disasters, because people who cannot afford a car and a telephone have no quick and easy way to do much of anything, especially to evacuate, because they are trapped by a combination of things that can be simply overwhelming. In this sense, there is a difference in the way everything played during the hurricanes versus the California wildfires.

In summary, since these thoughts are bouncing from place to place (even though they are related in one way or another), to compare the disaster response to the California wildfires to hurricanes Katrina and Rita, one would need to pretend that all the state and local emergency responders, as well as FEMA, could not drive or fly to the area for another week or two, other than via a small number of military helicopters, which simply is not the case with the California wildfires.

Although it might take a while, if you live in Los Angeles, you probably can ride a bicycle to San Diego with few if any problems, but you could not do this a few days after hurricanes Katrina and Rita, because the gators would get you the first time you tried to pedal through a few feet of water . . .

It took the U.S. Army nearly a week to be able to drive big military trucks into New Orleans, and those military trucks are designed to drive in rough conditions. So it is a bit different in terms of everything, really . . .

Overall, what was missing most in the response to hurricane Katrina was common sense and the ability to make simple but brilliant decisions at the scene without having to ask bureaucrats in the various state and national capitals.

I might not know much about everything, but I know a little bit about the Deep South, and it is a fact that virtually every man (and quite a few women) have a 4x4 offroad vehicle, a bass boat, and probably a few swamp buggies, or they know someone who does.

It might have been a bit chaotic, but if the federal government had been willing to pay all the folks with bass boats a reasonable rate for delivering food, medicine, and ferrying people to and from New Orleans, there would have been few if any problems with getting necessary supplies virtually anywhere, especially if the federal government sweetened the offer by providing free "I Love Bass" baseball hats and perhaps a one-year no-limit special fishing license.

The folks who have bass boats and swamp buggies can go anywhere, virtually anytime, in any type of weather, so long as there is any possibility either of catching a bass or getting a free baseball hat, because this is what they really like to do.

Continuing the summary, if you recall what actually happened correctly, nothing sensible happened until the "Raging Cajun" (U. S. Army Lieutenant General Russel Honore) arrived, because until that moment, nobody within several hundred miles had any common sense and authority. There was plenty of authority but no common sense. Yet when Lt. General Honore arrived, there was both authority and common sense, and everything started getting better immediately.

Even FEMA Director Michael Brown had a little bit of common sense (more so than any of his superior managers), and he at least gave the order to allow people to take their pets with them when they were evacuated. Everyone tried to make Michael Brown the scapegoat, but when you judge him by what he did given the extraordinary restrictions and constraints under which he had no choice but to operate, he was not a bad person, and it was not his fault. FEMA had been a separate and independent entity, but it was folded into the Department of Homeland Security and then was relegated to a cubby hole with virtually no ability to do anything.

From this perspective, which includes quite a few bits of information that is not so difficult to infer, the Department of Homeland Security and FEMA should have been on the scene of the California wildfires much earlier, if only because one side effect is that several of the Southern California military bases (Marines and Navy, definitely) are virtually emptied, which is not such a bright idea when our great nation is fighting a war against terrorists.

The executives and bureaucrats in the federal government continue not to get it, at all . . .

Or, perhaps they do get it but are not telling us everything . . .

Difficult to guess, really . . .

At the dawn of the early 21st century, nothing is simple, any more . . .

The primary lesson in all this is that you need to be prepared to take care of yourself, because it is entirely possible that nobody else can or will, in certain circumstances.

Thanks!

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Suzi, Rancho Cucamonga, CA — Thu, 25 Oct 2007 01:31:28 GMT

oh COME ON there is a huge difference between this and Katrina, a city nearly completely destroyed, and San Diego's one in ten evacuated. Remember roads are open and most businesses are intact. Such was NOT the case in New Orleans.
I'm so happy to see the outpouring of support. Hey we all chipped in a little something for Katrina victims too.

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Betty ~ SoCal — Thu, 25 Oct 2007 01:32:55 GMT

Please understand that these services are being offered by the people who live in the area (not FEMA) ~ unlike a hurricane, these fires have not hit the entire state, or even an entire city. The people offering their services should be commended, not made fun of. They are offering the comfort that their skills can provide. I'm sure they would offer the same services to the fire fighters if they could get to them, but they are asked to stay out of the way so the fire fighters can do their jobs (and they are doing a great job, too!)

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Megan, Scottsdale AZ — Thu, 25 Oct 2007 01:40:02 GMT

I am very proud of the individuals and businesses that are volunteering to care for the fire victims. I do not think that it is "nutty" or "unnecessary" as some of the posters have stated. I think it shows great humanitarianism and compassion. Shame on everyone who is criticizing the state of California and its volunteers instead of commending them as they deserve.

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Sean, Little Elm, TX — Thu, 25 Oct 2007 01:43:00 GMT

Maybe the favorable conditions for the evacuees in SOCAL is because San Diego has a competent mayor and California has a competent governor. Two things that were missing during the New Orleans situation. And to think New Orleans re-elected that HACK.

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Linda, Las Vegas, NV — Thu, 25 Oct 2007 01:43:10 GMT

Please, for all of you that think everyone in San Diego are rich, white folks, you are mistaken. I lived there for 26 years, in Poway and Rancho Bernardo, and worked 7 days a week, in order to live there. And trust me, when I could get in a massage, I did.
It saddens me greatly to see my old neighborhoods go up in flames. Along with great friends, my family is still there. You parents can imagine the worry that I have been living.
I feel badly for the people of Katrina, but don't think these people aren't suffering.
San Diego citizens are positive, in the worst of circumstances, and the major and governor are very proactive. They are making demands and getting things done..
Some of those volunteers could possibly have lost their own homes and are offering free services and helping others. The people of that town will be working twice as hard to get what they have lost back.
Go San Diego, and enjoy those massages!!

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Tom, Virginia Beach, VA — Thu, 25 Oct 2007 01:46:39 GMT

This is no surprise to me at all. I lived in California for 3 years and this is the norm. I'm in no way making fun of California in anyway whatsoever. Its just the norm on how they get things done in that state. Now, when you compare this to Katrina. I only read ONE post that basically says it all in that regard. Its not the Federal Government that was at fault, its the LOCAL, STATE, and PARISH authorities in THAT STATE that are to BLAME. I don't see truck loads of food and water heading for California. Not all of those people that are in those shelters are wealthy. Most are normal everyday citizens of California. You will find all races and creeds in those shelters. White, Black, Asian, Latino, they are all in need of help. Blanco, Nagin, and all of those other idiots in the STATE of Lousiana are to BLAME. Its really funny how you have people that will always point fingers when something happens. LOL THis is already being blamed on Global Warming!!! LOL What happened is someone flipped a cigarette out a window, or a hot muffler, or even an arsonist has set these fires. Once again you need to look at all the tree huggers that don't want to clean all the DEAD brush and trees up too. This really doesn't bother me personnally at all. THings happen. People will move on with their lives and all of this will be forgotten about a year or even 6 months from now. This isn't the first time that wildfires have happened in California!!!! Wake up people,,,,the same things happened last year and the year before, and the year before that too. LOL *$&# Happens!

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Cynthia Johnson, Eugene, Oregon — Thu, 25 Oct 2007 01:57:10 GMT

The services were provided by people who cared for their fellow San Diegans, do no begrudge them that in a time of crisis. As a native San Diegan, it was always amazing how neighbors helped each other in situations like this. As for the victims of Katrina, it was a different situation but it is horrific to see that race and poverty played a part in the way they also treated each other. If they had not been surrounded and cut off by water I wonder if the situation would have been similar? We all need to help each other, and San Diegans stepped up to the plate.Pray for us all.

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Dawn Hill — Thu, 25 Oct 2007 01:58:30 GMT

Where do you guys get your ethnic information? San Diego and LA have more Hispanics than they have Whites, and both have plenty of Black folks, too. I live in Northern CA and my son's family is evacuated. The level of comfort is because they are HELPING EACH OTHER as people on the West coast always do.

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GMB,La Jolla California — Thu, 25 Oct 2007 02:00:56 GMT

We all learn from mistakes and it looks that California learned some lessons from past disasters. Kudos to our governor( who is accepting the truth and doing the task of HELPING) and ALL the rescue workers, and to all those who are not even here PLEASE don't mock us.

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Maggie, in really really WARM & SUNNY SAN DIEGO — Thu, 25 Oct 2007 02:06:38 GMT

What's with all the hate for SoCal? The people that have lost their homes WORKED HARD for many years to EARN what they have. Would you feel better if San Diegans were starving in the midst of a disaster? You cannot begin to compare the tragedy that happened in New Orleans with the fires in San Diego; they are much too different. What you can compare is the response of the LOCAL COMMUNITY, the MAYOR, the FIRE & POLICE, local authorities, and LOCAL FAITH-BASED organizations. All of the massages, goods, & services are being generously donated by OTHER SAN DIEGANS individually at NO COST.... NOBODY HERE WENT CRYING TO THE FEDERAL GOVT FOR HELP. WE HELPED EACH OTHER and OURSELVES. LIKE A TRUE AMERICAN! It was evident with the REST of the Gulf Coast as well. THAT is the difference between REPUBLICAN & DEMOCRAT. Blanco & Nagin made New Orleans a disaster before Katrina ever hit.

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Kristin, Irvine CA — Thu, 25 Oct 2007 02:07:20 GMT

I am sickened by the negative comments posted here. It is not that there is such a clear line between the "haves and have-nots" as some are commenting, it is a difference between other businesses and people in California coming to help their peers in a time of fear and stress. Don't criticize the people donating services and time to help other people cope with this situation, criticize the people in New Orleans who DID NOTHING to help their peers at an extreme time of hardship. Besides, whoever was down at Qualcomm grilling burgers and offering free services was just looking at this as free marketing. Everyone of those people who they provided services to will remember that and patronize their businesses again. Smart business if you ask me.

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K California — Thu, 25 Oct 2007 02:11:45 GMT

Another thing, these people in CA were smart and actually had insurance. No one had flood insurance in New Orleans. Its a separate policy. If I live in the middle of a hurricane area you're darn right I'll have the right insurance. People in CA are smart and know that every year there are fires, so they have fire insurance, and every year there are earthquakes, so we have earthquake insurance. I can barely pay my rent and I have those insurances because I know what will happen if I don't. It's a shame that there was so much damage and loss in both catastrophes, but CA will bounce back because we are resourceful and we are prepared. We don't sit here and say "gee, I live in the middle of fire country. I don't want to be prepared."

