Mothers tell their side of polygamy story

CaptJaneway Texas — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 16:10:15 GMT

I can't say about the original complainer, but since there were a number of young girls, around 13 or 14 years old, who were pregnant or had children already, it is beyond doubt that at least some girls were pressured into underage sex. Different countries have different standards for when a child becomes a woman and can legally marry, but in Texas marriage is illegal before the age of 16, which means that even "consensual" sex before 16 is illegal.

Mothers tell their side of polygamy story

RM, San Antonio, TX — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 16:11:57 GMT

Everyone should keep in mind that having sex with an underaged individual in Texas is a felony! The law is there for a reason - protecting the underaged until they are of age to understand completely the related consequences. That transcends any practices or beliefs that hurt others. I feel sorry for the mothers - but they put their children in postion to be violated. I am not sure re-uniting these children with their mom is in the best interest of the children. It is about the kids now - not the moms. On a case by case basis, this needs to be examined. Every resource possible needs to be put against these - agencies need to transcend boundaries and take care of these young people.

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Paul Anderson, Indialantic, FL — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 16:22:53 GMT

I do not agree with the religious beliefs of this sect at all. But it appears to me that the government, with very little in the way of proof, have detained individuals and divided families. Not that we practice much in our constitution anyways, after all, we are at war without delcaration, running secret prisons and holding captured soldiers against international agreements, but the right to ones house and property are guarantees that are the hallmark of the foundation of our country. I am worried that the government has intervened only because pulic opinion would be with them because of the disdain for the peoples beliefs, not because of any real crime that has occurred. The object of this investigation, the girl, has yet to be found, and the gentleman accused of the acts has been on parloe in another state, thus watched and not able to committ this crime. This looks much more like religious persecution than it does a criminal investigation. I am worried that we have usurped the constitution and everything it stands for!

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Mike Sacramento — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 16:26:31 GMT

The Pope and Catholic priests must be arrested for accomplice to the rape, of the minor children sexually abused by priests. Catholic children should be taken into custody by the state and sent to foster homes. If Mormons are to be treated this way by the state, then Catholics should be treated the same way to avoid allegations of religious discrimination. Maybe Baptists have decided the Mormons are weaker, and have decided to attack the Mormons for the time being, they will attack Catholic families later. The Baptists have "Baptist Child Family Division Incident Commanders" yes the Baptists are using military designations for their staff who wage war on families of other religions.

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Tue, 15 Apr 2008 16:27:46 GMT

They are free to leave but they are so brainwashed that they cannot leave. And their children suffer the same fate.

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John Coos Bay — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 16:28:16 GMT

Once more the government doing a knee jerk reaction and holding the children as hostages.They just needed an excuse to raid them. Being as large as they were becoming they were a sizable voting block.If they were forcing the girls to marry older men and can be (key word)PROVEN that at THIS LOCATION these things were indeed taking place then it's understandable. However I have a sneaking suspicion that won't be the case and what we have here is the classic case of the governmnet using bait and switch legal tactics as has become they're modus of operandi.
I may be wrong .....but something just don't add up. The judge seemed like a government agent rather than an impartial justice. IMHO

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Penny Lang, Trinity, AL — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 16:28:23 GMT

Sorry, but I have no sympathy for women who know what is going to happen to their children and they allow something that horrible to be done. They wouldn't answer the reporter's questions about it either. How could they allow that to happen and believe it is anyone's will. You cannot be brainwashed into believing that it is good for a young girl to be forced into having sexual relations with an old man or any man. They need help. Parents are supposed to protect their children, not prostitute them.

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Lisa, Omaha, NE — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 16:28:33 GMT

Either way - polygamy is against the law...

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JACKIE, FARGO, ND — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 16:29:24 GMT

THESE WOMEN ARE ALL BRAIN-WASHED. I FEEL SURE THEY WERE RAISED IN THE SECT, SO THEY KNOW NOTHING DIFFERENT. KEEP THE KIDS SAFE! THEY ARE NOT GIVEN A CHOICE OF LIFESTYLE IF THEY AREN'T EXPOSED TO THE FREE WORLD. I FEEL TERRIBLY SORRY FOR THESE WOMEN AND THE HORRIBLE ABUSIVE LIVES THEY FEEL COMPELLED TO DEFEND. MOST SOUND BEYOND HELP

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mike — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 16:29:25 GMT

uh huh. please. i've heard stories of polygamists raping 14 year old girls so hard they can't walk for two weeks. It is fact they used to kill handicapped or mentally challenged babies at birth. it is now the 21st century people. it's not 1847 anymore. get with the program.

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Cliff Adams, Norfolk, VA — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 16:30:54 GMT

Yes, I guess I have a question? Why is it that the men in the Polygamy issues are targeted but, the women who aid and abet the men are never charged? If there is abuse why are the mothers not charged with failure to protect their children? We surly have plenty of hot shot lawyers in prosecution areas that can dream up some inovative charges why don't they and get this whole thing over with. The story I read said there was an "ominouse" looking tower being built at the gate of the compound. Is that a threat to local law enforcement or others? Is inovation only for the add folks?

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Susie Belton, Texas — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 16:31:52 GMT

No matter what!!!! children should never be taken from their mother...I find this act deplorable!
Take the men away! Leave the mothers with their children.

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Robyn, Los Angeles, CA — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 16:32:50 GMT

They denied their children were sexually or physically abused. They said all women are free to leave the ranch anytime they wish.

I don't believe that for a minute. Any 13-year-old girl who is "spiritually married" to an adult man is being abused. Period.

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Paul, Houston, Texas — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 16:33:22 GMT

The last time I looked, Polygamy was againhst the law in Texas and all of the other state. Doesn't the fact that these people were practicing an unlawful act constitute a crime? Whether or not their children were hurt in any way, it still does not excuse the fact that they were practicing polygamy. This is very much the same as the illegal alien argument. You break the law, and there are reprocussions. If I were to break the law, I would accept the consequences. If the Polygamists want to practice their "religion", they should stay within the laws of the U.S.

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Dick Carl Port Charlotte, FL — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 16:33:37 GMT

The above information is fine but the questions that nobody is touching on are: Where are the men? There are no pictures, no comments, nothing. There are 400+ kids involved here, many of these woman have a rather large number of children, where are the fathers and are there multiple fathers? One more question that is missing. Where does the money to run this huge compound come from? Why has no one reported on these subjects?

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Puyallup, WA — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 16:36:04 GMT

wow, creepy.

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Brian, Sacramento CA — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 16:37:34 GMT

No matter what their beliefs are as far as polygamy is concerned, SEX WITH MINORS IS A CRIME!!!! Cloaking pedophilia in a thin disguise as "religious beliefs" is still JUST PEDOPHILIA and these men should be in prison!

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Pat, Chicago, Il — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 16:37:41 GMT

No young girl can make an informed decision about marriage at the age of 16-or less. Or even 18 for that matter. (As a woman who married legally at 18 many many years ago I have some right to state this)
There is no way any of these arranged "spiritual marriages" to these your girls are moral-let alone legal, considering that the children and extra wives are collecting welfare and food stamps. Stockholm syndrome and brainwashed would be better descriptions. Or pedophelia.

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Rob Lewis, Cin, Ohio — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 16:39:32 GMT

The govt. doesn't LIE! This is a fabrication by these women. Also, I want to come out like Stephen Colbert and say that I am against polygamy, even if it hurts my credibility. Why should anyone who believes in god be credible? Half the world is retarded for believing in religion. If they really were practicing this stuff at this ranch they should be prosecuted, in all seriousness.

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willy wonka, seattle, wash — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 16:39:55 GMT

"The women said they were lied to, it was dirty where they slept, the people were nice." You call that telling their side of the story? This "article" is hardly informative. I hope you plan to elaborate soon.

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Amy Allen, Ashburn, VA — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 16:40:04 GMT

I don't feel sorry for women who allow their daughters to be married off under age and their sons to be put to work before they've finished school or kicked out of the communities altogether. The men controlling these communities are just using the women to manipulate the media. Everyone knows what's going on in these compounds, it should not have taken this long to intercede on behalf of these children. Shame on the authorities in Utah and Arizona for doing nothing when children are at risk and kudos to Texas for stepping up and doing the right thing!

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Z.W., Sacramento CA — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 16:40:13 GMT

At least they weren't complaining about being persecuted for their beliefs. Polygamy is illegal in this country. Period. The girls were being 'married' below the age of consent. Forced sexual intercourse is also known as rape. They were right to take the children, just as they do in similar situations across the country. Women should not be raised to be subservient to men. Period.

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Jack — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 16:42:02 GMT

This is government out of control. It has no more of a business separating these children from their parents because it doesn't like their lifestyle choices than it has of allowing gay couples to have or keep children because it approves of theirs. Just because the government has a hammer doesn't give it a right to go hammering in every nail it sees.

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A. C., Austin, TX — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 16:42:22 GMT

We need to remember that women such as these, who are born into and live their lives with this sect, do not have the same definition of "abused" that others do. If you live your life watching children being spanked repeatedly or what we (non sect individuals) would view as tortured to "learn to behave" then you don't view it as abuse...its just normal behavior. That is what is truly sad about this story. These women see the way they and their children are treated as "normal".

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Nancy Moser, Middletown, MD — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 16:42:44 GMT

I just finished reading ESCAPE,by a former FLDS member Carolyn Jessop, and I am more haunted and affected by it than anything I've ever read before. I urge everyone to please read it, before you make a judgement. These women and children have been tyrannized for generations, right under our noses.

I would do anything at all to be able to offer our help and assistance on our dairy farm in Mryland, but a message on the website for Texas child services says there is nothing that can be done at the present time, especially out of state.

Again, please read it. And then pass it on. You won't be able to do nothing after you do.

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jaffa, MA — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 16:43:04 GMT

Whilst I'm sure conditions are far from ideal, somehow the woman in the lilac dress just doesn't sound believable. Talking about her son not wanting to leave her, she sounds like she's crying but does not look like it. Not a tear no red eyes, ruuny nose? Not sure I could actually function if I believed someone had just taken my son away and I may never see him again. I certainly wouldn't appear quite so well pressed.

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Chuck, Mississippi — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 16:43:27 GMT

These women know "what to say" from years of rehearsing all sorts of "last days" scenarios. Don't be fooled. Despite the constant brainwashing and subtle hints at retaliation (spiritual and physical), they know deep down that what they are doing is not just unusual, different, and manipulative but that it is wrong. It's wrong to raise your children with no choice, no freedom, complete ignorance and prejudice for anyone not in the sect. It's hurtful and they cling to the idea that if they keep themselves and their children within the fold they will never have to experience the pain and humiliation you feel when know you were dupped. At best it's a massive, hurtful con, at worst it's a life-threatening cult. Those of us who have broken away spend the rest of our lives in pain - for ourselves and those who are not yet free.

