Democrats shut out of Florida

Deb Murphy, Plant City, FL — Tue, 29 Jan 2008 16:52:01 GMT

I'm tired of hearing that the Florida democratic primary is a "beauty pageant". Every vote should and most likely will count. I'm an independent for Hillary and I hope all Democrats get out and vote today.

Democrats shut out of Florida

Dave Central Florida — Tue, 29 Jan 2008 16:52:15 GMT

I dont care if they did strip the delegates i still voted and used my head to do it i voted Edwards.

Democrats shut out of Florida

HS from Seattle — Tue, 29 Jan 2008 16:53:54 GMT

Way to go Dave!! Thank you!! Obama supporters are with you in spirit. Wish I could be there with you.

Democrats shut out of Florida

Opa2 — Tue, 29 Jan 2008 16:55:22 GMT

The people will still vote ands the winner will still claim victory. When all is set and done the delegates will be seated as will the delegates of Michigan. Florida was stolen in 2000 and was a close call for the republicans in 2004. Michigan was a close call for the democrats in 2000 and 2004. The democrats can not afford to write off both those states, which they will do by not seating them at the convention, and expect to win the general election. So they will seat them. The loser will complain bitterly but by that time it (hopefully) will not matter.

Democrats shut out of Florida

Jeffrey,Lexington,NC — Tue, 29 Jan 2008 17:04:44 GMT

I wonder if there is an agenda behind the ruling. Just a thought.

Democrats shut out of Florida

BJ Perez — Tue, 29 Jan 2008 17:07:42 GMT

something stinks "again" !!!!!

Democrats shut out of Florida

Sean Hagerty, Downingtown, PA — Tue, 29 Jan 2008 17:13:55 GMT

As a 23 year old white male from lower middle class who is inspired by Sen. Obama like no one has inspired me before, I would lose all faith in politics. If Florida or Michigan turn out to count, and go to Clinton that would be a gross injust on the American people. And if that were to happen and as a result keep Sen. Obama from winning th nomination I would be devistated. If all that happens the chance of me voting in the Presidential election dwindles, if I do vote there is no way I will vote for Clinton!

Democrats shut out of Florida

John Payne, Milton, Florida — Tue, 29 Jan 2008 17:18:02 GMT

I think it needs to be pointed out more clearly in the article that the Florida Legislature is heavily Republican and that most Democrats voted against changing the date of the primary. The effect was that the Republican dominated legislature disenfranchised the Democratic voters.

This points out a major weakness in our political process. While the Supreme Court has mandated changes to state laws that disenfranchise voters in state elections the same cannot be said for national elections where tradition has never favored the common man having a voice in who will represent his political party. By letting a relative handful of voters in four small states have a demonstratively large voice in who the party nominees will be we have created a system that is unrepresentative of a majority of Americans.

Democrats shut out of Florida

Jane Hayman, Clearwater, Florida — Tue, 29 Jan 2008 17:20:49 GMT

Cease and desist referring to the Democratic vote in Florida as a "beauty contest." My vote to a precious right and I abhor having it referred to in such a demeaning manner regardless of the cause!!

Democrats shut out of Florida

alan, baltimore, MD — Tue, 29 Jan 2008 17:21:43 GMT

Contrast the DNC shutting out Florida (and probably handing Florida to the Republicans in November) with how slick the RNC usually is, and it brings to mind the quote from Dark Helmet in Space Balls: "Evil wins because good is stupid"

Democrats shut out of Florida

kturtle, Champain, IL. — Tue, 29 Jan 2008 17:25:21 GMT

We in Illinois, feel the same way as Florida people. The canidates, did not feel Il. is important enough to come and tell us their views. They only care about the states that can get them elected. Again, the politics aren't about the people, just the power and money they can get for themselfs.

Democrats shut out of Florida

Sean, Mons, Belgium — Tue, 29 Jan 2008 17:26:21 GMT

Agreed. You would think a party called the Democratic Party would live up to its name; go figure. As a Democrat I am infuriated with Mr. Howard Dean and the DNC. This will have the effect in Michigan as it will in FL - taking the energy out of the Democratic base in those states and a missed opportunity to make the case to independents to go blue this year. So the people in Florida stand up and say "Why should a voter in Iowa have more impact than me?" and they get shunned by Mr. Dean and Sen. Edwards??!! So much for being for the little guy.

Democrats shut out of Florida

CHARLES R. TUCKER, CONESTEE, SOUTH CAROLINA — Tue, 29 Jan 2008 17:29:03 GMT

WELL I GUESS THE CARDBOARD CUTOUTS COULD DO AS GOOD OF A JOB THAN ANY OF THE CANDIDATES. LAST NIGHT AT THE PRESIDENTS STATE OF THE UNION ADDRESS, SEN. KENNEDY AND SEN. OBAMA, LOOKED LIKE A TOAD AND A TURD,SITTING THERE AND NOT RESPONDING TO OUR COMMANDER IN CHIEF, DO WE REALLY NEED SOMEBODY IN THE HIGHEST OFFICE THAT HAS NO REGARDS FOR IT?

Democrats shut out of Florida

Bill Warihary — Tue, 29 Jan 2008 17:30:55 GMT

Mr. Potter,
When you say the DNC stripped the state of it's 210 delagates, does this mean that there will be no delegates at the Democratic National Convention? And if not, then how will they be expected to cast their votes since on one voted in the primare. This is truly the most bizarre of everything that has happened in the state!

Democrats shut out of Florida

Jim M. — Tue, 29 Jan 2008 17:33:42 GMT

It seems very unfair, that the "punishments" were not the same for the Dem's and Republicans IN THE SAME STATE and very stupid, on the Democratic National Committee's part. They just gave the Republicans a huge head start on the general election in November.

Democrats shut out of Florida

Richard, Washington State — Tue, 29 Jan 2008 17:38:06 GMT

Isn't the chairman of the DNC Howar-duh Duh-ean?