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Melina, San Diego transplanted from Ohio — Thu, 25 Oct 2007 02:17:34 GMT

Most of the donations, activities, etc were already in progress (here in Beautiful-but "smoky/ashy" San Diego) ...done so by the caring communities in San Diego WAYYYYY before the government got involved. All the clowns, games, music and acupuncture was volunteered!!! I agree it is a shame what happened with Katrina but WHAT happened here at Qualcomm is AWESOME!!! Many of these folks lost MULTI million dollar homes that they worked HARD to get. Why shouldn't they get special treatment .I did not get evacuated, but it still is absolutly incredible to see what this city pulled together when disaster hit. NOW they are in the process of getting teachers there (volunteers) to work on educating the children. THAT my friends is why these people are so successful!.

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Justin, San Diego, CA — Thu, 25 Oct 2007 02:21:44 GMT

A lot of these services are all volunteer work. My roommate went today to qualcomm for a few hours to see where she could help. This is the way San Diego is in my experience here. We just step up and help each other, even in situations where we try to keep that way of living up for the evacuees.

The main thing I've heard from all these people are, "if my house isn't there when I get home, then we'll deal with it." There wasn't any complaining or moping, but moreso acceptance, and knowing that the sun will rise tomorrow no matter the outcome.

Our Governor came through for all of Southern California in a huge way. He would not allow for a Katrina repeat, and made sure Bush knew that. GW probably only stepped in as fast as he did so he wouldn't have a repeat of what happend in New Orleans. I don't think the remainder of his presidency could handle another screw up.

So to those who imply that it makes them sick that these evacuees are receiving these "luxuries", there is a possibility that they won't have it tomorrow when they get home, so if there's anything I can do to keep their morale high, I, much like most of San Diego, will do everything help out.

A great thank you to the firemen who are working day and night on this, the firemen who were sent by our Northern California neighbors, to our governor, and to San Diego for coming together.

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Tess MacGregor, Orlando, FL — Thu, 25 Oct 2007 02:25:30 GMT

Glad to know that people, despite going through the firestorm, can still take time to LIVE. OR perhaps it is because they are dealing with this horrific firestorm that they more fully understand that life is about living - don't blame the folks of California for the disarray and chaos of the aftermath of Katrina. That's divisive and nonproductive. As for the pug - go pup go!

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Clifford Bishop, Santa Maria Ca — Thu, 25 Oct 2007 02:31:27 GMT

Naturally people will compare the fires of So Cal. with the Katrina Disaster. The difference is that We were not taken by surprise as were the people of New Orleans, after all the fire have been burning now for about three days and the Katrina hurricane came out of nowhere overnight (or did it?). How come the people of Florida dont get wiped-out like the people of New Orleans. Could it be that they dont have a Ray Nagin or a Gov. Blanco in Florida.

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Celine, California — Thu, 25 Oct 2007 02:31:28 GMT

I think it's silly to compare this to anything else! There are many caring, generous people in California who are trying to help others. Why this is a problem or why it is even questioned or criticized is beyond me. I am originally from Louisiana. I lived there the majority of my life and I see this as good people trying to do good things for others. Plain and simple. People here take care of others if they can. It's the culture here.

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mary anne tapia — Thu, 25 Oct 2007 02:33:40 GMT

its been interesting and enlightning reading all these comments.I'm a native of so. california living in ohio and can tell who has constipation of the brain and diarrea of the mouth. Its a blessing and a curse of the diversity of our country.
a tapia,columbus ohio

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Ky, Poway, California — Thu, 25 Oct 2007 02:36:50 GMT

As a native san diegan and a victim of these terrible wildfires I am angered by this article. Instead of saying hey look at the genorosity of these people who are helping one another you are mocking us. I truly believe what this says is here is a city in the middle of a crisis that is helping its people. Here are citizens donating much needed items, opening their homes and hearts, dedicating their time to make sure everyone in this city is okay. Its not a racial thing, its not a class thing, its not a sexist thing. Its a bunch of neighbors helping each other out. In fact in case you have not noticed its not the government sending all these supplies its the people. So maybe before you judge what is going on here you take a step back and look at the facts. As a city we are taking care of our own. That is who we are.

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John Doe, Ny, NY — Thu, 25 Oct 2007 02:37:05 GMT

Its the people that are taking care of eachother. Its not cuz theyr'e white or in Cali.. Like you say, its white californian people, that are taking care of themselves, offering their services (yoga/accupuncture/etc) and staying calm and maintaining peace. In katrina, everyone just howeled and turned to violance and theft.

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B Townsend — Thu, 25 Oct 2007 02:42:37 GMT

OK OK I read only three. I'm compelled to write.. Here is an Idea for ya...
San Diego? My neighbos. Would you kindly get a light bulb on... you all should charge on a drive in Drive. A Drive through to help the victims, make a foundation for the survivors of this FireStorm2007. Charge like half of what you would charge and give every dime to help build lives.
Bloggers sometimes Gettin your two cents in is good but blowing hot air is not what Californians need. We need creative thought.
Anyways to clearly state my Hot Air.
San Diego if you are offering plush prizes. Go line up in the parking lot of Qual Com Stadium and charge a small fee and do a drive through to help. Give every penny to the victims. Thats makin it happen Southern Style. Helping to the fullest.
My heart goes to all who've lost. I feel such empathy. I love Silverado Canyon and Modjeska it is such a beautiful place. I have seen such beauty photographing the wild life and nature. The little towns are filled with charm. It is a shame someone has set these. This person is a danger to society.
Ok. Thank you for letting me say my 2 cents.
Bon

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M Jandrey, Corpus Christi, TX — Thu, 25 Oct 2007 02:44:44 GMT

You can't compare what happened in New Orleans and California. Besides, it's up to the State to call in for Federal help. Maybe they learned from New Orleans and not wait so long to ask for help....
Why does everything have to do with race...

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Jason, San Diego, CA — Thu, 25 Oct 2007 02:48:36 GMT

All of the whiners are absolutely right. As I camped out in Qualcomm stadium's parking lot on Monday night, I was surrounded by millionaires in their limousines. And they were all white - I mean why wouldn't they be? It's not like we live 20 minutes from the U.S.-Mexico border. And with all of their money and social status, they decided against staying with friends or family or at a hotel. Instead, they pulled into a football stadium's parking lot to spend the night.

San Diego is one of the most ethnically diverse cities in the country. The notion that the contrast in response between the fires and Katrina is due to race is laughable.

And to bash people who have been kicked out on the street and their homes burned down because the local community and businesses decided to do what they could to help, by offering free goods and services is disgusting.

I can't help but wonder if this country had more do'ers, and fewer whiners, how much stronger it could be. At Qualcomm, I didn't sit and complain waiting for someone to give me a handout. You didn't see me in line for a free massage – and I’m not into Yoga. I felt bad just asking for water and a blanket. That's because I'm not one to ask for anyone's help. I get off my rear, take myself to work and support myself and my family. That said, when something like this happens, I feel great pride to see that the majority of my community has comparable values, and gets off their rear and helps out theirs.

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B Townsend — Thu, 25 Oct 2007 02:53:42 GMT

Orange County Resident. Fires North, South, East of me. Hot. Hot and raining ash... Blood Sun,, Blood Moon.
I need to comment further.
This is reply to last three entries above me.
Cleaned the soot off my things and looked to help.
Every situation is different. Every place is different. Every Catastrophe is different. Why compare. Take your energy and pray for calmness in California. Wild life has died ten fold. Homes and lives have been lost. People watched their homes burn in the canyon. They built board by board. Most could not afford insurance. There are a mixture of individuals in Qual Com Stadium. Rich White folks I beg to differ... they are in hotels and with other rich white folk. So bitch about the yoga and special treatment. If this is what we can expect when a disaster hits. Then we did learn from the past. My Sister gave her life to cancer sixteen years ago so that you today could have better safer treatment. So in times like these we are "One Nation Under God."
I guess we sometimes forget that.
Be wise in your writings. Make a difference and leave the bitchin for the buddies. Or girls night.
<<<<<<<,read the last three entries upward.
Thanks for letting me get my three cents in.
Bon

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D L Johnson, Bend, OR — Thu, 25 Oct 2007 02:59:38 GMT

There are a few issues that were not brought up in these comments. New Orleans was not the total result of Katrina...the levees under the control of the Army Corp of Engineers broke, which put the city under water. Consequently, New Orleans is a constricted city without a proper escape route. The fires in CA are called wildfires for a reason...many of them simply start in the wild and if the high desert winds are extremely strong, a fire can explode within minutes. At the same time, there is ample room to escape if forewarned. People are not trapped as in the New Orleans situations, but devastation is absolute and the after effects pertaining to the vegetation, ground, etc. are something to deal with for years. New Orleans is still the responsibility of the federal government...it's the difference between night and day!!!

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Jennifer, San Diego, CA — Thu, 25 Oct 2007 03:01:31 GMT

do some of you really believe that bush sent in all these luxuries? do some of you really believe that san diego is full of rich white people? i'm asian. i was evacuated. we are surrounded with not so rich asians, mexicans, blacks and whites. the houses that burned belonged to rich, poor, middle-class, old and young. natural disasters have nothing to do with race, you ignorant a**es! and local governments are in place to make the decisions that are pertinent to each state. so blame new orleans' mayor, governor and all other elected officials for not calling on the federal govt in time. blame the engineers for creating a crappy levee. blame the stupid people who didn't leave when they were told and instead drained the state of much needed resources elsewhere. shame on relatives of old people who didn't make it a point to evacuate their own kin. shame on all those people who thought they could ride out the storm and then blame everyone else when they couln't. shame on the media and this writer who put out so many false stories. and shame on all you who think that bush or our govt put together the luxuries that were listed above. that is our community reaching out, coming together and DONATING time & resources in a time of need. and what's wrong with having an abundant supply of food & water? isn't that a good thing? there's no winning in this country. everyone always has to complain about something. why not be happy that you're not in a civil war every day of your life...or that your kids aren't forced to carry a gun at the age of 10...or that you can voice your opinion every day of the week without someone hunting you or your family down?

just cause we don't rely on the govt for every single thing does not make us superfluous and superficial. all you people who are doing nothing but hating on us should learn a thing or two from us --- it's called taking care of yourselves! Try it for a change rather than relying on the govt to buy your milk for you.

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missy, rochester, ny — Thu, 25 Oct 2007 03:04:51 GMT

so many snotty remarks...why does everyone have to act like help is only coming to them because of their race or class? couldn't it just be lessons learned? i personally was in tears for days about what happened to those affected by Katrina and do not think the federal response then was quick enough by any means, but i do believe that since then first responders and local governments have been working hard to improve emergency evacuation procedures and follow through. can't everyone just be thankful that these people in southern california are alive and not trapped in their homes? it looks as if FEMA is better prepared this time, isn't that what we all would want for our country? we can and should learn from katrina, but holding a grudge about it is not going to get us anywhere.