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LeeAnn, Colorado — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 16:45:04 GMT

If there is no sign of the children being abused, I don't understand why they are taking them away? I personally think the call that started all of this was faked by the Jessup lady.

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tg, mesa, az — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 16:45:26 GMT

I'm having a hard time trusting that they are allowed to leave at any time. I do believe that it was terrible to take their kids away seeing as not every family is going to have an abusive man at the head. Not every child was in danger. Just as fathers are different in monogomous relationships, they are different in polygamous.

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Jennifer, Aspen, Colorado — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 16:45:33 GMT

The "heartache" of these women is trumped by the state's concern for the well being of the children. Regardless of what called the state to the compound, once there, the state had a basis to find the health and safety of each of the children was at risk and they were required by law to remove the children from harm's way. If the mothers and fathers of the children are raising their children in a environment that condones, promotes and allows rape and pedophilia, the state is morally and legally justifed in placing the children in a healthy environment.

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Jennifer, Aspen, Colorado — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 16:47:08 GMT

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j criag — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 16:47:44 GMT

It is very nice to for once be haring at least a little from the other side. This coverage has been very one sided and as we found out from Iraq we can nto always trust that we are being given the full and accurate story from the Governemt. So far my understanding is that they have still not been able to locate the girl that made the call and that the man accused has not even been in Texas for over 17 years. I feel for these people that have had thier lives torn apart. I pray that they will not all lose thier children.

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Tom, Austin, Texas — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 16:48:11 GMT

I know these women must be very hurt to be taken away from their children but as far as I am concerned if they children were abused (and so far it seems that they definitely were) then the women are just as guilty as the men who abused these young girls and children. They will answer to God when they die but for now answering to a judge and the legal system will have to do.

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a kaye — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 16:48:13 GMT

the federal or local governments never prosecute muslim polygamists, even if they are illegals.

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alicia, philadelphia, pa — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 16:49:00 GMT

wow. i am sure they discussed with their husbands first before talking. so i wouldnt be surprised if they were rehearsed. i just hope the children are untraumtized as they can be but it looks like such a mess and confusion, no one will go unscathed.

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Anne Hall North Oaks Minnesota — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 16:49:19 GMT

There may or may not be sexual crimes involving underaged wives in this compound, time will tell.

What is certain is that the actions of the State of Texas are a crime against humanity in removing these young children from the care of their mothers who have committed absolutely no offense. Having two wives is NOT illegal if the situation is common-law and not bigamous.

The actions of the Texas government wil without a doubt scar these children for life.

And I've no doubt that if these governmental hoods would perpetrate such an immoral offense against these helpless children in isolating them in this way, it is ABSOLUTELY possible that random associated operatives of the state will try to brain-wash into lying about their parents to support their precious case that they think will get them fifteen minutes of fame or whatever.

I've never felt so strongly about a governmental intrusion as I do about this one. Children are not pawns, they have attachments that can be broken with life-long ramifications. Too bad this country more or less owns the World Court, it'd be nice to see this terrifying governmental intrusion held up and shamed before the whole world.

How would you like it if it was your five-year old, if you'd done nothing wrong and some storm-trooper-bureaucrat snatched your child like this?

Wonder how many of these kids will end up molested, perhaps by paid care-givers while in the "care" of the state? And has this bunch got too much on the line now to admit to an offense even if (when) it happens/

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PR, Atlanta, GA — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 16:50:24 GMT

It's obvious these women have been brain-washed. Polygamy is ILLEGAL! I don't care what their religion is, it's against the law. As for the child abuse, I wouldn't believe anything they say. They have been taught that this kind of up-bringing is perfectly normal, under their society. They were probably molested as children and know no other way. The men are child molester's and need to be put in prison...for a very long time. The media needs to wake up and quit letting them pump smoke up you butt!

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Kristine, Gresham, Oregon — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 16:50:24 GMT

These poor children. I feel so sorry for them. Not only have they lived a very brain-washed life - but now the society they have been trained to fear has them, that must be a very scary thing for them. While I know it is for their best interest, it still is sad they have to go through this. Please don't get me wrong - I don't believe those mothers deserve to get their children back. Anyone who would allow their flesh and blood to be treated in such a way should also be severly punished for abuse. To give away your child daughter for the pleasures of a grown man is SICK! This is NOT about religious persecution at all, this is about these poor children who are being ravaged and abused all for a bunch of men's pleasure. Not to mention the "training" they give to the babies at a young age - it is tantamount to waterboarding....we gasp when we hear about the government doing that to terrorists - I hope those children are never allowed to go back into that environment - EVER!!!! Those children have years and years of deprogramming and very traumatic experiences to heal from let alone - re-learning what true society is and what personal boundaries are. It is a shame this raid couldn't have happened much sooner!
I cannot stop reading these articles, I just can't believe that in this day and age this stuff goes on. Maybe waterboarding is what Warren Jeffs needs aside from castration.

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joel devin — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 16:51:14 GMT

Don't you dare be different in Amerika. These girls should have been wathching MTV, sleeping around with boys thier own ages and getting high on crack, not on superstitions.
How dare them!

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Michael, Bucharest, Romania — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 16:51:33 GMT

I would imagine much of what they said was indeed rehearsed. From what I have been able to read on this, I think that their children should definitely be removed from their custody, at least until there can be some psychological evaluations done on these children to see what exactly has been going on in that "religious" environment

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russell trunzo, missoula, montana — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 16:52:31 GMT

Everyone in a society must have the same rights, or everyone is in danger of losing their rights. Would the people of New York tolerate this action by the state in New Square, Borough Park, or some other Chassidic community? Would the people of Pennsylvania tolerate the state doing this an Amish community? Remember Martin Niemuller: When they came for the Jews...

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David Honsohan, — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 16:52:59 GMT

When will we realize that the Child Protective Services has more power than the gestapo had during WWII? An anonymous caller can have your child taken away in a heartbeat. All the caller has to claim is "child abuse". There is no prior investigation as the CPS will immediately storm your home and take your children. I have personally witnessed this happen to distraught friends who were visiting our country. It was incredible and I still find it difficult to believe this can happen here...but it does and something needs to be done about their methods.

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David, Temple City, CA — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 16:53:59 GMT

How naive can you be? To believe these women would tell the truth about the abuses taking place. They returned to where they have been indoctrinated in the fallacies of love and sex and that the man is always right and the woman is always wrong. These woman will only say what they have been told they can say by the men who control them. Forcing a child of 12 to 16 to have sex and bear children it sick, immoral, and degenerate! There have been so many of these types of cases and so much documentation of the abuses that happen in these concentration camps, yet you news people still want to believe that there is nothing wrong! Take your heads out of the dirt and take a look around! Or maybe the problem is that you secretly wish you were a part of it?

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james — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 16:54:04 GMT

This is one of the most heinous and disturbing actions by the government in recent time. Absolutely unnecessary. Breaking up families and separating innocent children from their innocent mothers !! Where is the outcry ?? Where are the marches in the streets ?? This is not America.. this is NAZI GERMANY !! Shame on all of you for sitting back. Because they will BE COMING FOR YOU AND YOUR CHILDREN NEXT !!!!

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Anne Brock, Mariposa, CA — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 16:54:43 GMT

While no one is happy to see children separated from their mothers, before we go too far down the sympathy route I suggest all reporters read Jon Krakauer's "Under the Banner of Heaven" to get an idea of what goes on in the fundamentalist Mormon communities.

Brainwashing, teaching girls from a very young age that marrying an old man is what God wants for them, beating them severely if they try to leave... these faiths are abusive children and toward women. Read Krakauer's book, and think if you would want a young daughter of yours brought up that way.

The raid is a bit late; this abuse has been going on for decades. Only very strong women are able to break free.

I do feel sorry for the mothers and children; but at least now the children have a chance to break free of this abuse.

Personally, I don't care if adults - ADULTS - who are aware of the options, who have been exposed to all that society has to offer - decide to set up households with many men, many women, mix and match, whatever. But these children don't have a chance to decide for themselves. They get married before the age of consent; and even if they did wait until they're 18, because they are so brainwashed as they grow up, they are not making a free choice.

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Nancy — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 16:54:57 GMT

Bet the policy of this sect is to deny allegations
in the event a raid were to take place. Bet anyone
who speaks out will be cast out. Hope the raid
produced incriminating evidence. I cant imagine what
it must be like for such a young girl dreading her day of union to an older abusive man...dreading knowing of the room that awaits her once the union is (un) sanctified. Hope justice prevails here for those girls and they seize the place.

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spacegold — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 16:55:28 GMT

Well, at least the Gestapo did not send in the tanks and flame throwers this time.

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Lisa Simonds, Stoughton, WI — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 16:55:47 GMT

"During the initial raid, the men who live on the ranch weren’t allowed to leave, and the women who had been removed with their children were sequestered away in shelters."

Please clarify: Who didn't allow the men to leave and who forced the women to be sequestered away in shelters?

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Lance, Greene, NY — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 16:56:04 GMT

"I’m posting some of their interviews..." So where are these interviews? I want to read them.

Lance ==)---------------

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Jonathan Staiger — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 16:57:31 GMT

If they don't find any facts or proof that abuse has taken place the children should go back.

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Jan Holmes, Ventura, CA — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 16:57:39 GMT

I used to live in an area that had a few polymogists. I've thought the phone call was a hoax from an "interested outsider" the whole time. There are some people who enbrace the poly lifestyle, are encouraged to join, and thrive in the "society". I don't think 16 is child abuse, and I know my mother was 16 and my father was 7 years older and not in a poly group, and there was no disapproval in the community for their union. Maybe different parts of the country, have different socio-economic standards. I don't agree with the fundamentalists, but there has to be a better way of "monitoring" "child abuse". An older "husband may not be approved by us, but as a stable, community leader, who is prosperous and has a stable of wives to help raise his bride and new children, he would be better than a man who doesn't have property or wisdom/standing in the community. Many women in a poly society see sex as part of a religion, the women see it as a duty, and also being "chosen" or special, to have the husband choose them (the ones I knew). I knew women who were educated, taught both college students and children, including masters programs (when they were too old to bear children or felt a need to be "in society") and had to see their husbands be with women younger than their own children, by many years. Not my choice, but as with any nation their are many religious views. I don't believe 16 is child abuse in every case. There are many variations in the poly lifestyles. Not everyone is in a "prarie dress". I believe the poly lifestyle is a cult, but that again is my view.

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guest — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 16:57:39 GMT

Hopefully they crack the rest of these cults soon, religious extremists have way too much influence in the world.