Democrats shut out of Florida

MAYDA GARCIA, MIAMI, FLORIDA — Tue, 29 Jan 2008 17:41:09 GMT

I AM SURE DEMOCRATS WILL REALIZE THERE IS ONLY ONE PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE WHO WILL WIN NOT FLORIDA, BUT THE PRECIDENCY, THAT IS HILLARY CLINTON. TO ALL DEMOCRATS, LETS GET OUT AND SHOW THE COUNTRY WHO IS THE BOSS. SHAME ON YOU TED AND CAROLINE KENNEDY. YOU WILL BE SORRY. TO ALL CUBANS, (I AM ONE) GET OUT THERE AND VOTE FOR THE ONLY PERSON WHO CARES ABOUT US. HILLARY.

Democrats shut out of Florida

Jeff Pens, Ann Arbor, MI — Tue, 29 Jan 2008 17:42:58 GMT

The Michigan and Flordia State Democratic Party Leadership as well as the National Democratic Party Leadership should all be very ashamed of the way this entire affair has been handled. Their reckless and foolish behavior has resulted in the disfranchisement of millions of voters and has also made the Democratic Party the laughing stock of the nation. In the wake of this debacle, I for one call for their immediate resignation and/or involuntary removal if they lack the decency to do so.

Democrats shut out of Florida

Dale Cauthen, Spartanburg, SC — Tue, 29 Jan 2008 17:46:04 GMT

Both parties appear to be in full self-destruct mode with the Republicrats shortchanging the unemployed and the elderly in the pointless tax rebates to the Demoncrats pushing Florida aside in the primaries. Maybe they felt sorry for the Libertarians and are trying to give them a shot ?

Democrats shut out of Florida

WT, Tampa, Fl. — Tue, 29 Jan 2008 17:46:06 GMT

HHHOOOORRRAAAAYYYY! Keep the Hippies out of FLA!

Democrats shut out of Florida

Rich M, Mesa, AZ — Tue, 29 Jan 2008 17:47:06 GMT

So the National Democratic Party Headquarters felt that the State of Florida had stepped across the line in moving the date, so to spite them and all of the Democratic voters, they stripped away all of the 210 convention delegates.

So much for an equal type election process!

Democrats shut out of Florida

Ken, Hereford, AZ — Tue, 29 Jan 2008 17:48:22 GMT

Just like Democrats to deal themselves a death blow early on.

Democrats shut out of Florida

John Doe; Washington, DC — Tue, 29 Jan 2008 17:50:47 GMT

I don't think the campaign trail in Florida has been "cold" for Hillary Clinton. She's been in there like a thief.

Democrats shut out of Florida

Mary Keith, Fort Lauderdale, FL — Tue, 29 Jan 2008 17:55:45 GMT

I am VERY upset that my vote will not count. This is supposed to be a country where everyone has the right to vote and have that vote count. Is anyone out there interested in starting a class action suit against the Democratic Party for refusing us our rights? Please let me know.

Democrats shut out of Florida

Melissa — Tue, 29 Jan 2008 17:56:03 GMT

Ok, I'm not politically with it but does this mean Florida voters have no say in the presidential election? Doesn't the electoral college have the final say regardless of what the popular vote is? (the reason we're a democracy in a republic?) someone clue me in!

Democrats shut out of Florida

Patti B; Chincoteague, VA — Tue, 29 Jan 2008 17:57:07 GMT

The Clintons were fine with the "no count" awhile ago when they thought they'd run away with this nomination. But after a huge surprise in Iowa, and a HUGE loss in SC....they now want to again change the rules. They have become do disingenuous, so dishonest, so divisive ... it is difficult to understand any votes for her any longer.

Democrats shut out of Florida

Rick B — Tue, 29 Jan 2008 18:01:03 GMT

Aw.

Poor Florida Democrats. They knew the rules regarding when they could hold their primary, they violated them, and the DNC punished them.

Now they are whining that the punishment they called down on themselves is a mistake. Gee, I guess they are SO SPECIAL that rules don't apply to them. Sure the Republican Party, when placed in the same situation, gave the Florida Republicans a slap on the wrist that gave them essentially what they wanted, but everyone knows that rule and laws don't apply to Republicans. Republicans are not bound by any social controls.

and you at MSNBC publish the childish whines of the scofflaw Florida Democrats that they shouldn't have been punished when they were warned in advance and violated the rules anyway. But of course, the media would rather publish stories about rule-breakers than about rule followers. More "conflict," of course. This story is unbalanced and far from objective. Did the reporter even bother to ask someone who tried to enforce the rules on the scofflaw Florida Democrats? Apparently not.

Just let the scofflaw Democratic Floridians whine. They caused their own problems, and just because they're left out of the process, well, they have no one to blame but themselves. And come November, it won't make a dime's worth of difference.

Democrats shut out of Florida

Hong, Fresno, CA — Tue, 29 Jan 2008 18:06:23 GMT

The DNC's decision to punish Democrats in Florida is dumb. The DNC took away the power of their own voters and hurt their candidates. The way I see it is if I am a Democrat in Florida, I am going to register as a Republican so my vote will actually count. Then in the general election, the Democratic Party will lose some, if not all, of the voters who where Democrat voters. Very dumb decission.

Democrats shut out of Florida

mjn, phoenix, az — Tue, 29 Jan 2008 18:07:09 GMT

SPEAKING OF DEMOCRATS, WHERE IS THERE MENTION OF THIS IN THE MEDIA. Let's be fair.

http://www.latimes.com/news/printedition/asection/la-oe-kennedy29jan29,0,624676.story

Democrats shut out of Florida

mjn, phoenix, az — Tue, 29 Jan 2008 18:07:18 GMT

http://www.latimes.com/news/printedition/asection/la-oe-kennedy29jan29,0,624676.story

Democrats shut out of Florida

Dean, Wisconsin — Tue, 29 Jan 2008 18:10:14 GMT

Curious - if I'm a Dem and living in Florida does that mean my vote doesn't count? What if I prefer Obama over Clinton or vice versa? My vote then is inconsequential to the outcome in the primary. Sounds an awful like taxation without representation. The fact that any states are exclused from the primaries should be illegal. What happened to the premise of one man one vote?