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Lori J, San Diego CA — Thu, 25 Oct 2007 03:07:18 GMT

I live in San Diego and thankfully have NOT been affected personally by the fire.

I would suggest that folks who are posting ignorant critisisms remove their heads and know what they are talking about before hitting the submit button.

First....there is ABSOLUTELY NO comparison between the fire victims here and the victims of New Orleans. Katrina affected EVERYONE. People had to be rescued by BOATS. There were dead bodies. Not much food, drinking water was scarce. Neighbors couldn't help neighbors because they they were waiting for their own rescues, or their own deaths. I imagine Katrina survivors want to vomit when they hear these people compare the tragedy they are STILL going through to the fire victims here.

The county of San Diego is HUGE, and the fires have touched thousands of people. People that live miles and miles apart have been affected, but hundreds of thousands of people in between that never saw a single flame. Despite what the national news must be telling you, not all of the victims live in the multi-million dollar neighborhoods that you are seeing on the news. But of course, the poorer neighborhoods don't rate the national coverage, it doesn't make exciting enough news, and of course it's harder (at least I hope it is)to make jokes about poorer people losing their homes.

If anyone thinks that FEMA or the city or the county or the state is providing massages, or accupuncture, or accupressure to the evacuees, I have to wonder...do you have brains in your head???????

The people of San Diego turned out in DROVES to supply food, water, clothes, blankets, tents, toys, diapers, baby food, dog food, dog crates, ETC. In fact, so many people turned up at the evacuee centers to help and donate supplies that officials had to have the local news put out the word NO more! Does anyone truly think that any service that Mr. Savidge or other ignorant posters were referring to (massages etc)were provided by the government?????

If so....it's not Southern Californian's that need to get a grip on reality.

All these services were provided by citizens of San Diego that wanted to help out in someway, but likely were not financially able to do so.

I'm sitting here watching an 8 year old little boy on tv say...at least we still have our lives...as he's looking at his totally burned down house.

If you can't wrap your mind around the idea that neighbors are trying ease the worry, pain, and boredom that their friends and neighbors are going through, then I pity you.

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SDGal, San Diego, CA — Thu, 25 Oct 2007 03:08:18 GMT

Do you know that these services were provide by kind individuals-- not the government! Besides, the evacuation center is accessible compared w/the Super dome situation.

Also white is almost minority in southern CA.

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Armadeus, Olympia, WA — Thu, 25 Oct 2007 03:19:20 GMT

Repubs, Dems, Black, White, everyone talks...Thats where it ends. Firefighters and soldiers walk the walk, every time...so, for you WEB-complainers, get your butts out there and do some damn WALKING for a change.

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Shaun, Amarillo, TX — Thu, 25 Oct 2007 03:20:23 GMT

You know why california fire victims are the reason FEMA does work effectivley? California evacuees are white and know how to get along and only use what they need! New Orleans evacuees were black and wanted everything!! If you noticed, no shopping carts full of stolen items on T.V., only people sharing and caring!

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Jennifer Emick, Fremont, Ca — Thu, 25 Oct 2007 03:23:41 GMT

Go, California. Yes, this is what happens when we take care of our own, what you get when a state prepares for disaster and has adxequate leadership. This has nothing to do with money or race and everything to do with competent governance. Instead of criticizing, you should be applauding.

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Rue Starck Big Bear, Ca. — Thu, 25 Oct 2007 03:28:45 GMT

You've just got to LOVE those California people !
They are willing to give of their knowledge of yoga, massage, accupuncture , their LOVE ! I'm sure no one is getting paid for their services....
Californians know how to live a life of true spiritual nature....they GIVE to others !
Rue Big Bear, California

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simi valley, ca — Thu, 25 Oct 2007 03:31:33 GMT

hmm -- nowhere in the article did it say the govt (federal) provided any assistance, sounds to me like this media outlet wants to play the whole race thing or perhaps economic thing - just sounds to me that these people came together as a community. Personally i think its pretty ridiculous to compare with Katrina - for reasons others have stated - theres no flood or other obstacle to prevent homeowners or the ins companies getting in there - they have electricity and power... but what else would you expect of todays media but sensationalism to get ratings...

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Tracy (CA native), O.C., California — Thu, 25 Oct 2007 03:48:25 GMT

What we need to pray for is a bit of refreshing rain.

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Marie — Thu, 25 Oct 2007 03:59:04 GMT

I am not rich but I do have a caring community and am fortunate enough that thousands of community people try and are able to do their part to help others.

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Mike Cox, Coquille, Oregon — Thu, 25 Oct 2007 04:02:26 GMT

Most of the comments make me sick. Don't you think that people have learned since Katrina? It is a tradegy that New Orleans did not have the benefits that Calif has now but I am glad to see people learning from their mistakes or lack of being informed. Just because we did not learn from Viet Nam doesn't mean we didn't learn something from Katrina. Go California! Maybe other states will learn from this for their future disasters.

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Carrie Sox — Thu, 25 Oct 2007 04:02:29 GMT

Why do so many posters begrudge what we Californians provide for each other? (By the way, it's not the government providing the frills like accupuncture etc - it's private volunteers of course!) The big difference between this and Katrina is that there were still many people and services left untouched by the fire issues - so they could easily be of help. Good for them and that volunteer spirit! Besides which, for many of the victims, what they encountered at this stadium is just a respite from what they will inevitably have to face - possibly the destruction of their homes. And yes, they might have better insurance and resources to put their lives back together than many of the victims of Katrina - but is that such a terrible thing?

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susan huy, Ephrata, PA} — Thu, 25 Oct 2007 04:04:27 GMT

The operative word is not white..it is rich...you are rich..and you get it laid at your feet...you are poor, and no one lifts a finger...the same can be said of the survivors of 9/11...the rich got the biggest cut, the rest the crumbs...has always been that way and the US is no exception no matter how much we like to think we are...always surprises me that so many think of this as a nation under God...from what I have seen, we are no more christian that any of those we refer to as heathen....and a good deal of the heathen probably will stand better before a God, no matter what name he is called.

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Brandi, Corona, CA — Thu, 25 Oct 2007 04:08:18 GMT

I'm pretty sure that FEMA didn't decide to fly in massage therapists for the "wealthy" SoCal evacuees and not fly them in for their poverty-stricken counterparts in New Orleans. These are services being offered by other people in the community. And if the writer of this commentary wanted to be fair, he'd mention that most of the volunteers out there offerering this California style of assistance, are people who themselves had been through the devastating effects of fire 4 years ago. Instead of casting stones, wwhy don't we all learn about community and giving back?

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Bonnie Davis — Thu, 25 Oct 2007 04:23:45 GMT

When I read the comments to the article, it saddened me that people polarize so easily. There is no good or bad here, just a story and the character of california coming out. Cheers to the folks who were able to find peace at a time like this! Sorry for the folks at Katrina... these folks lost homes also!

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PROUD to be a San Diegan — Thu, 25 Oct 2007 04:26:05 GMT

You people are ripping on San Diegans like we are so privledged. Those services mentioned in the article were all volunteers. All the food, diapers, etc. in the stadium were DONATED by people who live here. This was all going before FEMA got here, because that is the kind of community San Diego is. We take care of our own. This was not the only shelter, there were many all around SD with the same atmosphere...looking out for our own. We do appreciate our fire fighters. They know that. THere is food and doantions at their command posts, but that wasn't what this article was about. I am sorry that people in Katrina were not treated well. This has nothing to do with money, this has to do with our commnunity banding together because it is a wonderful city who gives back.

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Laura Bonilla, San Dimas, CA — Thu, 25 Oct 2007 04:32:49 GMT

Thank you Martin for the article... I was trying to find out where and how to volunteer... you gave me the push... I close my office on Thursdays... so I'm heading to the stadium in San Diego... I am a Spiritual Counselor and Hypnotherapist... I am joining the "Cali-style" crew, as crazy as some may see it. I would do it in New Orleans the same or wherever I live... I just happen to live in CA, which I love!!!... Helping is a Spiritual matter... to help one another... to help whenever one can... in whatever capacity... to whoever needs it... rich or poor... black, brown, white... who cares? we are ALL one... Spiritual Beings having a Human experience... no religion... only Spiritual beings loving and helping one another...

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Bea — Thu, 25 Oct 2007 04:33:17 GMT

Being from San Diego myself, and going through the Cedar Fires in 2003, I have seen first hand what this is like. This IS devastating and there are tons and tons of people dislocated at this point. Who are you to judge if people who are able and willing go down to donate their time to the people at the shelters.

I'm sorry but I don't feel that SoCal is being treated differently because they are "rich & white", as you say in your comments. The little town of Ramona that burned down by no means is a rich city. Lakeside and Chula Vista are not rich cities.

I did see what happened in during Katrina and that people are still without homes and that things are starting to be rebuilt finally. I did see that the US did rally up to make money for the city and held NUMEROUS fund raisers.

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Stay Strong California!!!!! — Thu, 25 Oct 2007 04:35:38 GMT

How narrow minded and ignorant.....Its easy to always equate such disasters with this racial mindset. Its easy for many people to sit back and throw stones and say it because these people are white or are rich. The truth is there are many people who have lost, some of which who have the means and those who dont. One thing about people in Cali is that there are alot of REAL people here its more then Hollywood and those of you who sit on your couches all day watching the news and buy into to this media hype your worse then they are. Good, Bad ,or indifferent the other citizens of California are stepping up to help. Who cares if someones gets a freaking massage or accupunture I sincerly doubt thats what they would rather be doing is getting a massage.

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Dave Scotese, Riverside, CA — Thu, 25 Oct 2007 04:36:40 GMT

Who is paying for these things? Governments? Insurance companies? Evacuees? C'mon Savidge, don't tease your readers like that.

There's a lot of complaint that people who are well off end up with better lives than those who are not. Did you know that of all the countries in the world, the one with the greatest chance for a relatively poor citizen to become a relatively rich citizen is the US?

If you're not going to fault poor people for not being industrious, then you ought not to fault rich people for enjoying their industriousness.