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Mary, Connecticut — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 16:58:26 GMT

This is a no win situation. If you take the children away, you are infringing on their rights, and if you don't you let the abuse continue. The only way to stop, or at least cut down on polygamy in this country, is to make it legal. If it was legal, and these men were forced to be financially responsible for all of these wives and children, I can assure you that most would choose monogamy.

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Athena — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 17:00:45 GMT

If this were some radical group practicing "female circumcision," there would be (one hopes) universal outrage and no sympathy for the adults in the group who condone it. Why should we be sympathetic to those who condone child sexual abuse?

Forcing 13-year-old girls into sexually active "spiritual marriage" with men is sexual abuse. The fact that these mothers don't see it that way means that they too have been abused and brainwashed and lied to by a bunch of dirty old geezers who have turned perversion into an article of faith in order to cry "Religious freedom!" when anyone questions them.

The men in that compound have committed statutory rape and should go to jail. The women have aided and abetted--in lieu of jail, they should be required to undergo counseling, deprogramming, and family therapy before anyone entertains their request to have their kids back.

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John Newberry, Salem, IN — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 17:00:50 GMT

I don't doubt the mothers love their children; I am concerned that the children have to marry at such a young age. For God's sake, WHY? Where is it written that "Thou Shalt Marry at 13"? Hiding bad behavior within religion doesn't change the sin. Anything beyond fellowship, communion, baptism, our commission, tithing and helping widows and children has been added by men and is not a right that God would condone or protect. Our kingdom is not of this world, so the buildings or rituals we create are 'fluff' we waste our time defending.

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John Doe, Seattle, Wash — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 17:01:09 GMT

Daliar Lama's group would be cult if he were in the States.

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nn — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 17:01:33 GMT

Bet the policy of this sect is to deny allegations
in the event a raid were to take place. Bet anyone
who speaks out will be cast out. Hope the raid
produced incriminating evidence. I cant imagine what
it must be like for such a young girl dreading her day of spiritual union to an older abusive man...dreading knowing of the room that awaits her once the union is (un) sanctified. Hope justice prevails her for those girls and they seize the place.
The sacrifice of pure young girls to the men in this
sect turns my stomach. Bunch of men worshiping themselves.

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Stephen Drabner, El Paso, Texas — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 17:01:37 GMT

I don't believe the state of Texas should remove these
children from their mothers, unless they can prove on an individual case by case, that each child has been
abused.

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Katie Howard, Fort Smith, Arkansas — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 17:03:41 GMT

Sorry, I don't put much weight in these women's comments. They don't sawy me into thinking the state is doing soemthing wrong or terrible given the situation. I do believe in freedom of religion, but it is hard for me to support this types of groups for their rights when it appears they use "religion" to condone a perfect breeding ground to conduct certain crimes. I hope they find that 16 year old.

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Jane Doe — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 17:04:10 GMT

This is the same tactic the FLDS used during the short-creek raid. "Poor us--we're being persecuted." It is a bunch of B.S. This damaging cult wraps itself in the cloak of religion when it so chooses, and thumbs it's nose at American laws. Yet when it is found in contempt of those laws, it cries, "freedom of religion." What a crock. All those people should be arrested--including the mothers.

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Evelyn Jase DeSoto,Texas — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 17:04:11 GMT

They were not fooled into leaving their children. They left when the children were rehoused because of the so called cramped conditions. Also they should never had been allowed to come with their children in the first place.The mothers were the inablers of the abuse that was suffered on these children. They didn't stop those old men from helping themselves to the young girls so now I do not beleive they care.They the mothers or the older females should start looking for some way to defend themselves for the sins they allowed to be visited on their children.

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Antonio, Estepona Spain — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 17:04:26 GMT

I certainly hope there wasn't child abuse, but regardless of this: what a pathetic looking bunch of washed out cardboard cut-out women these are. They need to be out in the real world, getting a life.

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Colby, Salt Lake City, UT — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 17:04:29 GMT

This has seemed more like a modern-day witch hunt than "justice." There is no event in the US in recent history, where a whole community has been uprooted over abuse allegations against a single man. I don't agree with polygamy, but I disagree much more with the way the US Gov has botched this. Just because a group keeps to itself, doesn't mean they aren't good, upstanding people. It just means they keep to themselves.

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John, St. Louis, MO — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 17:05:18 GMT

Leave it to the government to make a bad situation ten times worse. When are they going to learn that we don't all follow what the media says is the one and only right way? Though the underage victims are truly a trajedy, you cannot oppress an entire people because they don't follow your secular values.

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Joan Kelly — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 17:07:13 GMT

This is tragic and I am so ashamed of the government for removing the children from their mothers.
The fathers, if they were abusing children are the ones who should be removed instead of taking children away from their homes and environment that they have known.
If the government wants to ensure that the children are not going to be abused, then they can monitor the children and mothers according to the court mandate.

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Kate Shaw, Toronto, Canada — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 17:08:05 GMT

Yes, of course, they all say the pre-rehearsed same thing because they've been told by The God Warren Jeffs (who has also told them he is the Christ -- wonder whether they ever read Matthew 24 on this?) that either they toe the party line or go straight to Hell.

I'm sure they are sincere -- because they sincerely believe their salvation hinges on throwing their children into the Furnace of Moloch just like their Puppet Master tells them it does.

They remain in my prayers as do their children.

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Jane the Baptist — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 17:08:20 GMT

That's it? That's all your going to put in print on what the mother's said? Not even their own words but pared down and watered down into 4 paragraphs? I don't believe in their beliefs or their way of life, I do believe abuse probably did go on. I am really sick and tired of wanting to read about "News" stories I'm interested in with real info and receiving the reporter's paraphrasing of what the person I wanted to hear from said. I mean come on, what happened to actual quotes? I grew up in a very closed Baptist home with some of the same views of the world these people have so I'm interested to see what happens and hear what happened from the people actually living there, not your version of their story.

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Mark C, Phoenix, AZ — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 17:08:24 GMT

The Texas authorities have destroyed the lives of hundreds of people, on the basis of a phone call.
What country do we live in again?

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Observer, Long Beach, CA — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 17:08:35 GMT

Regardless of what your personal preferences are, and unless the state can prove beyond any reasonable doubt that criminal activity took place IN SPECIFIC SITUATIONS, these mothers & tyheir children should be reunited and left in peace. We have enough problems with religious zealotry here and in Iraq without getting involved in a heavy-handed, self righteous action. It appears the Texas religious right & do-gooders were just waiting for the slightest opportunity to raid this compound, obtain and distribute salacious, unproven, one-sided reports and justify their own sanctimonious thoughts.
If it wasn't for government action, I could not care less about what these people believe in...it is their own choice.

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mike mesmer, dallas, texas — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 17:09:37 GMT

This is another WACO in the making, just without guns and fire! Is there anyone, anybody out there to stop the abusive power of government agencies? I suspected from the begining that the call from the yet undidentified girl who called, was probably fictive to give the police an excuse to move in. Whoever is responsible for this must be identified and fired!
I do not condon child abuse and/or polygamy, but I strongly support the rights of every citizen to live freely as they wish. This is still America and "in dubio pro reo" is(?) the guiding principle. As always the children are the victims!!!

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s.atkin, Cedar City Ut. — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 17:09:43 GMT

Why all the concern at this time for the children? These same people were not at all concerned about driving out of town their own minor age boys, from their town in Arizona before relocating to Texas.
Nor did they ever have concerns about taking advantage of the tax payers in Arizona or Utah by providing fradulant information to take advantage of state welfare services. Every one who dresses in a long dress, doesn't necessarily have the heart of saint. It has been said that there are those who can lie, better than most of us can tell the truth. TEXAS, DON'T BE DECEIVED BY THE TEARS AND THE RIGHTEOUS PIOUS FACADE.

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Raul Ferrer — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 17:11:19 GMT

This is a very interesting case. None of the news stories say anything about the men. I would be interested in knowing more about them. How many? Where are they? Have they been interviewed? What are they saying?

Also, when can we hear directly from the children as to what their lives were like?

In a situation like this, everyone loses.....

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Lydia M, Pasadena, CA — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 17:11:42 GMT

I don't care how angry they are. It doesn't matter. If there were allegations of abuse, then the state had to act. These people are using religion to commit ritual pedophilia. If their faith didn't allow nasty old men to have sex with young girls, do you think they would be so devout? We do have freedom of religion in America, but we have a lot of freedoms. And the one that trumps them all is the freedom of choice. These spineless, emptyheaded parents (especially the mothers!) chose to give away all their freedoms, but they do not have the right to give up their children's as well.
These people aren't even making their own choices any more, anyway. Watch the documentary "Join Us", see a family get deprogrammed, and you'll see what I mean.

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n/a — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 17:12:30 GMT

hhmmm...interesting.

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John Doe, Seattle, Wash — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 17:12:30 GMT

They have been raised from birth to believe what they're doing is not wrong. The simple fact that they removed pregnant 14 and 15 year olds is enough evidence

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Jen, Kansas City, Mo. — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 17:12:38 GMT

If this was supposed to make me feel sorry for these women, it didn't cut ice. FLDS is a cult, nothing more, and one that exploits women and children, especially young women, and the young men who are forced out when they reach a certain age.

Girls as young as 14 are pregnant and have lost a huge chapter of their lives because of these so-called righteous men who call themselves, Holy. Young men thrown out because they serve as competition to these old perverts, yeah, those are wonderful examples of this loving bunch called, the FLDS. Again, not cutting the ice.

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Jim Burrill — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 17:16:56 GMT

I am SO not a supporter of the Mormon religion, and in fact am no longer a Christian... But I think these folks are being unfairly treated here.

My great grandmother was married when she was 14 to a man in his 40s. Both good Methodist families - he was also the county Sheriff! No one would have thought to call it "child abuse". Why was it not then, and it is now?

In a country that supposedly accomodates all religions, and not just Christianity, where does the more than one wife rule come from? ( yes, I do know, but I am making a point!) A number of other world religions allow plural marraiges. If the fundamental basis for the number of spouses comes only from a religion, then who's got the right to deny these folks their determination?

I live in Pennsylvania... The Amish also had some pretty "odd" religious rules. They look like they share the same tailor when it comes to the women at the YFZ ranch! So, why are the Amish left alone and these folks rousted?

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Mike, Iowa City, IA — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 17:17:53 GMT

Texas can't cough up the 16 year old because she
doesn't exist. Is there a tape? Who made her up?

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JT — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 17:18:14 GMT

On one hand, I listen to Carolyn Jessop and other ex-polygamist members, it sounds like a horribly abusive environment. On the other hand, stealing 400 kids in one night feels like a gross overreach of government power. I wish I lived in Texas so I could foster parent some of those kids during this.