The common answer I hear is that 'The DNC is making these choices based on...'. I'm sorry - more politicians making decisions without input from the people - brilliant!

Then again - I guess it doesn't matter what happens in Florida as the ACTUAL candidate with the most votes will NEVER be declared the winner.

Democrats shut out of Florida

Greg Darmenio, Tampa Florida — Tue, 29 Jan 2008 18:11:45 GMT

Where does the DNC come off punishing the voters? To punish the DNC all florida Democrats should vote republican. If it were not for the fact that it would be cutting off our noses to spite our face.

The DNC is not thinking of the voters. They did not change the primary. What deals did they make with the other primary states. How much did they take in graft.

Democrats shut out of Florida

Sander van Velzen, Zoetermeer, the netherlands — Tue, 29 Jan 2008 18:11:49 GMT

See I never got this. Were the democrats not contend with a sure thing in November. Are they trying to lose again. Michigan and Florida are important for them. I don't see how they can get them back. Especially after Romney had a field day lying his way to a win Michigan.

Democrats shut out of Florida

Edna, St. Petersburg, FL — Tue, 29 Jan 2008 18:13:29 GMT

This is an excellent piece that succinctly sums up this infuriating and insane situation. Howard Dean did an excellent job of circling up the firing squad, didn't he? Well, this Florida Democrat voted ANYWAY today and I hope all my fellow FL Dems will as well. Let's show the Grinch (Howard Dean/the DNC) that he cannot steal Christmas. We've been disenfranchised once, we sure as heck are not going to allow it again, especially at the hands of our own party. Vote, vote, vote like you've never voted before. Record turnout will send a powerful message to the DNC and the nation that Floridians treasure our right to vote and that our voices will be heard.

Democrats shut out of Florida

Sharon, Orlando, FL — Tue, 29 Jan 2008 18:13:58 GMT

It's a shame that Florida's democratic voters have been disenfranchised in such a manner. What is more important - an early primary date or the inclusion of our 210 delegates in the democratic process? Our representatives need to start representing us and not themselves!

Democrats shut out of Florida

Sharon, Orlando, FL — Tue, 29 Jan 2008 18:14:20 GMT

Democrats shut out of Florida

Jim Curry, Woodridge, IL — Tue, 29 Jan 2008 18:15:57 GMT

Yeah, and the Dumbocrats froze themselves out of Michigan for the same reason. And I thought that the Illinois Republican Party was stupid!

Democrats shut out of Florida

benvictor — Tue, 29 Jan 2008 18:18:28 GMT

We are hearing there will be 400,000 democratic votes cast and Hillary will grab most of those votes. If true, that is good for Hillary given she did not campaign there due to the circumstances you outlined.

Democrats shut out of Florida

Roy Fritz, Butte, Mt — Tue, 29 Jan 2008 18:18:41 GMT

If the democrats feel that Florida is not a good enough state to at least give them the message that they are important. That was a mistake. What major state votes are needed in the presidental election? When the politions argue like 5-6 graders over themselves and who is who. How can they deal with other countries in our growing world. We can no longer take our ball and go home for we are in this world with many great people not just a few senators ego's. Our country is supposed to be for the people not politians and not just certain states. For the states are run by the people not for certain parties. I can do this or that, doesn't sound very good when your state is becomeing controled by one party. If the democrats have everything figured out why can they only do what our country needs by becoming president. I'll only do this if you make me president if not then you the people will not get what you need. The state of Florida will stand for what it people want not what the democrats want to control.

Democrats shut out of Florida

Dennis Fitzsimmons, Winter Haven, FL — Tue, 29 Jan 2008 18:20:50 GMT

Apparently Mark Potter fails to realize that the Florida legislature is not run by the Democrats. It's controlled by the Republicans. Democrats shot themselves in the foot? I don't think so.

Democrats shut out of Florida

Brian, Chicago IL — Tue, 29 Jan 2008 18:23:02 GMT

It seems the dems are doing everything they can to get a Republican in the White House (and I am an independant that leans heavily liberal and dem). No campaigning in Florida. A divisive primary. And if they put up HRC as the nomination, what a way to mobilize the Republican base and push swing voters to the Repubs (sorry, can't vote for a Hillary. I need change, not a dynasty!). I would in a heartbeat choose McCain over Clinton. And to think, I would be looking very strongly at Romney, and even Huckabee. HUCKABEE!

Democrats shut out of Florida

Howard Johnson - Mill Valley, California — Tue, 29 Jan 2008 18:23:14 GMT

I am an independent always have been, but always vote Democrat. The Republicans have made such a mess of the country over the last seven years that it must be a Democrats dream to oppose them. So what do they do but shoot themselves in the foot on a technicality of timing in Florida voting. What on earth are they thinking of or clearly not thinking. The plain stupidity and myopia of our politicians at times is mindboggling. We cannot sustain another four years of Republicanism, but God help us the Democrats could very well end up giving it to them on a plate, if they continue in that fashion.

Democrats shut out of Florida

Biz, Salt Lake City, Utah — Tue, 29 Jan 2008 18:23:20 GMT

The DNC is an embarrassment and shortsighted with Howard Dean running the party. Florida may just prove to be the pin being pushed into the the presidential voodoo doll for the Dems.....again

Democrats shut out of Florida

Michael D. Hafer, Fort Wayne, Indiana — Tue, 29 Jan 2008 18:23:22 GMT

This looked like a move by the Republican controlled Florida state house of representatives to tick off the DNC and they fell for it, unfortunately. Moving the primary was all about politicking and had nothing to do with "giving Floridians added clout".