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Vance Los Angeles, CA — Thu, 25 Oct 2007 04:41:41 GMT

Please. Some of you guys sound like foreigners who think EVERYONE in the USA is rich. While there are plenty of wealthy people in SoCal, there are plenty of middle class and lower middle class people of ALL races and backgrounds that are victims to these fires. Not to mention the estimated 2 million ilegal immigrants from South of the border, many of whom don't want to show up at a shelter and be counted. Understand the difference in what houses cost in SoCal vs. ND, SC, OH, etc. The median home price in L.A. county was recently reported to be $463,000. So compare that to your area's median range and realize that many of the victims are indeed your peers.
I applaud the efforts of both the CA gov't. agencies and the citizens of CA who are doing their best to help the displaced. Yes, we care about our own and yes we have a lot of resources here. But it is also no doubt the lessons (blunders) learned from Katrina that helped us PLAN for these days. There is no excuse for why Katrina-stricken neighborhoods have not been rebuilt, save for too many people voting for Bush to send all of their their tax dollars to the Middle East. Hopefully, recovery and rebuilding will be much less painful here. After all, we have to keepone of the WORLD'S largest economies going for the good of all.
My only problem is the ridiculous entertainment media trying to make the story about the poor,poor celebrities whose 3rd or 4th $10M home might be threatened. As someone who works in the industry, Gimme A Break !!

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deb, CA — Thu, 25 Oct 2007 04:46:23 GMT

Well aside from the obvious comparisons of wealth and poverty, I think there is the small detail of the New Orleans Superdome was right in the middle (or close enough thereto) all the flooding whereas San Diego's stadium is not in the middle of the conflagration.

And I somehow doubt that FEMA is providing the massages and yoga classes.

Katrina's victims were royally screwed any way you cut it though. Everyone watched that storm coming through and FEMA couldn't do a bit more beforehand to evacuate people who didn't have the resources to get out of town beforehand? Proactive is a wonderful concept.

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Bryan, Redding Ca — Thu, 25 Oct 2007 04:49:11 GMT

These people are receiving these services from their NEIGHBORS! not the feds. Why didn't Katrina victim neighbors provide? Why did those people wait for the feds? We take care of our own in California!

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Leigh Ann, Fullerton, CA — Thu, 25 Oct 2007 04:51:19 GMT

The reason this situation was different was not because the federal government cared more. Its because the local citizens and officials had their act together and didn't sit around to wait for FEMA or even worse Bush to wake up and grow a brain.

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Cheryl McKerrow, Johnson City, TN — Thu, 25 Oct 2007 04:52:01 GMT

I don't believe this has anything to do with being black or white, rich or poor, living in SO CA or in New Orleans. I also don't think that the government is as involved in this as much as some would like to think. It has to do with working together for the common good of all. The people of CA are all pulling together and those who are able are reaching out to those who have lost so much. Yes, I do believe that at lot of costly mistakes were made after Katrina. But I also feel like a lot of people were more concerned with "what will the government do for me?" than with "What can I do for myself and my fellow man?" It doesn't take money to clean up a street that is filled with trash and debrie, it takes effort, sweat, and working together. I feel bad for both New Orleans and SO CA folks who have lost so much. I would do anything that I can to help either. But lets not bash one because they seem to be pulling together better than the other. Lets just all learn to be good stewards. Take care of our earth, the animals, and each other.

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Proud San Diegan — Thu, 25 Oct 2007 04:52:16 GMT

This is not because we're all wealthy (most of us aren't), or because Bush likes white Californians more than black Louisianans. It's because a) we learned our lessons from the Cedar Fire fours years ago, (does anyone not from California remember that?)and b) we have a great community that is donating all the time, money and energy it can to the evacuees. It's not federal largesse. Any of you who think otherwise aren't out here, and don't have a clue. Stop reveling in your self-righteous ignorance.

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In Defense of Calif. — Thu, 25 Oct 2007 04:55:54 GMT

It is because of the fire officials and all other
personnel that folks are able to find shelter and try to decompress. Don't think that any one has forgotten what's happened. The fires are not like Katrina. There was no warning for that disaster for the folks. With fires there is a little more time to warn others and evacuate them.

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Deb, Mentone, CA — Thu, 25 Oct 2007 04:57:52 GMT

Not to rain on anyone's parade of assumptions, but the shots of folks at the Qualcomm Stadium showed a lot of non-Caucasian faces. California is not all "rich white folks." Puh-leeeeze...

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In San Diego — Thu, 25 Oct 2007 04:58:31 GMT

A million people have been evacuated. Many have lost homes. Those of us that haven't been evacuated do want to help in many different ways. Any services and items at the evacuation centers have been DONATED by those of us that are RIGHT HERE in the middle of this. All of us here know people that have been affected by these fires - they are our family, friends and neighbors.

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Stephanie, San Marcos evacuee, CA — Thu, 25 Oct 2007 05:05:19 GMT

Hi, I'm an evacuee from San Marcos and I am livid over some of the ignorant comments here. Partly, the national media hasn't covered the full story in it's full context. This was a fun piece, but here's the thing: all the perks being offered are largely by LOCAL VOLUNTEERS FROM WITHIN THE CITY! People, groups, businesses have come together to help others here. Katrina and FEMA have NOTHING to do with this. FEMA didn't put planes in the sky to help in the firefighting efforts - that was a state thing, and the struggle to get Navy and other planes in the sky four days after is a political game you will soon hear about nationally. MANY of the homes that burned were in a trailer park. Rich and poor here have been destroyed alike by this fire, along with citizens like me who luckily have their homes but are DEVASTATEDC by this experience. The comments here really hurt, and as "adults," you should be ashamed of yourselves. The Cedar Fires here of 2003 impacted how well evacuations did here. All of the good things that happened here are on a local and state level. Now if you'll excuse me, I have to help my neighbor.

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Auburn, ca — Thu, 25 Oct 2007 05:09:48 GMT

The differences between this fire and Katrina have nothing to do with race or mean Bush not providing extra goodies…All the aid, all the food, all the drinks, all the massages are DONATED from people within the local region of San Diego….also, the reason why the insurance companies are lined up in such numbers deals with the fact these are the CUSTOMERS which they are trying to serve…remember, many of the people in NO did not have flood insurance.

For you folks around the country with negative comments: Where were YOU when Katrina hit. Why did YOU not give the food, the drinks, and the massages like the California’s have given to their neighbors? I suspect those who feel NO was shortchanged are the same folks who think the government owes them a living for graduating high school.

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Denise, San Diego, CA — Thu, 25 Oct 2007 05:12:28 GMT

Oh please. First, these same services ARE being offered to the firefighters, policemen and national guard who are doing the heavy work. Secondly, the vast majority of these services being provided are by fellow San Diegans.

And not all the homes that burned were rich peoples, in case you hadn't forgotten, over a million people were evacuated, many of whom are poor and have left literally everything they own behind.

San Diego is also a very culturally diverse area, with large Hispanic, Black, Asian, Pacific Islander and Persian communities.

We've handling it better maybe because 4 years ago we were here before. We learned some hard lessons from the Cedar fires and thankfully our emergency responders have used that imformation wisely.

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Cat M, proud to be from San Diego, California — Thu, 25 Oct 2007 05:14:39 GMT

How amazingly spiteful. I realize the humorous slant, and indeed, a bit of levity during such a tragedy is not amiss, but how petty the writer and so many of the comments. A terrifying disaster strikes our homes and when we Californians rally together and support our friends, neighbors and complete strangers however we can; and may I point out succeed in truly stunning fashion, we're subjected to ridicule. Well, whatever. This is as offensive as FEMA trying to grab credit for the positive situation at the Q when we did it on our own. So thanks but no thanks, folks, we're doing fine without you. Like the previous gentleman said, this is California. We take care of our own, and despite what you'd like to think, we don't care what color you are or what your tax bracket is. If the rest of you can't keep up, then you shouldn't be throwing stones, you should be taking notes.

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Kathy from Brentwood, CA — Thu, 25 Oct 2007 05:17:23 GMT

These people have just lost their homes. Have a little compassion. If you think California is only full of rich white people then you obviously haven't been here. Shouldn't you be happy that people are coming together and helping one another? Lose the negative energy and ignorance.

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Calif 4th generation, Central Valley, CA — Thu, 25 Oct 2007 05:21:20 GMT

Katrina vs. San Diego...big differences.
City and County of San Diego organized and prepared, as is most of Calif, ready for earthquakes, mudslides, floods, tidal waves, fires, etc. State OES services also a major player in pre-preparations and testing. It's not just white vs. black, rich vs. poor, etc. We're prepared in Calif!

You don't see the Mayor of S.D., the Governor, or the local state assembly or senate members bickering about services, asking where is the Federal Gov't with $$$ and supplies, just looking for someone else to figure it out and help. They leaders were prepared, had supplies readily available, and the citizens knew where to go for shelter.

The Qualcomm stadium had major advantages over N.O, since the fire didn't affect it's power, water, sewer, etc. Luck or planning??? Some of the early evacuation sites further north had to be abandoned and the evacuees moved to a new shelter when the fire approached the first shelter. Got to have alternatives readily available.

Louisiana and other southern states weren't prepared, and they waited to long to get the ball rolling. All gov't agencies and citizenry in general learned a lot from Katrina and other disasters in Fla, etc. in the past few years, which makes these fire recoveries and shelters look entirely different.

Southern Calif style and our over the top way of life in Calif does play out in the stadium's shelter environment as described in the article. People affected are down, but not defeated. What we need now is better forest management and fire prevention to lessen the affects of next year's fires...we have them every year, always have, always will.

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Isobel,San Diego,CA — Thu, 25 Oct 2007 05:23:55 GMT

We learned out lessons from the fire experience we had 4 years ago. And I believe this is not about SoCal being white. It is actually a melting pot of different races and cultures from different continents of the world. When some Katrina victims were sent here in SoCal, we did our best to make them feel comfortable and welcomed.Still, this extraordinary treatment of evacuees is lesson learned from 4 years ago.

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Mike K, Escondido, CA — Thu, 25 Oct 2007 05:25:10 GMT

San Diegans aren't being GIVEN anything. It's the people of the city coming together and offering their services free of cost. It's not the federal government giving acupuncture, massages, and huge donations of food and supplies, it's a community coming together and helping each other like it should. Don't be jealous.

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Proud San Diegan, Ca — Thu, 25 Oct 2007 05:30:35 GMT

I think you all need to realize that all of these things were provided and/or donated by the residents of San Diego, not the Federal Government. Some of the volunteers at the Qualcomm Stadium were people who had been evacuated fom their own homes but had friends or family they could stay with and wanted to help others who had no place to go. San Diegans are incredibly generous and take care of their own. Also we learned alot in the major brush fires four years ago, in many of these same neighborhoods. Breathing this hazardous air for days on end and living in fear that the winds will shift and change your life forever is no picnic. Please think twice before you make judgments on someone elses life.