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SH, Seattle Wa — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 17:18:30 GMT

These so-called mothers have done nothing to protect their children from sexual or physical abuse, that makes them unfit parents. Forcing 13 year old girls to have sex with old men is child rape, not marriage, it's against the law and they should pay the legal price for what they have done. How in the world these people think polygamy, child rape, and abuse are their religous rights is truly evil. I hope these confused and abused children are protected from these deviants and a full battery of charges are brought against their so-called parents.

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Dede, Lumberton Texas — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 17:20:14 GMT

I feel for these women to not have there children, but they say they can leave at any time but is that true and could they have taken there children with them? Probably not. Look at Carolyn Jessop, she had to leave in the middle of the night.
And when is it ever right for girls to marry old men when they are just 14 are so.

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Colby, Salt Lake City, UT — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 17:20:19 GMT

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Michael — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 17:20:43 GMT

I am all for freedom of religion. But is it religion that allows people to have sex (married or not) with minors? I would love to have a couple more wives, but number one won't allow it and I am too much in love (20 years and counting) to press the issue. I think that this splinter group is not helping the Mormon Church at all.

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Terry Swanson, St George, UT — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 17:21:04 GMT

This is pure propaganda! They (the women) let their daughters, and sons, be abused! That is clear to say the least. Most of us feel for these poor young men and women. Clearly they will be better off long term away from the FLDS!!

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el, Austin, TX — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 17:22:14 GMT

Texas has screwed teh pooch big time on this one - AGAIN. It is just a matter of time for Rick Perry to stick his incompetent little head into something that he cannot get out of. He got away with intimidating a black DPS officer before he was elected governor, he has allowed the Travis County DA's to shoot or beat blacks and Hispanics at will - against OVERWHELMING evidence; but he has finally really screwed up! Here in Texas, judges do not overrule cops. But in Federal court, some of these blatantly false allegations will come to light and they will loose their shirts. Thank GOD it wasn't in Waco!
And for all the usual suspects - I an a REPUBLICAN - just a constitutional one.

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Jen J — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 17:22:27 GMT

If they are not adhering to the legal age for marriage then yes pursue it and throw the pedophiles in jail. To go in and take away everyone’s children is ridiculous.

If they do not want the government to police their actions then these multiple women married to these few men should:

1. Stop Claiming Welfare.
2. Don't request our hard earned tax dollars for any reason - then expect to not abide by our laws.

Our Country is based on Freedom - They should be Free do as they will - BUT We the Taxpayers Should not be expected to Pay for it.

I just wonder how they justify raising their children in a bubble away from the "Unpure people" while drawing Welfare and such from those same people.

That to me is hypocritical.

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Theresa K Adams Florissant MO — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 17:23:14 GMT

So none of the children were sexually abused hmmm?

That's just very difficult to believe.

Babies having babies is such a shame.

Those mothers who were sent back to the ranch must be brainwashed or something.

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Sol, Seattle — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 17:23:28 GMT

Am I wrong or isn't Polygamy illegal? Why are these people even given the option of living outside the law in this case? Am I also wrong in thinking that kids shouldn't be indoctrinated into a lifestyle that forces them into illegal marriages and pedophilia?

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Jennifer Nashville TN — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 17:24:13 GMT

This is a situation between two different worlds. We look at them as different because we do not understand their ways. They are happy and content this is their way of life, just as us living how we live is our way of life. we can not discriminate agaisnt those we dont understand, wether were religious or not. These children grow up only knowing their lifestyles because of the life their parents live and we look at that as worng.. but the "normal" people aka us/the outter world are the same way. If a child is being abused YES! step in and do something, if not dont make anyones life harder and make them look bad for something no one did.

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First Hand Witness — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 17:25:21 GMT

This story is bound to help reveal the problem with CPS in Texas. There is no other corporation in the United States that has more power than the government or individuals. CPS in Texas gets PAID by the caseload. This causes an incentive for them to sequester children, regardless of any innocence of the accused. The result is millions of dollars spent by Texas citizens in defense of their innocence.

This 'broken' corporate entity goes unmonitored for their Nazi tactics of taking children away from families. Even when families have been found innocent of charges, the families are forever broken and financially ruined. All the while, children still die from abuse from real cases that CPS allows to slip through their hands. They are too busy worrying about too many cases without probable cause to address the truly endangered cases.

This corrupt corporation manipulates the legal system at EVERY possible chance. They LIE and omit important facts to Judges, Grand Juries and District Attorneys that would exonerate the innocent. Entrapping innocent victims by the score. Once a person is targeted by CPS of Texas, there is no escaping their wrath.

Though I do not agree with the teachings and doctrines of this branch of Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, they have clearly fallen victim of the corrupt Texas CPS system. This happens to individuals 100s of times a week. But their single voices are never heard and never make news worthy reporting. Perhaps the scope of this royal screw-up on CPS will now become the international focus. This corporation is corrupt to it's core and mission. It is about time that the citizens of Texas protest the unconstitutional behavior of a very corrupt entity that is 'supposed' to protect families, NOT destroy them.

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Calgary, Alberta — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 17:25:25 GMT

Yes, many of the child maybe in danger of abuse espesially the young ladies in the compound but I dont feel that these children should be seperated from there mothers....Ive seen alot worse parents out there that get to keep there kids even after more obvious signs of abuse (bruises, burns etc.) I think the women AND the children are in abusive situations....the women dont know any different and therefore defend there husbands, but seperating them from there children??? How in the world does that make sense??

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C. A. Hill, Little Rock, Arkansas — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 17:25:32 GMT

Polygamy is illegal. Rape is illegal. If any of these women stood by and let any child on that compound be raped by an older man they are, among other things, guilty of shielding pedophiles. We cannot be lulled by their crocodile tears. Please keep your focus on the real issues.

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Millie Dogue — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 17:26:14 GMT

Logistically this quickly going south...news reports are that they can't identify which child belongs to which parent -- if you are raised by a bunch of "sister wives" do you think its possible that kids don't even know who their mother is?? Can't law enforcement identify pregnant teens? How can they not find the battered teen wife whose anonymous call triggered this? I am repulsed by the whole polygamous, "keep sweet", child bride aspects of YFZ, but on the other hand the wholesale removal of all children is pretty reprehensible. They should have just rounded up all the teenage girls and let the rest go.

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Mark, Atlanta, GA — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 17:28:43 GMT

That's it? That's all you got? Women crying over being separated (they could have chosen to stay close to their children, but they didn't). Did you ask them why they thought some women chose to go to a battered women's shelter? Did you ask them how old they were themselves and how old their youngest children were? The bed in the main temple, the escape to Texas, how they felt about the law re. underage marriage?

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Tomi M. Coeur d Alene, ID — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 17:28:47 GMT

I think that these families are being unfairly persecuted. If there was a complaint like this made anywhere outside one of their compounds, would CPS have taken away all of the children in the neighborhood simply because ONE child made allegations??? I don't think so. I understand that many people do not agree with their religious practices, and I will say I do not necessarily understand it or agree with it myself. However, being an American Citizen I believe in their right to their beliefs. Hopefully the government will realize that categorizing all of these families because of ONE allegation is wrong. To these families specifically, I hope that you are reunited, and that the allegations are proven to be false. If the allegations are proven to be true, I hope that you as mothers find ways of protecting your daughters.

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Tomi M. Coeur d Alene, ID — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 17:28:47 GMT

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Janessa Todd, Spokane, WA — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 17:28:50 GMT

This is a complete PR ploy; I have absolutely no doubt whatsoever that these women were, for the most part, coached by their husbands and other male leaders on what to tell the press. Have you read Escape, by Carolyn Jessop? 'Free to leave whenever they want' is complete bs. Carolyn was married to Merril, head of this uberrestrictive compound; fortunately, she was able to flee before they moved to Texas and the sect turned ever more cult-like. Rulon Jeffs, Warren's father, was a dictator, but he was the Raul Castro to Warren's Fidel. A be-all, end-all authority whose word was law, but at least he had some sense and allowed some liberties. Warren is just mental. Too bad the FLDS went the opposite way of Cuba.

If women are free to leave as they like, why did Carolyn fear for her life as she was running? Why did Merril send people to stalk her in her new home for months after she left? It is a miracle she is the strong woman she is today after having been raised in that brainwashing culture.

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Clyde Carter, Daleville, Virginia — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 17:28:57 GMT

As a former Magistrate in Virginia I say thanks for the other side of the story. Whichever turns out to be either factual or truth or both, thank you for sharing this story.

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JH Olympia, Wa — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 17:29:00 GMT

It's so sad that these women are so brainwashed that they don't even see how wrong their practices are! None of these children should be returned to parents that believe child rape and abuse is their god given right. Thank god the Texas CPS stepped in to stop this outrage, it's about time, this was allowed to go on for far to long. These children need to be protected and it's obvious that the parents won't do it.

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John Doe, Denver, Co — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 17:29:43 GMT

What kind of beaurocratic idiot thinks that it is better for these children and women to take them from their homes and put them in the Hell Hole of foster care?
If the government thinks that these 400+ children (many aged 2 to 10 years old) were in immenent danger of being married off in the next few days, why did they not just take the men away and leave the women and children alone. That would have eleminated any danger without tramatizing these poor children. How can the government get away with such atrocities? Especially since the person specifically named in the complaint, Dale Barlow, has not been in Texas for 3 decades. It really sounds like some kind of trumped up charges that the state is using to justify a crusade against this polygamist group. Should they be allowed to force 13 year old girls to marry - NO, but these issues can be resolved in a much better way than the Texas government is doing.

The government taking such broad and obviously harmful action against all these innocent children scares me much more than what concenting adults are doing in this group.

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Satine, New York, NY — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 17:30:22 GMT

I'm sorry but I have no sympathy from these women at all. They did not look out for the welfare on their children and now they are complaining. Like it or not, they broke the law. Polygamy and sex with a minor are illegal, no matter way you try to spin it. What bothers me most is that they have been known for years to ex-communicate their young boys to keep them out of the marriage circle and those boys have nowhere to go. No money, no family, no support. The majority end up on the streets, dealing drugs or turning to prostitution. How can these people think they are right with God? The children are where they belong. Away from the compound.

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Greg, Portland, OR — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 17:31:15 GMT

Let's not talk about 'sides' - the plain fact is that the women may be able to leave whenever they want but what are they going to leave with?

They'll be black-listed from the only environment they know and will most likely have no job skills or money. The women there are chattel pure and simple and their children, the female children, will just continue the cycle.

The men and women of this compound do deserve due process but the state must error on the side of the children first and foremost. If we do find that these people were acting as we have heard in reports, throw the book at them.

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Veritas Vincit — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 17:31:28 GMT

There are *always* two sides to every story. The fact that the government didn't allow any other side of the story to be told strongly suggests that the government once again over-stepped their authority.

How is it that all of this came about because of an unsubstantiated phone call from an unidentified alleged 16 year old girl; and an arrest warrant for a man living at the time in Arizona?