Democrats shut out of Florida

Just Wondering, Omaha, NE — Tue, 29 Jan 2008 18:27:01 GMT

FLorida residents why aren't you watching your legislature more cloesly? If can't keep an eye on your own state when they pass these ridiculous rules why should we let you mess it up for the rest of us in the National Election? Then again the DNC is being too harsh to pull all of the democratic tickets. If you pull one, then you pull the other, don't give one party an advantage over the other. I'm shocked the courts held this up. It just shows me more and more that my faith in our governement is eroding and there is favortism over one another. Nice Job Florida, Nice Job DNC, Nice Job Judicial System.

Democrats shut out of Florida

Amy B Portland, ME — Tue, 29 Jan 2008 18:34:52 GMT

No one likes Florida anyway.

Democrats shut out of Florida

jackie driggers, mexico beach, florida — Tue, 29 Jan 2008 18:39:10 GMT

The DNC and the Fl Democratic Party have done an injustice to voters. Many democratic voters in my area stayed home because the impression from the media was that democratic votes did not count. Therefore they missed an opportunity to vote for presidential candidates and more important did not exercise their right as citizens to weigh in on an important ammendment regarding property taxes in Florida. Democratic officials did nothing to correct these mistaken ideas.

Democrats shut out of Florida

gxsag — Tue, 29 Jan 2008 18:40:23 GMT

Duuuuuuuuuuh

Democrats shut out of Florida

Cindy, Gainesville, Fla. — Tue, 29 Jan 2008 18:45:31 GMT

The only reason I'm still a Democrat in Florida is because Florida is a closed primary state. Now not even that matters because this primary was closed to us by the DNC. I still exercised my right to vote, but I'm incensed that my vote ultimately may not count.

Democrats shut out of Florida

Andre Hernandez, Syracuse, N.Y. — Tue, 29 Jan 2008 18:52:11 GMT

The GOP will do antthing for a vote and the Democrats can always figure out a way to screw it up. Both parties suck but if people would become informed voters they'd see that a vote for the GOP is a vote against their own interests.

Democrats shut out of Florida

Danny, Utica, NY — Tue, 29 Jan 2008 18:54:54 GMT

Does anyone know why the Florida legislature voted to move the primary up in the first place?

Democrats shut out of Florida

Deb Philp — Tue, 29 Jan 2008 18:58:03 GMT

DUH. It seems the correct way to handle this would have been for Florida to follow or CHANGE the rules. That is what we teach our children. If you don't like the rules, then go through the process to change rather than defy them. The Republicans should have had integrity enough to follow suit and Florida would have been properly punished for their actions.

Democrats shut out of Florida

Brett A, Northridge, CA — Tue, 29 Jan 2008 19:00:28 GMT

This is a great article. I have been relaying the same message to anyone who will listen. I am independent (and very moderate politically) but can't help but notice how rather obstinate and hypocritical the DNC has become. The DNC has disenfranchised voters in several states... on an even larger scale... than it bitterly (and rightfully) complained about in 2000. The DNC's overly-emotional decision... will haunt democratic candidates in the general election.

Democrats shut out of Florida

Randall Nordby, Titusville, Florida — Tue, 29 Jan 2008 19:00:38 GMT

All the DNC has caused is that I will not be voting for their nominee in the general election. I will vote for the Republican candidate. I will also be changing my party affliation since they have sent a clear message they do not value or want my vote.
Former Life-Long Democrat, Randall Nordby

Democrats shut out of Florida

Steve, Sanford, Florida — Tue, 29 Jan 2008 19:00:42 GMT

Another example of Democratic party idiocy. The Florida Legislature is controlled by REPUBLICANS. No wonder the threat had no bearing on the decision.

Politics is like sports. Like it or not, it's about scoreboard, not principles. The party sacrificed Florida and Michigan, two big states, so as not to anger Iowa, New Hampshire, Nevada, and South Carolina? May cost them the election too. Oh...By the way...I got something from Hillary reminding me to vote for her today. Guess somebody didn't get the "no campaign" memo.

I voted today for Obama, like it really matters. Having cast all my votes in the state of Florida, it won't be the first time my vote didn't matter, and sadly, probably not the last.

Democrats shut out of Florida

Pat,Louisville,KY — Tue, 29 Jan 2008 19:00:48 GMT

It's time the national committees get knocked down to size. It is unconstitutional to disenfranchise voters. Even if the state Democratic and Republican parties violated National scheduling rules. At the very least, both Michigan and Florida Democrats should be allowed their regularly scheduled voting date. Further, it's insane to allow the Republicans some of their voting power, but to allow the Democrats none.The National committees need to bend here.

Democrats shut out of Florida

Kevin, San Diego, CA — Tue, 29 Jan 2008 19:05:23 GMT

Democrats need to seat the delegates and award them to who ever wins Florida's Democratic Primary.

We need a President who will represent all 50 states!

Democrats NEED FL and MI

Clinton WON Michigan 51% to 40%, but the media is down playing it!!!!

Clinton will WIN Florida, but the media will downplay that too!!!

The bias is so obvious, I feel like I am in the Soviet Union or Nazi Germany with the Propaganda--"Fair and Balanced"--NOT!!!

Clinton will win, despite the pro-Obama media!!

Oh, by the way, 3 KENNEDY'S endorsed Clinton--but you will NEVER hear about it!!!

Clinton has rallys of THOUSANDS of supports, but you will only hear about Obama's big crowds.

Clinton is cqampaigning accross the country, but the media only reports on Obama's where abouts.

Clinton has received over 100 HUGE endorsements and Union endorsement, but if ONE person endorses Obama it is the front page of every newspaper and lead story on TV news.

All I have to say is, WOW!!!!

-Kevin

Democrats shut out of Florida

Jared, New Brunswick, NJ — Tue, 29 Jan 2008 19:05:30 GMT

The Florida Democratic legistlature should not have broken DNC rules and left the primary date alone. Even if no there was no penalty from the DNC what would they have gained by moving the primary up? Nothing.
Perhaps in four years they can abide the same DNC rules as everyone else rather than make up their own.
As for the complaints that democratic voters wont be heard, well they have the general election to vote for the Democratic candidate we pick.