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ted deer, Elk Grove, California — Thu, 25 Oct 2007 05:36:34 GMT

The local government of SouthCal have done a great job in evacuation and in providing all neccessities for all victims. Although it is wrong and insensitive to compare this disaster with the Katrina flooding, no one can deny the fact that so many helping hands and the orderly response to the disaster Californians have handled so far. There is no crime or violent acts committed by the evacuees or police force in or outside the Qualicom stadium. It is the level of compassion and unselfishness that make the suffering is bearable to people who lost their houses and their livelyhood. It is the intact infastructure that give SouthCal the edge over the isolation of New Orleans when its infrastructure is totally wiped out by the flooding. So if there are more services are provided to the SouthCal evacuees for free, its not because of " blacks and whites" or "the havs or the have-nots" because not all the evacuees are white or rich like some other misconceptions, in fact most of us are ordinary citizens like majority of Americans, we just have a better prepareness for this type of disaster and nothing wrong with having some laughters when we feel down. It is not only the dog on the Harley-Davidson, or ten medical depots within the stadium for medical needs of evacuees from old folks homes or assisted living home care centers, but a simple note from an exhausted firefighter left for the owner of the house he just saved,"HOUSE SAVVED, SORRY ABOUT THE DOOR" just shows the humor and style Californians always have no matter in whatever situations they are in.

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California Bred, Vancouver, WA — Thu, 25 Oct 2007 05:44:56 GMT

Wow. This really makes me mad. The citizens of these communities are rallying, using personal resources, and offering to take care of EACH OTHER rather than sitting around, whining, and demanding that the federal and local governments do it for them.....and we're going to mock them for it?

These people are in danger of losing everything they have - and that fear, stress and pain is universal no matter what State you live in. Shame on every one of you who has made light of what these people are doing to stay positive and support each other through a terrifying time - which, by the way, will only continue on when it rains and devestating mudslides hit because all of the vegetation has burned away.....

What I predicted would happen has come true, TO THE LETTER. Our nation isn't going to open their hearts and rally around Southern California because, after all, they're just a bunch of rich white folks, and people like that don't deserve our sympathy, do they?

Good grief, people. How hypocritical can we be?

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j.smith — Thu, 25 Oct 2007 06:04:37 GMT

The people of california were donating money to Salvation Army and Red Cross for Katrina victims. Services provided for Southern CA. victims are being donated Via: Goods and volunteers by the people that live here.You cannot compare the two.Katrina victims were helped by other States such as Stadiums, goods and services donated from volunteers also.I think the Insurance companies learned a lesson from other natural disasters that have happened and are working to be of more help.

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CBreton Northern California — Thu, 25 Oct 2007 06:12:18 GMT

The two cannot be compared. We learn from our mistakes - it's appalling to even read such nonesense.

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KG, San Diego, CA — Thu, 25 Oct 2007 06:18:56 GMT

I would just like to say not everybody is rich & white here in SoCal. These fires affected all walks of life regardless of race & economic status. You guys aren't the ones who are actually here to see all this happening to your community. So keep your ignorant comments to yourself. It's devastating & we're doing what we can to ease the worry & burden that everyone here is facing. Would it make you guys feel better if we lost more lives, start fighting with each other, or sit & do nothing? We learned our lessons from other disasters here in CA & we prepared for this. We are not about to let this slide when we have the means to do something to help our communities recover & rebuild. What are you going to do when a disaster like this strikes your area? New Orleans & SoCal are totally different cities & environments. Comparisons help no one. Just to make you guys feel better, these fires did not hit the poorer sections of the city.

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Calm in the Storm, LA CA — Thu, 25 Oct 2007 06:19:37 GMT

Cheers to Ann in Baton Rouge! She was smart enough to realize the services offered were being offered by VOLUNTEERS, not by government. This is community. Remember before you compare Katrina with San Diego that the hurricane hit everyone within reach. The fires left a lot of people safe. They were lucky and they knew it and did something in return. Everyone I know there took in people who had to evacuate or had lost their homes. They had almost as many volunteers at shelters as people seeking shelter. The shelters had to turn away donations every day, they had so much. This is community. It is not specific to So Cal or Louisiana or Minnesota or Vermont - it is good people, offering what they have to give. FYI, a "million dollar home" in San Diego is not a sign of wealth, it is a sign of credit. Being within miles of the ocean, even if you can't see it and don't go there often, means the real estate costs a huge amount even if the house is kindof crummy compared to what a million dollars would buy inland.

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no respect for the haters, Phx AZ — Thu, 25 Oct 2007 06:29:20 GMT

All you haters need to just get over it. Yes, politicians learned from Katrina -- do you honestly think they wanted that disaster to be as horrible as it was? Get real! California is taking care of it's own and the feds are much more responsive now with the hard lessons learned from Katrina. These are very good things. Quit trying to make everything gloom and doom and quit hating on people who are victims. You don't have to be poor to be a victim - the loss of one's home hurts no matter how much it costs. Quit being such negative haters and start spreading some love in this world. We all sorely need more of that!

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Ceb No Cal — Thu, 25 Oct 2007 06:29:44 GMT

Maybe Mr. Savidge should put on some nomax and fight some fire on the front lines with the fire fighters who have been there for 36 straight hours, and then go help the migrant workers find a place to hide while their jobs are going up in smoke. There is no comparison here, nothing to do with haves and have nots and nothing to do with blacks or whites - this is a natural dissaster that is affecting more than a million lives, what is wrong with you people...

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Mr. Taylor — Thu, 25 Oct 2007 06:44:04 GMT

This is truly disgusting to read. Not the article, but the responses. I've just about had it. If you people don't stop with the bellyaching I swear I'm gonna puke. The difference between Katrina and So Cal is not one of race or even status. There are so many obvious variables, but everyone loves to pull the race card. (and before you say anything, yes I am black, and I grew up in the south and lived all over the world before making a home in LA).

I've said this so many times, I'm sick of saying it. Was anyone at the cleanup of Andrew in FL? Anyone remember Andrew? No... But I remember, cause I was there VOLUNTEERING as a teenager. That's right, PEOPLE, BUSINESSES and the government pitched in to help rebuild those devastated communities in South FL.

This week in So Cal (which is not the happy go lucky twisted place everyone who's NOT here thinks it is) I've never seen such outpouring of services and charity from PEOPLE and BUSINESSES. Even the Govenator was "hands on" all week (unlike Mr Nagin and the other government officials in Louisiana).

The tragedy in Katrina was just as much the city and government's fault as it was the Bush Administration's. Hell, that idiot George hasn't even been here (no one votes for Bush in CA, why would he show up??)

Furthermore, all my brothas and sistas who continue to draw weak comparisons to Katrina and twist it into YET another race game, allow me to ask... "Where were YOU after the waters receded?" As a Red Cross volunteer for going on 8 years, I seriously doubt you were there.

Look, the moment you wait for the government to bail you out of every problem, then you're going to have more and more Katrinas. It's all about community, charity, helping each other out. My advice is if you've never done anything other than complain about how "the man holds you down", yet never do a thing to help yourself (or your brothers and sisters) please kindly SHUT UP. We'll listen when you're relevant.

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Jennifer, Los Angeles, CA — Thu, 25 Oct 2007 07:09:35 GMT

Both Katrina and Californian fire victims we're told to evacuate.. Californians did and lives were saved. These services we're all donated, may seem odd to those who live outside of SoCal.. but it shows we look out for each other. And our Governator is doing an amazing job.

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Ed, Los Angeles, CA — Thu, 25 Oct 2007 07:10:24 GMT

As a native Southern Californian, I have to say "Shame on you Martin Savidge for your tone of mockery and disdain." Of course, Katrina was one of this nation's greatest tragedies - and the response by the federal government was abhorrent. However, these are completely different situations. Many of these people in San Diego were evacuated early on - therefore making a less "dire" situation - not to speak lightly of the situation though. Also, the services and good provided have all come from - guess who - other Californians. Major hotel chains and restaurants are hauling food out to sites, feeding the evacuees - and all the media can concentrate on is what they are being served? Who cares? How about the goodness that can sometimes show in people in these tragic times? Honestly, So Cal can yes, be a frivolous place, but I know that if I was stuck in an evacuation center outside of Qualcomm Stadium in the sun and heat - a little bit of luxury would ease the situation - and so might a costumed dog riding a motorcycle. You people should really think about the situation as a whole before making snap judgments about this state and its people.

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Thomas, Pittsburgh, PA — Thu, 25 Oct 2007 07:11:58 GMT

It looks to me like the people of Southern California are spending their time helping each other and getting out of the problem rather than looting and shooting each other and waiting for the government to fix their problem.

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ebonyalways — Thu, 25 Oct 2007 07:13:15 GMT

Unlike Katrina, maybe us Californian's have a little pride and respect for others in a time of need. You don't see our citizen's running around like crazy people. Most of the services offered are from people who just want to volunteer. Not the state officials or goverment. These are just people from local areas that want to reach out and help. Race has nothing to do with it. Hell, have you looked at the percentiles of differnet races that live here. Few are white and few are black. And yes, BUSH sucks and always will. But don't critic people in a time of devastation when most of you have never felt the scare or pain when you have to evacuate your homes and lives. You think these people want a freaking hamburger at a shelter stadium? I am sure they would rather be at home enjoying their lives. Think twice before you all judge!!!! Maybe US Californian's can set an example as to how one should act during a time of disaster. Watch and learn. Watch and learn!!!!!!

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CaliGirlForever, Northern California — Thu, 25 Oct 2007 07:39:53 GMT

Honestly people....this is NOT about RACE! If anything, the people of the US should be happy that after the tragedy of Katrina, our government has gotten their heads outta their you-know-whats and STEPPED UP! California comes in all colors....its not just "white" or "black".
In addition, another person pointed out that the So. Cal evacuees lived in "million dollar homes". Most EVERY piece of real estate in California is close to the million dollar range....and not because its extravagant or a mansion, but because the reality is California is expensive! I do not own a home....I rent. My rent for a modest duplex style home? $2,000 a month....and that is a bargain compared to others out there. The reason these homes are considered "million dollar homes" is because of the property values and equity. They have sky rocketed out of this world here!
Californians have a different way of life....we embrace each other and the differences that make us unique. If these people at the stadium ARE having yoga classes, acupuncture, etc....I think it is BRILLIANT! Why NOT try to give these people some normalacy during this difficult time? Maybe it will help them with the stresses they are feeling....the losses they have endured...and have a moment to escape from the harsh reality they are living at this moment.