Lastly, why is it that the XYZ Ranch lifestyle of possible polygamy is wrong - but two men living together and calling it a marriage and adopting children is right?

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Aimee Sawley, Gold Beach, OR — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 17:32:42 GMT

I don't agree with the lifestyle and I certain DO NOT condone abuse of women and children, but something that keeps sparking in my mind is that these woman are victims too! By seperating them from their children, isn't CPS just as guilty of emotional and possibly physical abuse as the men who ran things at the ranch?

If you haven't lived in a situation where you are complete controlled, than you cannot understand the fear that keeps people (esp. women) from running away. These women and children have been brought up to believe that the government will destroy everything they believe in. Well guess what, the government just proved it. Nice job.

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Elaine Efstathiou Torrance California — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 17:34:43 GMT

I undertand that you need to present these womens "side of the story" however, whether the initial call was a hoax or not, the truth is that there are hundreds of young underage girls who have been "married off" to a bunch of old men. There are reports of one 16 year old girl with four children.
Hearing these women speak, they all sound like they have been brainwashed. I know they are victims as well however, they are not in a position to be credible witnesses. This group may call itself
a religion but by its very nature it is a cult and
lets start calling it one. I dont know who you are afraid of offending - more of these cultists groups that exist? If this took place in a large urban city you can rest assured that this would be called a
cult. Lets focus on what has happened to these children and what their lives will be like in the future. Even abused children usually want to stay with their parents - thats all they have ever known
but that doesnt mean that they should be placed back
with these women. Nothing will change for these children without intervention by the State.

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Harold, Indiana — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 17:35:17 GMT

I have wondered if the 4th amendment had been abused in this matter, and when the trial comes if the 6th amendment will, also.

On several levels this entire matter is worrisome. With the exception of multiple wives, certain Ana-baptists groups have the same issue with child abuse, both physical and sexual. These groups are usually given very wide latitude by the public and incidences are considered rare, when data suggests more frequent.

In any case, abuses of the constitution seem to be for whomever is in power. That is Fascism, not something I approve of, although it would seem that a majority of americans don't consider the constitution viable anymore.

Of course, I may just be bitter!!!

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briley — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 17:35:43 GMT

Very disturbing situation. From the standpoint of childern, it is the separation from their mothers that stings. My own grandchildern on a sleepover at our home, can miss "mommy" so badly that we must take them home. It is most tramatic to them if denighed. Solution?? Maybe offer to let Mothers,Fathers and childern leave as units and then monitor them. How can truly sain women not deduce that they have been so shamefully abused and thus not want their childern to face the same? Be kind to the childern.

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janet cooper, Ronan, Montana — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 17:36:08 GMT

as a mom and grandmother my heart is breaking for these women whose children have been taken away. Why are the women treated as crimanals instead of the victum they are. The children should be protected but the mothers should be allowed to stay with them.
the children should not be taken away from mothers.

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Peggy Carey, Montrose, CO — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 17:36:27 GMT

I am an attorney who has worked with families for thirty years. The bond between mother and child is often strong no matter how bizarre the circumstance. However, mothers must choose between lifestyles that endanger their children and their children. It is a simple equasion, and not one that takes much thought. If you choose to live in a lifestyle considered abusive by the larger society, you risk losing your children. It is a choice made everyday by women who choose to use illegal drugs, live with men who beat their children, or live in total squalor. In some cases mental illness impairs functioning, but that is clearly not the case here.

I say to the mothers who chose to continue in this sect ( they must have made a choice if they say they were free to leave) "Don't give a dance if you can't pay the band."

Peggy Carey

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Jerry Lee Price Demopolis, Alabama 367332 — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 17:37:01 GMT

The evidence should be the proof here, If these children have been sexually abused examinations will prove or disprove the charges. The Adults should be free to do as they please until it crosses the line affecting the children. If this has happened criminal charges must be made including removing the children from the danger they are in. My God would have no part of the things they are accused of.

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Aislinn McGuire, NYC — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 17:38:01 GMT

Victims of domestic violence often return to their abusers and disavow any abuse. The reality is that many women who were part of the sect and managed to get away tell similar horrific stories of abuse and rape. That these women would claim that all that has been reported is lies and would risk reuniting with their children to return to the ranch is only further evidence of how controlled by their abusers they are.*

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Jim N., Los Angeles, CA — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 17:40:20 GMT

Wow, stunning surprise.

People accused of wrongdoing seldom protest their innocence, right?

Dupes of religious fanatics usually see what fools they've been and immediately profess the same to the world, don't they?

Folks who have their kids taken by the authorities always have really, really good reasons for whatever it was they were doing that brought them to the attention of the authorities in the first place, correct?

If you answered yes to any of the above, maybe YOU need to go put on some wacky garb and join a cult.

As Bill Maher said, any time you have a "religious compound" and people dressed in prairie clothes, you can bet there's some child f****ng going on.

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Teresa, West Bloomfield, MI — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 17:40:30 GMT

I beleive these women don't understand why their children are being taken. This is all they have ever known and don't know it's wrong. Unfortunately we have to break this cylce of abuse and hold these men accountable. We also need to start holding the women accountable. I imagine word would spread quickly among these women if we did. The law is the law. We have to save these children. We also have to find a way to monitor these compounds closely from now on.

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M. J. STAROUGH — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 17:43:18 GMT

POLYGAMY IS STILL ILLEGAL AND SEX WITH UNDERAGE FEMALES IS STILL ILLEGAL. MAYBE IF THEY WERE NOT SO SECRETIVE, PEOPLE WOULDN'T HAVE TO WONDER WHAT GOES ON. I STILL BELIEVE IT IS A PEDOPHILES PLAYGROUND AND BREEDING PLACE FOR MORE VICTIMS. REMEMBER, THESE WOMEN HAVE BEEN BRAINWASHED FOR YEARS, AS ARE THE CHILDREN, FROM BIRTH.

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Marah Rawe — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 17:44:45 GMT

These women have a right to live and worship the way they want, if that is also in line with the current laws of our country, which do not include polygamy, or child molestation of any kind, whether the child of 12 is married to a pervert of 50 or not.
Did you notice how old these women look? They are probably only in their 20's or early 30's.

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Moses Hunter — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 17:47:28 GMT

all are guilty for what a few might have done thats not suspose to be the american or GODs way, that is guilty befor tried, punish all for what one has done wrong what about the cathlic church those preist were pertected by the church,goverment,and courts.

Mothers tell their side of polygamy story

Jenifer, Las Vegas, Nevada — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 17:47:29 GMT

These women that were interviewed look as though they've lived a hard life. When people are brought up abused, they see it as normal. That's what I see when I look at these women dressed as 18th Century Pioneers.

Mothers tell their side of polygamy story

Anthony Lee, Milwaukee WI — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 17:47:31 GMT

I can understand that these women are worried and concerned about their children. At the same time, if there is any type of abuse it should be fully investigated. I can’t say I know the whole story, but from what I hear, and I could be wrong, is that there are a large portion of underage children pregnant. Also that many of these families are admitting to polygamy marriages.

First and foremost, if these young children are being married underage, they should be taken away. I realize that these women may think it is their religion to do so, but if they can’t see that a 14 year old girl shouldn’t be married to an adult who should be their father, and then they are endangering their child. I have not doubt they love their child, but if they can’t take care of them, they should be removed.

Second, whatever you may think, polygamy under the law is illegal. Also, if they are benefiting from tax breaks and such, they are committing a crime (again I don’t know if they are).

Because of these mothers could not see that they were harming their children, they have put the tax payers and courts to take care of their mess. They say they love their children, and then they should make sure their children are living in a safe environment.

Mothers tell their side of polygamy story

Nick, Tempe, AZ. — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 17:48:47 GMT

I'm not ready to take sides on this issue yet. I am hearing what the state is saying, and I have heard their side of the story; but, I am finding it very hard to take the side of the women at the compound. I want religious freedom in this country, but the safety of the children should take precedence. I will be keeping an eye on this story. I just hope that both the media and the state of Texas represent the facts as fairly as possible. Good job on this story.

Mothers tell their side of polygamy story

Crytal Kentucky — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 17:50:21 GMT

I am just imagining how hard this is for the children. They are the true victims here.
The stories of children being forced to marry older men, and bare their children. We call that child molestation and rape. This is Wong in Society. These mothers, and woman have been so brain washed to believe it’s aright. As a mother myself, I would die myself before I allow another human to hurt my child.
The other part, the religion, is their personal right. Its there American right to believe in God however they choose.
I am thankful these children are being protected now, but how disturbing this must be for the children and do not understand why all this transpired. I pray that God will inter into these women’s hearts an help them understand its not there religion being attacked, but there parenting skills.

Mothers tell their side of polygamy story

Chrisona, Chicago — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 17:50:36 GMT

The government attack on these people, on the pretext of one unsubstantiated allegation, is an outrage. When government uses its coercive power to attack individual citizens, that is fascism. And then no citizen is safe--from his or her own government.

Mothers tell their side of polygamy story

George Tadros, Orange, California — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 17:51:49 GMT

It is a sad day in America just to know that these situations exist. Shame on these women that watch their children get abused and shame on these men that hide behind GOD to do so.

Mothers tell their side of polygamy story

Stephanie Cunningham, Lexington, KY — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 17:52:32 GMT

I question the intent of any organization that seeks to completely separate itself and its members from the rest of society. The leaders of most of those groups choose to do so because they know they are engaging in activities that are wrong. While I feel for the women who have lost their children, they joined this group of their own free will, presumably. The children did not, are not old enough to make decisions for themselves, and should not be expected to endure abuse because of their parents' choices. Even if no sexual abuse is taking place there, there have been questions about whether or not the children are being educated. They need to have the opportunity to live a normal life, and, if their parents won't allow that, then they should be separated from them.

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Tanya, Washington, DC — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 17:53:01 GMT

Someone had mentioned that mothers are considered victims as well and they should not be separated from their children. As a social worker, I understand the importance of keeping children with their parents but I think separating the children from the mothers who have enabled the men at the compound to abuse the children are as well guilty and are unfit to care for the children. If mothers had the innate understanding of protecting their children from harm, difference in judgement would have been extended.

Mothers tell their side of polygamy story

Becki Koenig, Fond du Lac, WI — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 17:53:07 GMT

I can understand everyone being concerned about the welfare of these children, but the emotional impact on children being torn away from their Mothers and put in shelters is hard for me to grasp. Like they are being punished. Why are all the children being taken away? What happen to your innocent until proven guilty? I may not agree with this religion, I certainly don't agree with young girls under 18 being married and groomed for older men, but this seems a very aggressive approach to solving the mystery to the phone call. There are so many issues in our country that are over looked, children being killed by their parents, child prostitutes, Run aways, children living in abuse. I bet we can find more than 400 of them around that really need the help. I guess I am just really confused about this entire situation.