Democrats shut out of Florida

Scott Swift — Tue, 29 Jan 2008 19:05:49 GMT

I was personally astounded at the lunacy of the DNC's decision to rob Florida's Democrats of a voice in the primary elections. Any reasoning mind would be left flabbergasted and mystified. At the same time that we tout American Democracy as the model process for others to emulate around the world, we have disenfranchised our own - and this action has elicited a bitter taste in the mouths of Florida Democrats, our voices and votes silent and weightless in America.

Democrats shut out of Florida

Daniel I. , L.A,, Ca — Tue, 29 Jan 2008 19:08:21 GMT

Absolutely hilarious. I may be a part of the GOP but this years presidential race on paper seems very one sided towards the Dems. That is until they run their campaigns. Why piss off the forth largest state in the union. It just seems like the GOP just runs a much tighter ship, which could allow them to pull off an upset.

Democrats shut out of Florida

Philip Andrew Cline — Tue, 29 Jan 2008 19:12:03 GMT

FLORIDA DEMOCRATIC VOTERS OUT IN FORCE
Having just returned from voting at my precinct in Hollywood, Florida I can tell you while it won't count delegate-wise, the most people to express an opinion about a candidate, Republican or Democrat to date in this election (yes, Florida will produce more Democratic AND Republican Votes than Iowa, NH, Nevada and South Carolina combined) are making their preference known today. It would be stupid for the rest of the nation and the two parties not to take notice and give more "voice" to those that are wanting their voices heard.

Democrats shut out of Florida

Tue, 29 Jan 2008 19:12:30 GMT

GO GOP! You have got to be kidding, I would never put control of our country the the hands of Obama who has no experience and won't say really what he would do. Hilary are you kidding, again our country deserves better than any democrat.

Democrats shut out of Florida

Bloomington, IL — Tue, 29 Jan 2008 19:15:48 GMT

All though Hillary will certainly attempt to have the delegates reinstated, it would be completely foolish for the DNC to do so. There would be a severe backlash by Obama supporters if Hillary was to win the nomination because the two states delegates where reinstated. I really think if MI and FL gave Hillary the nomination, it would lose her the Whitehouse.

Democrats shut out of Florida

fdhd — Tue, 29 Jan 2008 19:16:47 GMT

Primaries are very important this year than ever since they have been very close. It is hypocritical of DNC to say "every vote counts" when Supreme Court stopped Florida on counting the vote in 2000, and now they do the same. Politics here have been big money making machine for the few.

Democrats shut out of Florida

C. Johnson, Richmond, CA — Tue, 29 Jan 2008 19:18:01 GMT

Maybe they should change their name to the 'Dumbacrats'! What a foolish thing to do - just give a state to the Republicans. And for what? To appease a couple of small states whose electoral college count isn't even half of Florida's? The Republicans will be laughing all the way to the White House!

Democrats shut out of Florida

Eric, NY, NY — Tue, 29 Jan 2008 19:21:16 GMT

What the DNC did to Florida is a joke and will come back to haunt them if their delegates are not seated. It will also be interesting to see how the pundits handle this as they stated Michigan did not matter but then super analyzed the results anyhow.

Democrats shut out of Florida

Alan J K, Tampa, Fl — Tue, 29 Jan 2008 19:23:43 GMT

I don't understand what the big deal is. So the Primary got moved, does this give them the right to strip the party of its delegates? I ten to vote repulican, but I don"t think it is fair for all the delegates to lose out.

Democrats shut out of Florida

stan schaumburg il — Tue, 29 Jan 2008 19:24:49 GMT

dems always think of a new way to lose with all the adds and money going into the state what chance do the people have to meet the democrats.

Democrats shut out of Florida

ER, Troy, NY — Tue, 29 Jan 2008 19:27:19 GMT

Wish that were NY.

Democrats shut out of Florida

Eli Bear, Detroit Michigan — Tue, 29 Jan 2008 19:35:22 GMT

The article's title is misleading. No Democrat was 'shut out' of anything. The Democrats shut themselves out. They'll pay for it come November, just like they did in Michigan.

Democrats shut out of Florida

Dan Davey, Commerce, Michigan — Tue, 29 Jan 2008 19:37:45 GMT

Message to the DNC: Excellent job! - You idiots have now disenfranchised more voters in Florida and Michigan. It is getting to the point that "no one cares" about the DNC or the candidates (especially the Clintons and the political hate machine.The simple truth is the wheels are coming off the wagon for the DNC and what's worse is they don't even know it! This is the last big bang for the DNC.

Democrats shut out of Florida

Cal, Chico. CA — Tue, 29 Jan 2008 19:44:22 GMT

The Democrats should just forget about Florida anyway. These are the same folks that let George Bush steal the election in 2000 and then STILL voted for him again in 2004. All this whining about being disenfranchised but they voted a second time for the guy who stole their votes. Flori-DUH pretty much says it all.

Democrats shut out of Florida

Dave Lake Florida — Tue, 29 Jan 2008 19:45:48 GMT

Vote Edwards.......

Democrats shut out of Florida

Kathy - Phoenix Arizona — Tue, 29 Jan 2008 21:24:38 GMT

boo hoo hoo! The Dems are whining again about disenfranchisement and a GOP conspiracy. You need to find new excuse for your idiocy; this one is all played out. It was the DNC who stripped Florida and disenfranchised the Dem voters. Dem politicians even filed suit against the DNC, but if it makes you feel better to whine about the GOP again, have at it.

Florida did it to themselves in their quest to be relevant. Maybe Florida and Michigan should file suit against all the states that moved their primaries and caused this massive reshuffling for self-importance.
Maybe we should launch the biggest class action suit in history and sue all of them for excruciatingly & painfully prolonging the primary process, putting all of America's mental health at risk!

Saw my first Obama commercial in Arizona where he talks about how his poor mother was diagnosed with cancer a few years ago and rather than caring for her health, she was consumed with how to pay the bills. The commercial is so phoney, you have to ask yourself why with such a successful son was her greatest worry the cost of prescriptions and treatment?
Was she all on her own? ~ What kind of son does that make him?