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Scranton, San Francisco, CA — Thu, 25 Oct 2007 08:00:32 GMT

You Can Not compare Hurricane Katrina to Southern Cal Fire. One these People in SoCal are Rich with different social statuses, New Orleans were poor and regular working people.Plus did 1,300 people died in SoCal, NO! i dont think so. So, You cant compare

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Stephanie, San Diego, CA — Thu, 25 Oct 2007 08:18:09 GMT

Southern California has floods, earthquakes and wildfires with a fair amount of frequency, I'd like to think our local governments learn something with each disaster. Most of the amenities available to the disaster victims were provided by LOCAL businesses and neighbors. Not all of San Diego was without water and power which made the outpouring of generosity possible. I can't believe people would find fault with the spirit of giving by a community. Implying that race has anything to do with the treatement in the two disasters makes no sense. We are just another city trying to make the best out of a horrific situation.

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Barbara hooper tucson az — Thu, 25 Oct 2007 08:45:28 GMT

there are many poor in california, a large contigency of hispanics, well the people of all races in california seem to coexits better tha anypalce and that plays a large role in the lack of confrontations. plus this is fire, water is another whole ballgame, it is worse actually. all services get cut if it is water.

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Rachel A, San Diego, CA — Thu, 25 Oct 2007 09:21:32 GMT

I am horrified that san diego has been compared to katrina. Katrina was awful- hands down, a tragedy, and the superdome was one big mistake after another. The reason san diego has done much better is not because of money, yes, it helps, but the reason san diego has done so much better with evacuations is because we learned our lessons from katrina and other major disasters. Months from now, city, county, state and federal agencies will sit down, and figure out how to be even better for the next major US disaster. That's how EMS service learns and improves. The San Diego reverse 911 system is an example of that- after the cedar fires of 2003 we knew we had to be able to get residents advance notice. THe reason we have not had significant loss of life is the reverse 911 system. Instead of the petty have and have not conversations, we should pull together for the people affected- this pettiness doesn't help anyone, and is very hurtful to those who have lost their homes. Keep on going SD!!! ps- thank your local fire departments and dispatch centers- despite personal loss, they have all reported for duty- gladly.

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Lisa, San Diego,CA — Thu, 25 Oct 2007 09:29:54 GMT

San Diego is lucky to have many holistic medicine schools. I wonder how many of the "free services" were provided by students and other volunteers alike. As a grateful San Diegan I am proud of how many volunteers showed at all of the various evacuation sites. And of course noone can deny the suffering in New Orleans. It is good to discuss the differences. But San Diego was able to rally because we could. Our roads were not flooded and we did not have to experience the instant devastation of a levee failing due to a terrible Hurricane. I hope the evacuees of LA who have relocated to So Cal feel safer knowing that in the event of fire and earthquake we residents are fairly practiced. Many areas here are still blazing wildly. These areas are Military bases, Reservations, and rural communities. So let's encourage those prayer circles for all those amazing FireFighters, Police Officers, Public Servants and Military personnel who are will be working around the clock for a time to come.

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Jen, Fallbrook, California — Thu, 25 Oct 2007 09:44:15 GMT

All the idiots who think the government is providing spoiled brats with massages and the like are buying in to the spoiled, rich Californian stereotype. Don't even think the rich people stayed in the stadium. They all left town or went to hotels.I used to live in a mobile home, but it was burned up! Obviously, I'm not rich. As an urban area, San Diego is home to tons of minorities, low income people, and illegal immigrants. The massages, yoga, and other special things were provided by volunteers, many of them displaced themselves!!! Sorry if So. Cal. is a little friendlier than other places. I guess New Orleans didn't have a lot of yoga instructors, crochet artists, and other fun and creative people who were willing to help make a bad situation better.

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Diana — Thu, 25 Oct 2007 09:52:34 GMT

Oh for God's sake. Here's an idea: the reason they're receiving services is because they're stemming from private companies NOT the government. No, it's not that FEMA stepped up in California, FEMA isn't the one providing acupuncture services. There are so many other factors going on, first and foremost the fact that wildfires are a common occurence in Southern California so these plans have been in place - thanks to the LOCAL authorities - for quite some time. Futhermore, like I said, these services are being provided by the other residents of Southern California, NOT the federal government. If you want to complain about Katrina, be my guest, a lot of people fell down on the job and millions suffered because of it. But don't bitch about Californians doing well by their neighbors, especially when thousands of these folks getting back massages have literally nothing waiting for them when the fires are finally put out.

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Larry Atkins, Boston, Mass. — Thu, 25 Oct 2007 10:18:19 GMT

Ignorance is the only excuse to compare Katrina to the current fire storms - how dare you people compare the difference in services provided to money or race! There are many other mitigating circumstances that absolutely need to be considered prior to making such ignorant and asinine comments. 1) Californians deal with fires every year - therefore, they are prepared. 2) Californians take care of their own in their own communities - without relying on the government to take care of them - regardless of the emergency - remember the mudslides?? 3) Californians take the time to enjoy life - regardless of how good or bad it is. Perhaps some of you out there should stop complaining and drawing ridiculous parallels and go help your neighbors - volunteer, get educated, and stop claiming a race or socioeconomic card when it is SO oput of place. You should be ashamed!

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DJ, Raleigh, NC — Thu, 25 Oct 2007 10:26:16 GMT

Oh. When the media reports (showing pictures and video) lavish treatment to Southern California, it's making light of the situation. But when the media reports murder and rape in New Orleans with no proof, it makes poor people look like animals. Please don't be so naive to what the government does on a day-to-day basis. This is as clear as glass. Prayers to the fire victims. America is doomed to damnation because of its corruption.

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Lisa Marie, San Diego — Thu, 25 Oct 2007 10:38:51 GMT

Here is a less bias article. http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-qualcomm24oct24,0,6849140.story?coll=la-home-center These items were offered by other californians were there any other people in New Orleans-they were fighting for their lives too. We donated in Katrina but couldn't get anything to them. We donated here and could just drive it down. You can put out a fire but how do you stop a hurricane? You don't. Our governor declared an emergency, LA's governor asked permission do to so, Sorry No, the situations are completely different and have nothing to do with color. You think this sounds great, ok then move and work your but off to afford it. We will welcome you into our melting pot with open arms and a free massage weather there is a disaster or not. I'm gonna go tend to my infant suffering from smoke inhalation.

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CA — Thu, 25 Oct 2007 10:40:01 GMT

Most of the help provided at the Qualcomm evacuation center was NOT actually started by the government BUT from local volunteers that organized most of the aid. A lot of the food and water and blankets were donated by local San Diegans. You make these other services provided for the evacuees sound ridiculous, but is it so wrong that the people of San Diego are well organized and want to help one another?

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Fran, Oceanside, CA — Thu, 25 Oct 2007 10:48:37 GMT

Please leave ethnic racism out of this. Not everyone here is rich nor white. Hispanic/Latinas are now over 50% of the population. My heart goes out to ANYONE who has suffered utter devastation. When you've lost everything, it doesn't matter how it happened -- it hurts just as bad. By comparison, Louisianna suffered worse. Although, I will say, it was not fun here in Oceanside when, for a while, we were boxed in with the only way out was to the ocean. Air is really bad right now. I was lucky, and just thank God I didn't lose everything like some others did. Don't insult those who have lost so much by trivilizing their suffering.

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Jen, Charleston, SC — Thu, 25 Oct 2007 11:03:34 GMT

In speaking with my friend Donna who lives in San Diego -- She was so proud of the community for coming together in such a giving and loving way. It was overwhelming -- EVERYONE wanted to give and help in any way they could, so there was an overwhelming response by the locals in any way they could help just because they cared. It makes her love San Diego even more, though she knows there are tough times yet ahead.

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Gary San Antonion Texas — Thu, 25 Oct 2007 11:14:22 GMT

The goverment and FEMAis not paying for the services but the people themselfs are giving these services for free. The people in S.D. have road and power and the people in N.O. had no power and water all around so I do not think you can compair the 2. S.D.. Keep up the good work the worst is yet to come.Watch out when someone want to help you fix your home for a price that sounds to good, it just might be!

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rgig, Misawa, Japan (proud Navy spouse) — Thu, 25 Oct 2007 11:16:41 GMT

There is no way to compare the Katrina disaster to the fires in California. All the people who could help the people at the stadium in New Orleans evacuated and were unable to return to help. The massages and other nice things being offered in California are donated services by the community NOT PROVIDED by the federal or state government. Many of the evacuees are also volunteering at the Qualcom statium. Congratulations to the government for their organization in California. God Bless our Fire Fighters!

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Lynn, San Diego, California — Thu, 25 Oct 2007 11:32:51 GMT

Here it is 4 in the morning and I'm up because I need to check on the fires and of course the impending possible disaster with our electricity grids being down. I'm not sure why I took the time to read the responses that have been written but I found myself compelled to respond. I was born and raised in Washington D.C., lived in Seattle, and now in San Diego. Never have I found a warmer, more cohesive, caring group of people in my life. This disaster and it's relief efforts have nothing to do with race, or the have or have nots. This has to do with people that embrace each other when times get tough, learn from their mistakes such as Katrina and our own fires just a few years ago, and have to struggle day in and day out just to afford the same luxurys that many people all across the country take for granted...such as a reasonably priced mortgage. How simple minded of so many of you to not embrace a kind and compassionate people that are taking the bull by the horns and do the best we can do in the face of this horrific disaster. If you are not losing unpaid time at work, breathing this horrible air yet NOT turning on your a/c for the good of everyone while in smoke and 90 degree weather, packing your priceless things and trying to find out how all your precious things need to go in one car including your family and animals......then just keep your narrow minded thought to yourself. As I read this you all seem to forget or not mention one thing.....Californians as whole work very hard and yes, do enjoy the wonderful weather here. Yes there is a price to be paid for living here but don't moan about what we have as if we are the rich and famous.....that is a very few people for such a largely populated state. People of other areas have other issues rather than drought and fire....New York has being a terrorist target, the midwest has tornatoes, fla has hurricanes............but we all hold on to what we have dear and ride through the tough times. The difference is that here in San Diego people don't EXPECT handouts..........they work for all that they have. Clearly you are now seeing that they give generously of what they have as well. Stop whining, be thankful that you are not in this situation to lose a house full of memories, or a life of a family member and admire a people that are sticking together. Your selfishness embarrasses me.

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Bill K Yorba Linda, Ca — Thu, 25 Oct 2007 11:37:16 GMT

Go ahead and make fun of us. For what? Coming together.
At least I did not hear of any violence at the stadium,unlike New Orleans. Maybe we're a little wacko out here, but we know how to take care of our own. I just got back from San Diego and it was pretty bad. If you weren't there, don't throw stones at us. I wonder how you the critics would act given the same situation.