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Tom Gomez — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 17:53:12 GMT

What are you people talking about. What side of the story makes it OK that these spaced out pilgrim dressing mothers consented to having their 12 yr old daughters tossed up by Warren Jeffs or some other 50 yr old equally perverted child molester. What are you thinking these mothers should be arrested and tried for willful child endangerment. I can't believe anyone is framing this as a religious issue it is child molesters posing as Messiah's. Now I can see that these mothers have been brainwashed but are you saying it is to rape and impregnate 12 yr old children. PLEASE

Mothers tell their side of polygamy story

Elizabeth, Iowa City, Iowa — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 17:53:38 GMT

This is ridiculous. I have heard nothing but these women's side of the story. It seems every news story cantains at least five quotes from the women and only one opposing viewpoint. Don Teague, you are not providing anything new or relevent to this story.

In response to the people claiming that women are being mistreated, I would just like to state that of course these women can't have access to their children, if they are implicit in abuse, they shouldn't have access to their children, not until this is all over.

While these women maybe victims of abuse themselves, when they allow the abuse to happen to their own children they become implicit in that abuse.

Children should be taken away from their mothers if their mothers are putting their children's welfare at risk. Which unfortunately happens all to often in and outside of compounds.

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Jason Hodges, Ft. worth, TX — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 17:54:18 GMT

This is poor reporting. I'm surprised your editor let such a devisive editorial be run as a news story. This article wouldn't pass high school UIL standards. Please take your obvious bias elsewhere.

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Clinton love — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 17:57:06 GMT

This is simply another instance of the overpowered government smashing in peoples doors, enslaving children for brainwashing, imprisoning adult males, abandoning adult females, all in the name of brainwashing. At least the compound in Waco tried to defend itself. Let me guess, hippies got rid of all the gun rights in Utah?

Mothers tell their side of polygamy story

Toni Montpelier Ohio — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 17:57:19 GMT

This is a mess! On one hand no one wants to see a child being abused, but isn't taking a child away from a mother that truely loves that child abuse as well. I can understand that some of these men may be doing things to hurt these children, but why take them from thier mothers? These children have to be traumatized beyond belief as well as the mothers of these children. Growing up in an area where there is a big amish community, these women look no different than the Amish women I see every day, so please do not judge these women by the way they dress.. the Amish believe in being plain, it looks like these people are the same way. I think they got it wrong I think they should have removed all the men and left the women and children at the Ranch... maybe that way they could have sorted this out without traumatising these little children whom I'm sure want thier mommy's more than anything else in the world right now...What were the authorities thinking? I couldn't imagine what that would be like to have someone come into the community I live in and just decide to take away all of our children...How horrible. My heart goes out to these women and children.

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MIke, St George UT — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 17:58:00 GMT

It is about time someone did something. For too long we have turned a blind eye to the abuses going on in these communities. It is not 1847 anymore. It is utterly sad that these women think or have been brainwashed to think that these abusive practices are OK. Kudos for Texas for stepping where Utah feared to tread.

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John, NY, NY — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 17:58:31 GMT

What ever happened to freedom of religion? What crime have these people committed?

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Michelle, Allen, Texas — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 17:58:38 GMT

This whole situation is most certainly difficult. I anticipate a number of posters railing on the government for stepping in when the FLDS members were allegedly minding their business on their personal property, especially if the original call does in fact turn out to have been a set up. The other side of the proverbial coin, though, is what if the allegations are true and the authorities did not step in as is their mandate to do so? Would we not then expect the same type of railing against the government because the authorities did not do their job to protect the "innocents"? My husband and I are both in the legal profession and are all too well aware of not only the logistical nightmare a matter of this nature creates, but also the procedural wrangling of personal rights afforded under the Constitution versus, of all things, the law of the land. This land of Texas has, over the course of time, established a demarcation line that says no marriage under the age of 16 even if the parties have parental consent. Why does law exist in the first place? Is it merely for the minority to enforce social mores on the majority or is it the best case scenario a flawed society can do to attempt law and order? I no more want someone coming into my house to tell me what I can and cannot do, especially as it relates to my relationship with God (which by the way, I believe is a right afforded me by God and not predicated on the Constitution). However, God's Word is clear that those who submit their lives in obediance to Him are to also obey the law of the land in which they live. That means, simply put, that all the FLDS members had to do was to wait until their children reached the age of 16 before these spiritual marriages took place. We can try to wade through the muck of this situation with clouded vision based on individual Constitutional rights only, or we can attempt to balance this perspective with the knowledge that laws exist for a reason. Does a 13 year old girl, who has known no life other than what she sees on these compounds truly know that she "is free to leave the compound any time she wishes"? So, back to the possibility that the initial calls were a set up ... when the authorities arrived on the compound and saw girls under the age of 16 either pregnant or already mothers, is that not evidence in and of itself of a crime, and thus constitute probable cause to move forward with their best efforts to enforce the laws of the state?

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Chrisona, Chicago — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 18:00:47 GMT

Incredible display of finger pointing. I find it chilling that so many articulate comments simply assume the validity of the police line justifying their aggression against this group of peaceful citizens. Especially since all they had to go on was a single allegation. When the government uses its power to attack peaceful citizens, we all are in trouble. Any one of you could be next. Don't worry about terrorist invaders; the body snatchers are already here.

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Robert Jessop, Hamilton Montana — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 18:01:05 GMT

I think this is a good start. It is nice to see that someone is starting to do something about the abuse that is going on.

I hope all of the other branches, compounds, sites, etc. are running scared and that this raid isn't the end. I have witnessed too many people hurt through this immoral and impure sect belief.

Watch out Hilldale UT, Colorado City NV, Pinesdale MT, and others.... you may be next!

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Veritas Vincit, Phoenix, Arizona — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 18:02:02 GMT

Fun to read the comments and compare Red State/Blue State. So very predictable.

The 3rd more believed lie told is, "We're here from the government and we've come to help."

Proof beyond a doubt is necessary to establish guilt. In noting the Blue State comments, it seems they a) believe the big lie, and b) don't feel solid evidence is required in order to condemn what they don't approve of.

IF laws were broken, then there are legal ways of proceeding. But, based on how the government went in, those legal and Constitutional ways of proceeding were simply ignored.

Breaking a law in order to prosecute a law-breaker only serves to invalidate all laws.

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Caroline — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 18:02:42 GMT

Get these people in jail and toss the key. These women had to know that letting kids get pregnant at 12/13/14/15/16 with an elder is just not right. Unless they had their brains removed, they are just as much to blame as the men who impregnanted them.

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TW Salt Lake City — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 18:03:12 GMT

If indeed there was abuse of children committed, however "Brain-washed" these "Mothers" have been, they allowed it to happen to their children and should be held as accomplises to the crimes, condsidering they did nothing to stop the abuses or they did not report the activities.

Mothers tell their side of polygamy story

Sarah Las Vegas — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 18:34:01 GMT

If the government did nothing and something where to happen then the citizens of this country would be livid. Since the government raided the YFZ ranch from this call (whether it was fake or not) all we do is sit around and complain about the way it was handled. There is no good way to go about this investigation. We all know now that things that were happening were against the law & wrong in many of our opinions. A lot of you need to take Pysch 101, these women are not week, I guarantee they put in more work a day then you or me care to even think about. These are strong women who believe they are going to heaven when this life is over. You can't just make them think different. It would be like us having to learn our colors and numbers over again, we are programmed.
Yes it is there God given right to be free. In there minds they are. Very few of them know better.
Thank God we live here in the USA and thank God our government is doing what it can to STOP the abuse, even if execution of there plan wasn’t perfect.

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Marie, Denver, Co — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 18:34:56 GMT

Men at the compound call them selves children of God, they should be taught how to really read the bible. What the men have committed is rape and they should all be removed and charged with 400 counts. This is beyond sick, it is sad, so very, very sad! Jonathan says that if they don't find abuse, the children should go back. Well, what do YOU call rape of a 13 year old?

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Carolyn , Ft. Worth, TX — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 18:34:57 GMT

How traumatizing it must be to be 2 yrs. old or 10 yrs. old and be physically removed from the only home you have ever known by the Police with no notice and no explanation. Why weren't the men removed from the compound and the mothers and children allowed to stay. And to take these children away from their mothers at a time when they need their mothers desperately for moral and physical support is so un acceptable. This only adds to their mental anguish. That's the law for you--shoot first --ask questions later!!
What a sight it must be to see a bus caravan hauling displaced 500+ women and children over the roads of West Texas. Come on people!!!!!

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Tim Atwood, Shelton, CT — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 18:35:17 GMT

Gee, let's see here. I suspect that if I stand up and say, "I marry you", the State of Texas doesn't consider us married. I further suspect that if I ask my friend, the right reverend of the Holier than Thou Church, to marry us, the State of Texas doesn't ocnsider us married. In fact, the State of Texas says we are not married unless we have obtained a license and gone through a ceremony presided over by someone licensed in the State of Texas to perform marriages.
Now, the definition of polygamy is "multiple simultaneous marriages". But we are talking about a legal definition of a legal term. And so far as I've heard, there is no evidence, nor any claim, that any of the individuals involved here have participated in multiple simultaneous legal marriages.
I'm not making any judgment whatsoever on the claims of abuse or sexual relations with underage minors. I'm just observing that maybe the world, and especially the Texas authorities, ought to be a little careful about the claims they make in their carefully orchestrated news announcements.

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Tim Atwood, Shelton, CT — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 18:36:12 GMT

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Heather, Bakersfield, CA — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 18:36:54 GMT

It's sad, you can tell the women are giving a speech.. it is totally rehearsed. The comments left about this not being America goes to show how naive you are to the world around you. It is sad that children have to be taken away from mothers. We're not concerned with the sadness involved, we're concerned for the well being of these precious children. They are held hostage and forced into early marriages. Would you want your sister to be married and pregnant at the age of 14? Would you want your daughter, cousin, best friend, mother .. to go through years and years of brain washing and beatings for not conforming.. It's funny because all of you who are against this say "Well it is their choice to join this religion"... But these girls don't have a choice... So who get's their choice? You? By forcing them to stay because you feel it's not right to seperate them from their parents?...

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REO Pensacola, FL. — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 18:38:09 GMT

Everyone acts like these are the only 13 and 14 year old girls having sex! Britney Spears's sister was how old when she announced publicly that she was pregnanat? She'll be pumping out babies one after the other. Where is the outrage about this? Did anyone charge her boyfriend with having sex with an under age child?