Hillary is worse, her commercials tout how she cares about everyone... BS, the only thing the Clintons care about is Power, and whatever silver and china they missed pilfering the first time in the Whitehouse. Even funnier, now suddenly she's got 35 years of experience, experience in what? Conning and conniving?
Thank goodness the GOP commercials haven't started yet. Something tells me McCains's ego has him convinced he doesn't need to campaign in Arizona. Apparently he's forgetting we almost recalled him in 2001 and 9/11 is the only thing that saved him. Hey, there's a campaign commercial....

From Recall to Republican Primaries
McCain - the stench that just won't go away!

Democrats shut out of Florida

Niels Slater — Tue, 29 Jan 2008 21:25:29 GMT

I believe the DNC went overboard in telling the Florida DC not to bother sending a delegation to the national convention.

Democrats shut out of Florida

Cindy Dobbs - Sorrento, FL — Tue, 29 Jan 2008 21:25:56 GMT

My nephew died in Iraq, so yes I will vote.I will be heard and I will count...

Democrats shut out of Florida

Richard Beckish, Pensacola, Florida — Tue, 29 Jan 2008 21:35:28 GMT

A couple of points that need to be cleared up:

1) The person who wrote about "scofflaws" has no idea about what the word means. A "scofflaw" is literally one who ignores an established law. The Florida primary was moved up by the Florida LEGISLATURE ... You know, the folks who actually set the election laws in Florida? Doing so was perfectly legal. What was violated was not any "law" ... just a Democratic party "rule" ... and the DNC promptly shot every Florida Democrat right in the foot just to prove they were in charge. The Republicans were at least smart enough to use a bit of vaseline.

2) No one was "disenfranchised". Your "franchise" is your right to vote in the general election. In truth, while these primaries have become ensconsed in our election system, the Republican and Democratic "parties" are really just a bunch of people who agree to back one particular candidate ... and the "primaries" are just their formal way of picking who to back. The primary winners win no office. So ... Floridians can still vote in the general election for the candidate of their choice, and neither the DNC nor the RNC have a thing to say about it.

3) Blaming the "Republican" legislature. Wake up guys. The Florida Legislature was simply trying to give Florida the political clout that it deserves. Moving up the election was PERFECTLY LEGAL. And as for it being some "republican plot" to "disenfranchise" democrats, that's a lot of typical self pitying DEMOCRAT BS. Get it right people, it was the DNC ...the DEMOCRATIC NATIONAL COMMITTEE ... not the Republicans ... that decided to take away your votes in the democratic primary. They didn't have to do so. Your own party shafts you, yet many of you SOMEHOW still want to blame the Republicans. Will you people EVER take responsibility for anything?

Democrats shut out of Florida

Bob R, Tampa, FL — Tue, 29 Jan 2008 21:38:15 GMT

Rick B (and all others who think the Democrats decided to change the primary date) - the Florida legislature, controlled by the Republicans with the help of Jeb Bush, passed the law over the objection of the Democratic legislators.

Democrats shut out of Florida

R.Thieler, Clermont Fl. — Tue, 29 Jan 2008 21:40:31 GMT

As a registered Florida Democrat, I'm upset that the DNC has stripped away all our delegates. The Republican party at least issued a more favorable penalty for their voters. It definitely effected my vote today as Hillary seems to be the only candidate to at least acknowledge that our votes should count and will work for reinstatement of our delegates.

Democrats shut out of Florida

B, raleigh NC — Tue, 29 Jan 2008 21:41:57 GMT

FLORIDA IS COMPRISED OF A BUNCH OF IDIOTS!! I AGREE WITH YOU CAL...ANY GROUP OF PEOPLE THAT LETS A MAN STEAL THE ELECTION IN 2000 THEN VOTE HIM BACK IN IN '04 SHOULDN'T GET A VOTE, PERIOD!

Democrats shut out of Florida

Donna Taylor-Phillips, New Port Richey, Fl. — Tue, 29 Jan 2008 21:44:35 GMT

I would appreciate people limiting their discussion to the issues, rather than make disparaging comments about Floridians in general. If I could afford to move anywhere else, I probably would. When our legislature was told of the consequences if they moved the primary, then the decision should have been made a referendum for the public to decide. Unfortunately, they did not and we all have suffered for it. As for the DNC punishing Florida, again the punishment was swift, severe and largely unjustified. When so much hangs in the balance, it is foolish to alienate so many voters in order to teach elected officials a "lesson." What exactly were Floridians supposed to do. Our only remedy is to vote as I did so that my voice may still be heard (though not counted) and make some changes in the next election when it is already too late. The whole system is bloated and crumbling under its own self important weight and it is the citizens that suffer for it. Maybe we would fair better as a true, rather than representative democracy. It is truly a miracle that Florida democrats continue to persevere despite national scrutiny and ridicule, even by those in our own party. Never before have I felt that my opinion mattered so little. Shame on the DNC.

Democrats shut out of Florida

Cindy, Gainesville, FL — Tue, 29 Jan 2008 21:47:24 GMT

Incidentally, it is worth clarifying several things.

1) Republicans do control the Florida Legislature. It was the Legislature that moved the date of the primary.

2) Florida's Democratic Party did consider moving their primary back to February, but there is an important constitutional amendment concerning property taxes on the Jan. 29 ballot. It was decided that moving the Democratic primary could be detrimental since Democratic voters might not turn out to cast their ballots on the amendment.

3) The U.S. Constitution makes no mention of political parties -- they were a later creation. The parties are like private clubs -- very powerful ones -- that can make their own rules. Therefore they can get away with all kinds of shenanigans in the primaries that wouldn't fly in the general election.

The Florida Democrats were put in an untenable position by a Republican Legislature, and they got absolutely no sympathy from the DNC, from what I can gather.

It doesn't change the fact that I'm disgusted with both the state and national party for throwing away my vote and thousands of other Florida votes because of a petty calendar squabble.