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Maria, San Diego, CA — Thu, 25 Oct 2007 11:37:22 GMT

This isn´t Katrina. Not all of SD county was evacuated. All of San Diego was asked to stay home from work and school, like my family. So the massage therapists, comedians, nurses, etc. - anyone who had the day free and was not evacuated - came to the stadium to see how they could lift their neighbors' spirits. Let me remind you that San Diego isn't all white and rich and being nice to evacuees doesn't have to do with socioeconomics or race.

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rebecca bogan, Potomac, MD — Thu, 25 Oct 2007 12:00:40 GMT

Quality leadership is elected by an informed, caring community. Look at New Orleans - that IDIOT was re-elected!!!!!!! That community had all the information they needed and then some to make the right decision and what did they do? The contrast between NO and CA is ALL about leadership or the lack thereof!!!!! You go CA - show the world what the US is really like!!!

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Amy Hall, Garden Grove CA — Thu, 25 Oct 2007 12:03:49 GMT

For those of you who believe that the help offered to the fire victims are due to being "rich, white citizens" maybe you should read up on the demographics of So Cal. I was born and raised in Southern California. Being from Caucasian decent I actually am somewhat of a minority. Especially as you move towards Escondido. The help/aid and quick response to the fire victims is due to preparation. Not racial profiling. We here in California take care of our own!

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Rosalie, Boynton Beach, Fl — Thu, 25 Oct 2007 12:05:00 GMT

My family lives in San Diego, and I travel there quite often. It is NOT all white rich people, but like any other southern state, a LARGE mix of Hispanics and other minorities. Are they mocked because they help each other, instead of looting and killing, would that kind of a scenerio, made people more sympathetic to their disaster? Maybe something was learned from Katrina, think about it without being so biased!

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Jose, Beaumont, CA — Thu, 25 Oct 2007 12:08:39 GMT

Why the comparison to Katrina? You can't compare the disasters or the response to each other. For one, our disaster was sporadic, a few cities here and there, New Orlean's wasn't. Two, why play the race card? The initial response was from the local governments and volunteers, where as New Orlean's government couldn't respond because it too was evacuated and volunteers were having a difficult time reaching the area.etc, etc. Three, wildfires are a yearly occurance thus more training and the response is a bit better each year, Katrina wasn't just a hurricane but also a flood caused by something no-one, but a few select, would ever thought would of happened and that was the levee's broke. Two totally different disasters.

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G.L., Philadelphia, PA — Thu, 25 Oct 2007 12:34:27 GMT

I don't understand the negative reaction--these "extravagant" services are the result of volunteering businesses, (surprisingly) thoughtful insurance companies, and individuals who want to help out in someway--even if "all they can do" is offer massages. No one in the stadium demanded these services, or felt entitled to them. Empathy & good neighbors are hard to find in our cynical society. This was a rare bit of good news.

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Matt Valencia, CA — Thu, 25 Oct 2007 12:40:14 GMT

OK...I am a native Southern Californian and thank God for that everyday! Especially when I read this! Of course Louisiana didn't have it like this...are they the eighth largest economy in the world? No, they aren't. It doesn't make us crazy or nutty that certain services are being offered. Yoga and meditation class and acupuncture are all normal things in life in Southern California...we have higher expectations and standards in life. To make fun of that is pure jealousy. To reinforce what someone said before, these services are being offered by fellow Californians, we take care of our own because we can afford it. We and the rest of the nation learned our lesson with Katrina--you can't depend on FEMA or Bush. And for the dude from Oregon to call San Diego republican territory...you've clearly never been to San Diego.

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Dick Downey — Thu, 25 Oct 2007 12:52:31 GMT

haven't really heard much about looting or plundering or pilfering in the areas affected by the fires...but it seems the calis are making the best of it...pulling together in the face of adversity...truly a good example of grace under fire...governator for pres...

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m e — Thu, 25 Oct 2007 12:53:36 GMT

Great opportunity for everyone to rip on southern california. Sounds like they have their sh*t together, and probably weren't waiting for the feds to do anything in particular. And since when does a pet on the news suprise anyone?

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Pat Larkin San Diego, CA — Thu, 25 Oct 2007 12:54:24 GMT

Having witnessed the apocalyptic feel of the devastating fires which literraly ravaged our city, I find "humor" in Matin's story. I also find solace in the fact a fellow Californian can entertain themselves and others while his home and possessions are being reduced to ashes. What makes California so great is we realize what is important. Family and "fun" are what we seem to treasure most. In comparing our city to New Orleans, its not race that seperates us. Its the living example of "community". We knew we needed to get out. We didn't have to wait for someone to tell us to leave. If anything, cell phones are now more popular today than they were during Katrina. They didn't get mention but they should as they played a huge role in communicating danger and safe houses. Friends and family were contacting each other and finding out "what communities were not being threatened". We sought refuge with friends who took in other "groups of friends" and their pets. We made the best of a bad situation. The whole neighborhood where my family and I sought refuge all had houses full of people who were being misplaced by the "fire storm with hurricane like winds". My point? We took action ourselves and "frieds were calling friends" to see if they needed a place to stay. We acted before the local officials. Ask not what someone can do for you, first ask: what can I do for myself under the circumstances and then how can I help others? We pulled together as a community should. We didn't wait for the Federal Government to step in. I love my country....but isn't it pretty much common knowledge that the Fed moves slow? Take responsibility for yourself. Use your brain before you place blame. As inept as you may think our Government Officials are, you do no good to take pot shots and critize them....you only compound the perceived problem. What can you do to help? The Katrina "victims" were only "victims" because they let themselves be just that...victims. Here in California, we have someone dress up his pug and place him on a small motorized cycle. In New Orleans, they put the Mayor on television for entertainment. The guy was a bad comedy act. Placing blame on everyone except himself. Making excuses instead of taking action. Is it the Government....or the individuals...which seperate how one lives and reacts to crisis?!

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Chad Trainum Albuquerque NM — Thu, 25 Oct 2007 12:55:51 GMT

Ever been to New Orleans? Katrina was like a bath for LA. Quit your whining. All that is written in this article is what makes our country the best in the world. The old cliche really works here "Love it or leave it...).

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Todd Flannery, Oklahoma City, OK — Thu, 25 Oct 2007 12:58:12 GMT

You have to remember that with Katrina, all services were lost. No power, no water, no transportation, no police, fire, etc. You can't compare the 2 disasters to each other. I don't believe it is FEMA to blame in either case. It took years to rebuild the Homestead, Florida area after a hurricane, and you can't expect any government to rebuild such a huge disaster in a month.

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Pat Larkin San Diego, CA — Thu, 25 Oct 2007 12:59:48 GMT

With such a major disaster....where are all the looters and the "rapists"? Crimes of opportunity abound....I saw houses with their doors left wide open....gals in distress....where is all the crime? Its back in New Orleans where people are more interested in taking advantage of a situation....than they are in being an advantage in a bad situation!!!

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EOC Staff, Michigan — Thu, 25 Oct 2007 13:00:09 GMT

Two Points
Although the fires in California are effecting a large number of people this is nothing like Katrina. Katrina obliterated all the infastructer for miles and miles. You could not drive 20 miles away from the disaster and find shelter. Qualcomm stadium is not surronded by flood water and total devistation for 50 miles in every direction.

Second
Local and State government has been working very hard post Katrina to be better prepared for large scale disasters. Many of the resources have been lined before the fire ever started.
I dont think I could even eat a free hamburger if I knew my house and neighborhood was burning to the ground. What a Crap article

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Dick Downey — Thu, 25 Oct 2007 13:02:06 GMT

it would be good for us to realize the vast difference in circumstances and unique situations that people are confronted with during natural disasters...hurricanes, fires, earthquakes, tsunamis, volcano eruptions, blizzards, ice storms, etc...lots of different scenarios...mother nature has a big inventory to choose from...

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Marci, A Central California Resident — Thu, 25 Oct 2007 13:02:22 GMT

The difference between the aid for Katrina and these fires has alot to do with how our local and state authorites just stepped up to the plate and took action for the benefet of the residents...Louisiana did not have those kind of people.....Do not blame California for someone else's failure to act!

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EOC Staff, Michigan — Thu, 25 Oct 2007 13:03:05 GMT

Two Points
Although the fires in California are effecting a large number of people and a disaster, this is nothing like Katrina. Katrina obliterated all the infastructer for miles and miles. You could not drive 20 miles away from the disaster and find shelter. Qualcomm stadium is not surronded by flood waters and total devistation for 50 miles in every direction.

Second
Local and State government has been working very hard post Katrina to be better prepared for large scale disasters. Many of the resources have been lined up before the fire ever started.
I dont think I could even eat a free hamburger if I knew my house and neighborhood was burning to the ground. How about a round of applause for the Emergency Opperation Center (EOC) staff for pulling it together. What a Crap article

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Kristen, Boston MA — Thu, 25 Oct 2007 13:15:47 GMT

Actually it seems like the biggest difference between NOLA and SoCal is that Californians stepped it up to HELP THEMSLEVES while way too many residents of NOLA sat back with their hands out waiting for the governement to bail them out like they have done for generations. The hurricane was predicted to hit and many people sat on their tushies and did nothing. The people of SoCal didn't wait to be burned out...they fled long before.

And I will say this again, the Californians stepped it up and HELPED EACH OTHER and HELPED THEMSELVES!!! the government is not out there offering massages and yoga. People volunteered. Residents from unaffected areas came out in droves to help and to donate food and clothing and necessities.

What happened in NOLA was a horrible tragedy and my heart goes out to so many people. But crying racism is getting so old. And I am no fan of Bush either but it is not his fault there was no electricity in the Superdome and it is not his fault that people refused to evacuate when they could helped themselves and others....

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Rob Jerimico — Thu, 25 Oct 2007 13:18:51 GMT

Wow...this is what happens when you decide not to shoot at the rescuer and act like civilized human beings. Take care of yourself and you get what you have in CA..Look for uncle same to spoon feed you like in NO and you get those results....

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Jeaniene Harvin, Austin, TX — Thu, 25 Oct 2007 13:20:37 GMT

You all want to make this ALL about the money, & the color of skin. I was born & raised in SD and YES I am a white girl but my parents worked VERY hard, my dad in a ship yard and my mom in a bank just to own a piece of the American dream. Everyone I know in SD is doing the same, if the truth be told most San Diegans live in regular homes NOT multi-million dollar estates like you all want to believe. The reason we are so well prepared is nothing to do with the government of GB but because we as Californians want to help. You still want to compare to Katrina, well think about the ground zero and how NY pulled together, instead of comparing it only to Katrina!