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Peggy, MO — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 18:39:16 GMT

I'm not sure what people are thinking. I've have just read so many comments about the injustice of the raid and the multiple comments about "if" the children were abused. It was stated as fact that there are children under the age of 16 pregnant. Not one or two, but a number of them.
That's a problem no matter what religion you are. But it's more of a problem if it's acceptable and inforced by your religion. The comment about allowing the childern to be be like normal American children having underage sex, drugs, etc was rediculous. These kids are not exposed to the same things where they feel pressure to participate. These kids are forced to participate. That's a big difference and if you can't see that you might need help yourself.

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RIGHTWINGHANK, Camden Nj — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 18:39:23 GMT

Children between the ages of 5 and 10 were taken away from their mothers...at this point..nobody is suggest and abuse happened on them.
Horrible govenment ..overstepping its bounds.
These children will always bear the scars.

This is WACO all over again.
In WACO 21 children were saved from abuse by burning to death in a bunker. The goverment could have arrested the leaders in town away from the WACO compound...but wanted publicity.

Now we have 400 children who will be "saved" by
putting them in strange homes with strangers.

Perhaps the children at WACO were luckier.

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Christine L, Apple Valley, Ca — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 18:39:42 GMT

Because of a few bad apples these people are guilty until proven innocent in the eyes of the courts and public. They have all been striped of their civil rights and the public cheers. ALL of them have had ALL of their children removed from them with no real evidence of abuse, and the public cheers. When reports come out of the holding facility of conditions that would be substandard by anyones view, their cell phones are taken..The public still cheers and the judges hear it and keep going. The fact remains what is happening is still wrong, and does in fact violate their civil rights. Here we ALL are, living in a country founded by folks who sought religious freedom and cheering the loss of it by a group that "does not meet the majority standards of acceptance". We will probably get new laws on the books that will make all thats gone on easier in the future and the public will cheer. Will you still cheer when you become subject to it? When the state doesn't like what you are doing or teaching your children and swoops in.

The state failed to take the proper actions when they had the chance. They can honestly sit and say they did not know anything was happening until a call... UMMM Jeffs wasn't a tip off? Instead of swoop and swipe they should have used a watch and check system. Less trauma for all.

If there are guilty on that ranch let them pay. But do so in a maner that does not strip rights and freedoms from everyone.

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Gayle Ramsay Colmar Manor Maryland — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 18:40:53 GMT

Why didn't you ask these women..'How old were YOU when you were married?' How old is your oldest daughter? Is she married? Where are the boys? Many of these communities cast the boys out ... into a world that is strange to them unprepared for a future.. so they old men don't have to compete with them for wives. Show us examples of ANY marriages between people of nearly the same age, of a couple who chose their mate out of love. Question them honestly!

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Susan, Mancos, CO — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 18:42:16 GMT

I REALLY, REALLY am horrified by the idea of marriage of girls that young to men of any age. But this group lives frozen in time in the mid-1800's. I think that at that point it was not unusual for girls in their early teens to marry. So values have changed and the FLDS has not.

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Phoebe, Portland, OR — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 18:43:45 GMT

I personally have nothing against polygamy. But I strongly believe that sex and marriage are a matter for adults. The number of teenagers who are with child or who already have children makes it clear that this simple rule is not being followed - and that commission of felonies has been systematized. There are no good resolutions here. Business as usual is not acceptable. Taking children from their mothers feels deeply wrong. But do we want those 5-year-old girls to be pregnant in 8 years? It's all ugly and difficult and no answer will feel right.

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luvwknd — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 18:44:45 GMT

One bad apple ruins the entire bushell so regardless if all the kids were under pologamy control and being raped by grown men or only 1; they ALL get pulled from the compound! Activity of this nature, regardless of the lame religion claims, is still against the law! The women should be jailed and held accountable just as the men as it is pure CHILD ABUSE!

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L.A. Phoenix, AZ — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 18:45:14 GMT

Where are these interviews?

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grandma — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 18:45:16 GMT

It's sad that the children cannot be with their mothers, but for their own sake, they should each be assigned an advocate. It costs money, but it is necessary to get to the real truth. I think the mothers are afraid to speak out because of what the "church" elders might do to them. However, if the children have not been abused, they should be returned to their mothers at the earlist opportunity, and the mothers should be allowed to leave the compound without fear of reprisals.

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Carolyn, Louisiana — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 18:46:06 GMT

look at these woman! what is wrong with them? are you kidding? any NORMAL woman with a 13 year old daughter would KILL someone for touching their daughter inappropriately, much less send them to their relative to have sex with!!!!!!!!

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paisleyface — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 18:46:59 GMT

That's Texas for you. Whacky people, some of whom become whacky presidents. Can't we just give Texas to Mexico?

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Wake Up!, NJ — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 18:49:01 GMT

clarification. Polygamy is only illegal if you LEGALY marry more than one person. Being legaly married to one person and having other wives that you are NOT LEGALY married to is not against the law.

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D. Kennedy — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 18:49:02 GMT

You have been spoonfed the information that a government run amok has decided to share. In a land of guaranteed religious freedom they will raid a religious sanctuary and when it comes to the zealots of Iraq, their sanctuaries are "off limits." Somebody better step up and do the right thing or pseudo Tim Mcveigh's may come popping up out of the woodwork. Nuff said.

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Yo mama — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 18:49:05 GMT

Have you seen these people? They're not the brightest. You'd think polygamy might be cool, but these women are scarey!

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Monica San Diego,CA — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 18:49:15 GMT

Let all the children go to College if after they get their Degrees they want to go back THEN let them. Consent as an Adult what a difference that will make.

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Harry, Columbus — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 18:49:57 GMT

A mere 100 years ago 14 years old was a fine age to get married and start a family. Both of my great-great grandmothers were married at 14 to 20 yr+ men. Considered a beautiful love story in their generation. It's still widely accepted in most all 3rd world countries. Don't think that social mores that have developed over the last couple generations will overshadow the instincts of the human animal. Human instinct will never be overcome by the intellectual thoughts. Keep those you love close to you and protect them. Don't make it the governments responsibility to protect your own. It's a savage world. These "poor abused Mormon children" are no more at risk that most of the children that reside in the eastside slum of my fair city. Children's Services, PETA, Green Peace, etc... are all a big waste of time and resources. Even with all that said, as a father of six, I'd not hesitate stick a pitchfork into the torso of anyone who would hurt one of my daughters. Unless one of my sons got there first.

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Randi Salt Lake City, Utah — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 18:50:07 GMT

The men as well as the adult women should all be arrested for rape and sexual assault. I don't care what your religious beliefs are. If you allow your daughters to be "spiritually married" to a man 4 times her age when she is 14, you are just as guilty as the man who is raping her. I am really tired of religion being used as a tool to justify abuse in this country.

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none — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 18:51:47 GMT

they aren't mormon. they are FLDS, which is not associated or part of the "mormon" religion.

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cal, casa grande, AZ — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 18:51:49 GMT

So many mistakes! No evidence of the caller. No reason to take all the children - you can't take them at random, so only the girl who called, her child & her siblings should have been taken. Some say Texas is courageous for doing what UT & AZ didn't - why do you think the FLDS moved to TX? Because of investigations in AZ and UT. Illegal to have sex with a minor in TX? Pedophiles? Guess again. Practically EVERY state allows underage marriage, some as early as 13 (TX: 16, I think). (I know: they aren't really married - but they think they are.)

PREDICTIONS: The case will die. Officials will be reprimanded for unfounded removal. TX state will pay reparations. Life will go on for the FLDS. And eventually, the FLDS, the ACLU, and GLAAD will unite to create a new federal marriage law allowing gay marriage, polygamy (mult wives) and polygyny (multiple husbands). Oh, and in 20 years, the judge in Eldorado, the sheriff, the mayor, the police chief, or the JP will be FLDS. When you make hundreds of babies, you win elections.

Look around the world. This is not that surprising. Men with multiple wives, having kids, working for a living. It's against our laws, but not that unusual. Is it really worse than having an affair? It's against the law, and they should answer for that. Just don't be surprised if the laws change.

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Yo Mama — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 18:51:51 GMT

It's funny. They say they were tricked into returning to the compound without their kids. And yet they can't figure out they've been tricked by this sect their whole lives?

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Van Jacobi, Albuquerque, NM. — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 18:52:02 GMT

Not trying defend the FLD but it seems to me that the State of Texas is "up the creek without a paddle", with only a phony witness the court will have to throw the case against the FLD's out of because the original search warrants are bogus.

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Doris, Gainesville, fl — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 18:54:09 GMT

What about school? Dont they go to school? Are they are homeschooled??/ My friend is home schooling and her kids have to go to school twice a year and take a test... Dont they have to do this as well? If scool officials would see these children once in a wile, abuse may be detected and they can get help??!!! In the name of religion many evil things already happen.

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GK — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 18:54:20 GMT

Where are the sects where women dominate and have multiple teenage husbands?

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Bill — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 18:54:25 GMT

The truth of this matter is simple. Men manipulating women so they can have sex with children. To do this under the guise of god and religion will only ensure their own doom.

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Irfan, Chicago, Illinois — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 18:55:23 GMT

With drastic %age of marriages ending in divorce, anyone think even adults are making 'informed' decisions?

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Michael TN — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 18:55:44 GMT

If these people allowed those children to have sex under the age of 16, they should all be put in prison. These are sick people who deserve what is coming towards them. Religious freedom doesn't not equal religious action. These people are nothing but pedophiles in disguse.

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A mom, Alexandria, VA — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 18:57:11 GMT

Hey Mike Sacramento - these people are not Mormons. Just thought you should know....

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eke - Memphis — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 18:57:16 GMT

Which one of you, that is 'criticizing' our government, CAN'T READ!

"..... there were a number of young girls, around 13 or 14 years old, who were pregnant or had children already, it is beyond doubt that at least some girls were pressured into underage sex. ..... in Texas marriage is illegal before the age of 16, which means that even "consensual" sex before 16 is illegal."

Oh, by the way, child molestation and having sex with a MINOR is a CRIME. Polygamy is ILLEGAL! Remember - WE LIVE IN THE USA. If you would like another life style, go where it is legal. I will pay for the one-way ticket! We have thousands in jail for that now! Why should this cult be different? I refuse to call them a religious sect. There is no God-like behavior here-only brainwashing, intimidation, and abuse. The GESTAPO is already here-the men living on that Texas ranch! Same techniques - brainwashing, intimidation, and abuse.

It's about time the 'government' did something about this---this abuse has been going on for DECADES! We are into at least the third generation of brainwashed robots! Would any of you want your children treated this way? Babies stuck under faucets! Having sex at age 11. Look at your own children at that age. Would you like them raped by old men! If you so disagree with the raid, and feel so sorry for the 'breakup of families', by all means, send your children to live with these robotic 'mothers' and abusive 'fathers'. I can throw up thinking these mothers did nothing to protect their babies and CHILDREN... from being abused!