Democrats shut out of Florida

John Gualt, CA. — Tue, 29 Jan 2008 23:39:16 GMT

Given that the Electoral sustem of voting is crammed down our throats and we are forced to have reresentitives vote for us. Instead of a popular vote that is truely Democratic. I submit that the DNC is violating the Constitutional rights of the Florida Democrats. The comment made by Jeffery from Lexington, NC.questioning if their may be some agenda may have some merit and where the hel* is the ACLU when you need them.

Democrats shut out of Florida

Steckanov, New York, NY — Tue, 29 Jan 2008 23:39:18 GMT

Democrats of Florida: Democratic State legislators gave enough power to the Republicans’ initiative so that, with an earlier primary, they would all be feted and sought after. You let them get away with that because they hinted on the economic gains to be had. Sometimes a bad deed deserves punishment. In the best case, a punishment should fit the misdeed; play games with democracy and you loose the right to enjoy it. Time out.

Democrats shut out of Florida

TJ (Miami FL) — Tue, 29 Jan 2008 23:45:00 GMT

As a FL Dem, I'm pissed at the DNC. The Republican dominated legislature changed the date along with a republican governor. It's a lose, lose proposition. What do you do? FIRE DEAN, NO MORE MONEY FOR THE DNC AND NO MORE POLITCAL CONTRIBUTION and vote anyway. BTW, we have a constitutional amendment that affects our property taxes.

Democrats shut out of Florida

William Vaughan, Seattle WA — Tue, 29 Jan 2008 23:48:12 GMT

If Floridans are angry about this, they need to blame their legislature not the DNC.

Democrats shut out of Florida

Pat Lloyd Lake Como, Florida — Tue, 29 Jan 2008 23:50:07 GMT

What in the world is going on? Punishing the voters??
By he by, veryone is talking today abou the photograph where Obama's head is turned. If you really want to see a snub, find the recoding of last year;s state of the union speech. Somehow it happened that they were seated abou the same place one row apart. Hillary's look at Obama was the coldest, most condescending that she is capable of. I so not ant to see her with foreign dignitaries. She may be smart and strong but she has little control over her emotions.

Democrats shut out of Florida

mark dozbaba, palm springs, california — Tue, 29 Jan 2008 23:52:06 GMT

Hillary is trying to get Florida's delegates votes to count and I couldn't agree more. The DNC was stupid to do what they did. The price will be paid in the general election.

Democrats shut out of Florida

Jeff, Austin — Tue, 29 Jan 2008 23:52:22 GMT

The Clinton camp today renewed efforts to force the Democratic party to recognize the outcome of the Florida primary and allow the state's 185 delegates to be counted in a tight race.

Florida Beauty contest as described in the Media?

http://www.youpolls.com/details.asp?pid=1654

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Democrats shut out of Florida

John Martel, Sarasota — Tue, 29 Jan 2008 23:52:52 GMT

Maybe, the Florida Democrats should answer in kind to the DNC and send our future Delegates to vote Republican Next time around, even if the Democrats take the state

Democrats shut out of Florida

Paul, Sarasota, FL — Tue, 29 Jan 2008 23:54:44 GMT

I like Hillary tries to reach out to FL and the press rakes her for it lifts Obama up on a thrown for calling it a beauty pageant over and over. Suggestion is that Hillary is being political and Obama is being genuine. Please!! Obama is being political.. he's behind in the polls and doesn't anyone paying any attention to FL. At least Clinton has the brains to realize this is the last state you want to alienate going into an election!

Democrats shut out of Florida

Michele Milton, FL — Tue, 29 Jan 2008 23:56:23 GMT

Dems are the ones who think that rules do not apply to them, not the Republicians. It is just the typical poor me.

Democrats shut out of Florida

D. C. Edmonds — Wed, 30 Jan 2008 00:53:13 GMT

It's time for Howard Dean to go! We have had to endure eight years of this arrogant administration, and now the head of the national commitee won't seat our delegates? Stupid.

Democrats shut out of Florida

M Cohen Westchester County NY — Wed, 30 Jan 2008 00:53:38 GMT

Why is there no coverage of the Democratic "primary" on MSNBC? CNN is posting both Republican and Democratic primary results on the bottom of the screen. The people of Florida have a right to have their voices heard, even if the DNC made a huge mistake and disenfranchised hundreds of thousands of voters. This is America, isn't it? Beauty contest or not, it is important to see who the people prefer in Florida on BOTH sides!

Democrats shut out of Florida

B. Gillette, Vista, CA — Wed, 30 Jan 2008 00:53:41 GMT

Sounds like a damn catch twenty two. I just love that we have bombed, invaded, occupied,spending billions of dollars, and that mothers, sons, daughters, fathers, loved ones, are giving their lives, limbs, and faces to spread our wonderful corrupt democracy. We are a mess.

Democrats shut out of Florida

Jim Bark — Wed, 30 Jan 2008 00:54:02 GMT

It's amazing that the central committee (DNC) has decided that Michigan's and Florida's votes don't count because they did not follow the party line. They are a party of the people = right. So was Stalin's party one of the people. Let the drooling fool who is the party chairman disinfranchise the slaves who don't step in line. I am still going to decide when the final vote comes to be and they won't buy my vote.

Democrats shut out of Florida

Neil — Wed, 30 Jan 2008 00:54:38 GMT

Both Michigan and Florida deserve to be striped of their delegates. They knew they were going against the wishes of the National parties and did it anyway. If the National parties don't put and end to all the moving around then it will be changing ever year forever. Not everyone can be first.....there are 50 states..........are all 50 gonna fight for position every year?

my only problem is that the Republican and Democratic parties didn't take the same course of action. The National Republican party wimped out....all delegates should have been removed from both parties

Democrats shut out of Florida

Peyton McArthur — Wed, 30 Jan 2008 00:55:08 GMT

If MSNBCis going to ignore 100,000's Florida Democrats, I guess I'll ignore MSNBC - good night and good bye - go to CNN for real coverage of the Florida election.