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John- San Diego, CA — Thu, 25 Oct 2007 13:25:40 GMT

I love all the prosecutors from other states! You haven't any idea of a wildfire that is at its minimum 10X larger than Washington DC. A hurricane and a firestorm may not be completely comparable, but the level of volunteerism and the competence of first responders (city, county, Red Cross, etc) is what has made this successful, not anything the State or the Feds did. That has NOTHING to do with money. It has to do with getting off one's ass and not acting the victim. New Orleans' first responders lay flat and did nothing. But they got sympathy from the press and while the Feds were held accountable for their many errors, Nagin and Blanco weren't- but I see Blanco has been replaced. That's the lesson here- make sure you have good elected leaders locally. Oh, and by the way, the massages are done by volunteers.

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Jerry Spangler — Thu, 25 Oct 2007 13:27:26 GMT

What I amazing that personal responsibility is out the window..People here were told hours or minutes ahead of time to evac..the people of NO were told days ahead of time and sat on their hand (or butts). Also, they do not have total moronic leadership in California unlike New Orleans "School Bus" Naigin, and that wacky lady who calls herself governor. These people were far from government dependent and it shows in the effectiveness of the evac. If you want a racial issue, then why do we have to hold some peoples hands and not others?

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Alison C, Los Angeles, CA — Thu, 25 Oct 2007 13:27:53 GMT

Enough already about the massages and stuff. People look for details to support their stereotypes. I bet that of the 10,000 people in the stadium, only a few are giving/getting massages.

Yes, it is more comfortable for the evacuees at this disaster than at Katrina. Bush and FEMA were terrible with Katrina. Fortunately we have learned. And we have had fires in CA before. This nation has never had a disaster like Katrina before. But after the dust has cleared, people in CA are going to be treated the same way as Katrina victims by the insurance companies. Those poor folks who lost their homes are not going to have it any easier.

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Tom G. Elsinore CA — Thu, 25 Oct 2007 13:29:59 GMT

All you need for a disaster to defeat the human spirit is to stand by and wait for help.

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Carolyn B, San Antonio, TX — Thu, 25 Oct 2007 13:35:59 GMT

I'm sorry your article did not make clear that none of the "services" offered were furnished by FEMA. Individuals, insurance companies, and the STATE of CALIFORNIA did this.

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Greg in Texas — Thu, 25 Oct 2007 13:38:16 GMT

It is not a fair comparison SD vs New Orleans, New Orleans was a "true" disaster where most Americans couldn't believe the way they were treated. If you want to be mad, be mad at the federal, state & local governments for not preparing don't be mad at San Diegans for pulling together to help each other. There are still 1500 homeless families who have lost everything as well. The media has made it sound like San Diegans are spoiled rotten when the majority are middle class hard working people struggling to make a mortgage payment on a 1200 sq ft home, not a mansion in Beverly Hills. All the services are donated by other San Diegans who just want to help.

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cheche — Thu, 25 Oct 2007 13:40:22 GMT

God said, if my people will humble them selves, humble them selves and pray, if they seek my face, ...i will hear from heaven and heal their land...God is with us, good or bad only God knows...

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California Native — Thu, 25 Oct 2007 13:41:52 GMT

What really gets me is all the negative comments about all the "rich white people in California" most of the people in california are not rich and not white so get your facts straight. More of the amenities are citizens pooling together their resorces and helping one another. Maybe the rest of the country should applaud that instead of pointing fingers. This is not the only timethsat Californians have come together during the Zaca fire buiseness gave free food and drinks to the firefighters. So those of you with all the fingers pointed, get a grip on yourselves. Good job to all the people that can AFFORD to help the evacuees, and everyone else in California that are doing what they can do!!!!!!!!!

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Janice, Wise VA — Thu, 25 Oct 2007 13:54:22 GMT

It is ridiculousto compare the Cali fires to Katrina. The circumstances are different. All basic services are still intact in the surrounding areas. Victims are able to access assets from banks, etc. I think it is admirable that the evacuees are cooperating and trying to find comfort in any ways that they are able..and providing it to others.

Of course, it is obvious that FEMA is better organized, staffed and supplied than previous to Katrina, but kudos are more appropriate and constructive than criticism for these improvements.

We continue to pray for the victims who must start the great task of rebuilding their lives--and for those who are still in the midst of fire and potential loss.

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BEBS SANTOS — Thu, 25 Oct 2007 13:55:28 GMT

Just to let everyone know almost all the things and services provided at the Qualcoom were DONATED AND NOT FROM THE GOV'T.It just shows HOW WEE CALIFORNIANS TAKE CARE OF OUR OWN.STOP COMPLAINING AND COMPARING US WITH WHAT HAPPEN WITH KATRINA....OUR PUBLIC OFFICIALS HERE IN CALIFORNIA HAVE THE BRAINS TO THINK WHAT OUR PEOPLE NEED. BLAME THE LOCAL PUBLIC OFFICIALS IN NEW ORLEANS ...WHERE WERE THE LOCAL PEOPLE OF NEW ORLEANS WHO SHOULD HAVE HELPRED WHEN PEOPLE WERE STRANDED AT THE SUPERDOME.don't hate us if oue fellow californians esp. san diegans give so much to their neighbors....IT IS JUST HOW WE TAKE CARE OF OUR OWN HERE IN CALIFORNIA.....AFTER ALL CALIFORNIA IS STILL THE BEST PLACE TO LIVE!!!!!!!!

Evacuees offered Cali-style services

Brett, Austin, TX — Thu, 25 Oct 2007 13:58:02 GMT

You can't compare New Orleans to San Diego anyway. San Diego is a beautiful city with people who really love to live there. New Orleans was a hole to begin with and should never have been rebuilt. Of course the evacuees are going to have it better in SD. It's a well run city which is actually prepared for a natural disaster.

Evacuees offered Cali-style services

Jenn B, Denver, Co — Thu, 25 Oct 2007 14:00:51 GMT

Before it's assumed that the people of california are terrible because they are receiving "special" care because they are white, remember that there is a large population of latino and asian people living there as well! Also, it takes volunteers to give massages, cook meals, even to lead yoga groups. What does that say about Californians? I personally think it says that they care about each others comfort more than their own! Think before you accuse! Also, don't forget that many of these million dollar homes are valued at that because of LOCATION! People love California because it's great to be there, of course it's gonna cost more!

Evacuees offered Cali-style services

Mary, Encinitas, CA — Thu, 25 Oct 2007 14:05:35 GMT

Not everyone at the stadium are "rich and white". How sad that would be a factor for your compassion to people in crisis. San Diego is full of great people who are helping each other through a horrible event. Thanks to all the people in San Diego who helped me while I was evacuated from my home this past week.

Evacuees offered Cali-style services

Russell Jones, Kahleefornia — Thu, 25 Oct 2007 14:05:47 GMT

I don't think the haves in California are just rich white folk. They are industrious Latinos, Asians, and African Americans, that don't believe in "poor me". The Left Coast deserves its reputation and all the negative racist, Anti-gay, Whiners are just jealous. The rest of the nation should their boys out Iraq and join us

Evacuees offered Cali-style services

Cathie , San Diego — Thu, 25 Oct 2007 14:08:12 GMT

As a resident of San Diego it amazes me to see the ignorance of others.We take car of our own here.We dont exspect or demand someone else do it for us.We have been thru this before and I am sure as mother nature does what she does we will be thru it again.We dont steal TVS when we are standing in 4 ft. of water.We donate time.money food and anything else we feel is in need.Have any of you Been to San Diego...its not now nor ever has been and Black,White, Mexcian thing here. Open yoiur eyes america and see how its done .I could sit here and pick aprt each comment but the one thing I cant fight is Ignorance and it seems to be running more rapidly then the wild fires.Oh and just a reminder we "califorians" as you all say lie its a bad word.took in went and got and helped Katrina Vitims.In closeing..don't hate those that take care of there own people.learn a lesson and dont depend on someone else to take care of you.

Evacuees offered Cali-style services

Larry K — Thu, 25 Oct 2007 14:10:02 GMT

Please try to think and reason. Was there disparity in treatment and services between Katrina and these fires? For sure. But the Superdome was isolated and Qualcomm stadium is not. It's not easy to drive your trailers through a flood. I am not offering excuses for our pathetic government. I just wish people wouldn't jump so quick to conclusions without reasoned thought. Oh yeah, this is America.

Evacuees offered Cali-style services

Grumpyface — Thu, 25 Oct 2007 14:13:14 GMT

When making all the comparisons with Katrina, try and remember that the California Gov did not spend three days arguing with the mayor and THEN--and only then, decide it was the President's fault. New Orleans STILL doesn't have a disaster plan...

Evacuees offered Cali-style services

Lee Perez, Fort Myers, FL — Thu, 25 Oct 2007 14:14:03 GMT

Please indicate on this story that all services were provided by the locals currently living within the vicinity of the disaster and that the first responders are the local San Diego city govenment. In New Orleans, the city was crippled, and there was no communication between City and State other than blame back and forward. There was also the armed local tugs that were walking the streets of New Orleans stealing and shooting everything that moved around. I do not believe there is a good comparison between the two disasters, other than a shameful Federal Gov. finds it more imortant to pour billions of dollars to the Iraqi cause and to help Iraqi people without a good accountability for that money, compared to the red tape, x amount of layers of bureocracy involved in approving less than pennies of dollars to assist our own citizens

Evacuees offered Cali-style services

Allie Earp, So. California — Thu, 25 Oct 2007 14:16:39 GMT

DID you see anything in the article to indicate that this was a government offering. It is offerings from the cities and people of So. California, free of charge, no strings attached. California sent people, food, supplies and whatever we could to the victims of Katrina. AND we haven't ask them to reciprocate now. So, quit your criticizing and comparing. You have no basis and NO right!

Evacuees offered Cali-style services

J, San Francisco, CA — Thu, 25 Oct 2007 18:31:41 GMT

I'm sick and tired of reading comments that bash my fellow Californians. NO, not everyone in California is rich and white. HOWEVER, unlike Katrina victims, Californians are GIVERS and not TAKERS.

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Mary Creekmore, Asheville, NC — Thu, 25 Oct 2007 19:16:02 GMT

Looks like CA has much better leaders than NO. And it wasn't FEMA giving massages - it was private citizens just trying to help. Of course, the liberals are all outraged that white people didn't suffer enough. IDIOTS.

Evacuees offered Cali-style services

Steve, San Diego — Thu, 25 Oct 2007 19:38:43 GMT

The Federal Gov had NOTHING to do with how well So Cal handled this disaster - get it now?
Californians saved Californians, simple as that.

To compare this with New Orleans is ridiculous! All NO's infrastructure was gone, its a lot easier to run from a fire than wade through floods, californians had places to go - New Orleans people were trapped!

California has dealt with this type of event regularly forever, the floods in New Orleans were century affairs but were badly prepared for.

Stop this comparison nonsense