Democrats shut out of Florida

Charlie — Wed, 30 Jan 2008 00:56:03 GMT

It is not fair to leave florida folks behind. Remeber we just past the bill "No kids left behind". That is a law. The DNC violates the law. Sue it to supeme court. Let Justices vote to choose a GOP as a president (not Bush) again this year. hehe

Democrats shut out of Florida

Piry, Crawfordville, Florida — Wed, 30 Jan 2008 01:09:42 GMT

That is what happens when you get an idiot like Howard Dean as a chairman of the national democratic party. Did vote in Florida early vote two weeks ago. To the National party bite me, dont cry when you lose the election and want our votes.

Democrats shut out of Florida

TOM FAZIO — Wed, 30 Jan 2008 01:10:40 GMT

Hillary will be the next Pres. She is the best and Ilove her..With Bill, the two of them will put the US back on this earth....

Democrats shut out of Florida

Raykwon Tampa, FL — Wed, 30 Jan 2008 01:11:37 GMT

I am a 22 black voter and refuse to vote for Obama. I am a democrat and by all means prefer Clinton or Edwards. I would surely vote for a black candidate if I did not have any suspicions about them having Islamic ties which may backfire on this country. One must ask why Obama covers up his upbringing by his muslim stepfather from Indonesia. I am not confident about his motives. I would love to vote for a fellow black man...however not one who is shady about his past...

Democrats shut out of Florida

Ed — Wed, 30 Jan 2008 01:13:21 GMT

I believe it is time to remind all of you of the Third Great Lie.

"Hi, I'm from the government and I'm here to help you."
You can apply this to each political party!

Democrats shut out of Florida

Casey, AC, NJ — Wed, 30 Jan 2008 01:14:19 GMT

CNN likes to focus on race, but I want to see the age breakdown for the Democratic side. As an Obama supporter, that is far more important to me than race.

Democrats shut out of Florida

STEVE ONEAL, MOUNT AIRY N.C. — Wed, 30 Jan 2008 14:44:37 GMT

DEM. OR REP. I CANNOT UNDERSTAND WHY ANYONE WOULD VOTE FOR A MAN WHO REFUSES TO SAY THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE OF OUR GTREAT COUNTRY.HOW ON EARTH DID HE GET TO WHERE HE IS TODAY. AMERICANS YOU BETTER WAKE UP.HOW COULD YOU POSSIBLY VOTE FOR OBAMA.

Democrats shut out of Florida

Blanche Snyder Florida — Wed, 30 Jan 2008 14:59:45 GMT

I'm tried of hearing that our votes did not count. They counted to us who voted. We want our voice heard. The news media are disgusting with their comments that this is a beauty contest. Do not belittle us like that. Everyone had a chance. Obama rans adds on tv, so he had his chance. He's a poor loser. And the person who really cares for people of color and hispanics is Hillary. The Kennedys don't care about anyone but theirselves. Look at the scandals in their lives. They have so much money they know what the cost of milk and bread are. I bet Hillary does. Please stop insulting my vote.

Democrats shut out of Florida

Paul V. Ierino — Wed, 30 Jan 2008 15:00:15 GMT

I know a lot people who rarely vote. They usually say "my vote doesn't make a difference". For awhile, I couldn't see their reasoning.....until now. "We the People"?

Democrats shut out of Florida

Tom Dundee, Aberdeen SD — Wed, 30 Jan 2008 15:02:55 GMT

It is unfortunate that the Democrats lost their 210 votes for the party convention. However, rules are rules & society needs rules to maintain a semblance of order. It is not like the FL Dems were caught unaware of the consequences of an early primary.

The underlying cause of this situation is the "me first" or "I am entitled to my time in the Sun" syndrome.

It is a myth that FL, or CA which also whined, would lose out on their chance to influence the election with a later primary. 27 electoral votes or 210 Dem convention votes says otherwise.

Democrats shut out of Florida

Eddy, Newark, DE — Wed, 30 Jan 2008 15:06:08 GMT

Further proof that the Dem party truly believes the people are too stupid too make there own decisions.

Just a preview of things to come......

Democrats shut out of Florida

Maria, Miami, FL — Wed, 30 Jan 2008 15:52:53 GMT

Hey Rick, why should I be punished??? Was I the one who decided that I didnt want the date moved??? NO, SOMEONE DECIDED FOR ME. So why the hell should i be punished???

Democrats shut out of Florida

Skootz in Florida — Wed, 30 Jan 2008 17:54:33 GMT

Unfortunately, the average citizen is walked over by higher ups. All we can do is try. I work the voting polls, (NO, not the ones that were screwed up in Southern Florida) and we did all we could to give everyone a fair chance on our level and if the higher up kill our votes, at least we tried. The vote of the people is almost gone. It seems to be about the money. Also unfortunate, by being a closed primary state, a lot of uninformed voters(young, first timers or new to the state) were left out in the cold. Independent voters could not vote for a candidate, nor could Non partisan, etc. Again, at least we did our part on our level to try. Oh, and if you don't like Florida as a state, we don't care; there are plenty of other places to live and visit. It's OK, we love it, anyway.

Democrats shut out of Florida

Rebecca — Wed, 30 Jan 2008 18:46:25 GMT

First I just want to say that I LOVE MSNBC...Especially Keith :) If you watched MSNBC last night you wouldnt hardly have known that there was a Florida election. I especially liked when they cut off her utterly profane victory speech! How can you have a victory speech when there was nothing to be victorious over? Floridians voted for a Tax relief amendment and we had to pick someone or the ballot would not have counted!!! The only one who really won yesterday was Charlie Crist...who is a Republican that I think I might actually have to admit liking.

Democrats shut out of Florida

ml jolly, sugarloaf key — Wed, 30 Jan 2008 19:41:32 GMT

I am a florida resident, voted absentee Democratic primary. Wondering how/why the Republican controlled legislature who changed our primary date has not been held acccountable? Oddly, the republicans have only been penalized currently by the loss of half of their votes...Again the republicans in Florida have discounted the democratic vote...for shame.