Those that think these people are moral and their way of life should be protected - I bet you already rape your children!

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RC, Lehi, UT — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 18:58:30 GMT

I want to make sure that anyone reading about this or reading these comments knows that the FLDS church members or anyone who practices polygamy are NOT Mormons or affiliated in any way with the real LDS church. I belong to the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints, often called Mormons (even though that was a nickname given a long time by persecutors, but we know that most people know us as Mormons). I want everyone to know that what these people are doing at that compound in TX and also the ones in southern UT, northern AZ, or anywhere that they are gathered, is ILLEGAL and absolutely abhorred and has no relation to the LDS church. I wish that the FLDS people had to change the name of their church, and that people wouldn't call them Mormons, for I fear that many people who don't know the difference will think that all Mormons (true LDS included) do practice polygamy. WE DON'T!! I would never allow myself to be brainwashed as these people have. What they are doing is evil, torturous, and yes, there are women there who are told exactly what to say. If they want to leave, they CAN'T just walk away. It is so complicated and disgusting.

I feel somewhat sorry for the women who didn't know what they were getting themselves into back when they were children and early teens. But so many of them were either born into it or forced into it when they were young. I wouldn't want my children taken away from me, but I also know that in this situation, there's going to have to be a lot of counseling for EVERYONE involved...mostly the women and children. Many of the men are also victimized, learning from an early age that they must do this, but the guys in charge are power-hungry and assert their dominance in unimaginable ways.

Also, for anyone who has heard about the beds in the FLDS temple, used to consummate the marriages of the young girls to their pervert husbands, that is so disgusting and abusive that it makes me sick. I want everyone to know that in the real LDS temples, there are NO beds or anything of that sort. True LDS don't practice polygamy, encourage underage marriages, and the temples are sacred (just like any religions' temples or churches), but nothing goes on in there that is creepy, illegal, or scary.

In other words, the FLDS people you are hearing about are a psycho sect that I WOULD call a cult, and that I wish could be totally separated in reference to in any way with the LDS church. The children at the FLDS compounds are being abused, perverted, and commanded to do these things that most people find unthinkable.

I hope the right things will be done to handle this. It's not religious freedom when the people in that religion aren't free, and when they are sexually abusing, raping, and brainwashing children into thinking that this is God's will for them.

If there are ways to help the women and children leave (if they want to) and to acclimate back into real life, that would be awesome. But don't fool yourself into believing the lies that those women are forced to say. They are either brainwashed or scared, or both, to tell what is actually going on in there.

Polygamy and sexual assault or abuse....YUCK YUCK YUCK!!! This is not the LDS way, God does not want this to happen, and the men and women who are forcing it or allowing it to happen should be charged with abuse, because it does happen on many levels, and it is definitely criminal.

p.s. I am an active LDS member, the real LDS church, and I would never practice polygamy or engage in any of these things they do on those compounds. Why do you think they have guard towers and try to hide from the world? They are just as brainwashed and oppressed as the people in David Koresh's compound in Waco, TX. It's very sad. Anyone who practices polygamy or arranging marriages for underage children should be prosecuted to the highest extent possible, because not only is it illegal, but it is one of the worst crimes I can think of, to totally ruin lives like they are doing.

Those women in this story are "totally" lying. Go with your gut feeling on this. They will never admit to what actually goes on in there. The only ones who tell the truth about it are the ones who managed to escape.

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Ronny, Moore, OK — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 18:58:56 GMT

To all the "nuts" that say these, or any children in this type situation, should return to parents like these please send your children to them and see what happens! In the name of religious beliefs (in this case a cult) or any reason that takes away the youth of children, I say, you do not need nor deserve children. No excuses!!

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Tania, Northern California — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 18:59:06 GMT

Mother's should be held accoutable. I am an adult now but as a child I was taken away from my mother due to sexual abuse in the home. I wish the system had paid better attention, because later my mother let the child molester back in our home when the state wasn't looking. I feel my mother was totaly at fault for not only not protrecting me to begin with but putting me in further danger by bring him back.

These mothers don't understand what they are doing to thier child anymore than I childrin really understand what is happening to them. If they return these kids before they get to the bottom of this mess they may put those kids at risk. I survived and the system is better now than it was thirty years ago. These kids can't truly understand what the adults are trying to do for them. I am glad someone step in for me. And I hope that the state will stand by these kids and protect them from thier parents ignorance.

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Nada King, Elliston, Va — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 19:00:55 GMT

I agree with David, Temple City,Ca. in all he wrote. Those women are brainwashed, under a heavy yoke, and opressed, you can even visibly see it.The authorities did what thy should ,only should have done it long time ago, it doesn't matter if the young girl who initiatid the raid comes forth or not. She is among those rescued, just afraid to come forth, out of fear of retribution. She knows the tactics of those who have control in those places. We have moral responsibility to stop those twisted minded criminals from ruining any more lives, not just in this concentration camp, but others like it also.And they dare to call themselves "church of the Lord Jesus Christ"! What a blasphemy! O, and yes, the media wants to know their side of the story, so they can tell us, how their rights were violated!If we in this nation are afraid to stop criminals because of violating ther rights, we are giving up our rights to live as decent civilized people. This has already happened to a larg degree in this country. But this case is the ultimate. If we fear to stand up for those children and young women, we have lost our conscience as a nation.

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Tami L.O., Pennsylvania — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 19:04:45 GMT

Have you people lost your minds? Feeling sorry for these women and stating that their and their children's rights have been violated is ludicris!
To allow your child, and trust me these all are children even if they are 16, 17, or even 18 yrs. old, to be "married", have sex and produce more children under the guise of religion is barbaric and digusting in the least.
To allow these "people" (I use the term loosely) access to their children at this point would only hinder the truth being told.
As for breaking apart families, trust me the children that can now be saved and PROPERLY raised and taken care of will be thanking the government, not condemning them.
Organized religion taken to the extreme can only cause harm, not salvation.

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leah — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 19:05:39 GMT

These people are ADULTS and should have the opportunity to live as they choose protected under the law if ALL parties are CONSENTING.
The CHILDREN are also PROTECTED under the LAW....
and the adults in charge of them have a certain RESPONSIBILITY to protect those rights....if this does not happen....then the LAW should step in and protect the children....PERIOD

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Sherry Saddler, IN — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 19:06:06 GMT

My concern is for the children and the children they will bear. Abuse no matter what form it takes will continue until someone steps in to protect and educate the children. Obviously the parents of these children are incapable of protecting their children so unfortunately that leaves only the government. If you are going to prosecute the men then the women should also be prosecuted since they have also failed to protect the children

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doughboy, Miami, FL — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 19:08:28 GMT

I find it odd that despite all the reporting going on with this story, no one has asked a very basic question: WHERE ON EARTH DID THESE PEOPLE GET ALL THEIR MONEY?? Huge temples, compounds, massive housing units, hundreds of acres of land, fleets of SUV's....all from people who dress like pioneers? Come on, who is bankrolling this? You can't tell me that the local FLDS cheese making outfit is doing that well.

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JDahl, Saint Charles, Missouri — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 19:09:23 GMT

Enough of the gestapo comparison and wondering if their was any wrong doing. The wrong doing is there!!! There are 12 and 13 year old girls pregnant!! That is proof enough. It is illegal to have sex with a minor in the state of Texas!! Wake up people!! As far as the sympathizers for the mothers, do you think these children should go back to the kind of life where they are raped????

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Ashley, Austin, TX — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 19:09:53 GMT

Once they get DNA tests back on the children and once the teenagers who are pregnant give birth, they will have their proof. It is just a matter of time. The fact that there are so many pregnant teens should raise a red flag. We do not put up with that in Texas. It has nothing to do with politics. It is simply what is right and wrong.

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Phil Biggs, Everett, WA — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 19:10:13 GMT

Many of the same things have been going on in Russian Old Believer communities across the country for many years. In the four villages on the Kenai Peninsula, marriages are arranged at a young age and the girls are generally married off by the time they are 12 or 13 to boys who are 17 or 18. It isn't polygamy, but the girls are given no choice and the older men in the village make the decisions for everyone else. Often it is just the "grandfather" that makes the decisions. The girls are often mothers by 14 or 15, and most are not allowed to finish high school. At what point do we say this is legal and the other isn't? Why can some groups marry their children at 12 and it is fine and for other groups it is illegal? The State of Alaska has bent over backwards to help these villages. Maybe it is just the way the States react?? It is hard to justify actions unless you are consistent.

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Pam Ancona Clinton Twp, MI — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 19:10:18 GMT

it's sad that here in America we continue to use religion as an excuse to do illegal things. It's nothing more than a cult.

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Cletus Archer — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 19:10:39 GMT

I think a few of you are overlooking some key points regarding this whole fiasco. Some of you have commented that this whole thing has been a type of "religious persecution." Whenever a religious group decides to BREAK THE LAW, then the government has full authority to step in. This is why the Fundamentalist Mormons broke off the main Mormon branch--they were in essence forced out, because the "normal" Mormons appreciated the fact that they could not break the laws of the land. We're talking about CHILDREN. Some of the girls are already mothers by age 13 or 14. And there's no telling how many of them were engaged in sexual relationships with men--some in the FIFTIES--during their elementary school years. How can having sex with a prepubescent girl be justified in ANY religious sect?

As far as the women/children/girls claiming they were not forced to have sex, that is probably true. Keep in mind, these individuals have been BORN into this cult. They have been raised to have the mentality of the cult. To them, it's totally normal (and most likely a "blessing") for a 55 year old man to marry a 13 year old girl.

If you don't want the government to raid these types of institutions because you feel it is "religious persecution," start lobbying at the local level, and try to change laws. Good luck with that, though, because you'll find the majority of your townspeople will slowly excommunicate you on the basis of absurdity.

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Ron Seattle, WA — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 19:11:08 GMT

#1 Polygamy is against the law. Period. End of discussion. The question is why it is tolerated in Texas, Arizona, and Utah. Forget the drama, it is crime and the children suffer.

#2 The women sounded rehearsed. I guess brainwashing will do that to you.

#3 I am sure the Utah MOrmons are embarrassed about this. I have several friends and acquaintances with whom I work, play, etc., who do not believe in this and find it reprehensible.

#4 Religious freedom is one thing, breaking the law is another. Just as some people started "religions" in the 60s and 70s using peyote buttons, magic mushrooms, and pot as part of their worship, and tried to claim religious freedom, these crackpots are no different. Child abuse in the name of religion is not permitted.

I have protested Bush's Blunder in Iraq since the start, but taking down these people is totally legitimate.

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Irving Salsbury, Everett, WA — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 19:11:40 GMT

What we have here is persecution of freedom. Unless there is proof beyond a reasonable doubt we are innocent until proven guilty. Young girls being pregnant is a crime against humanity , this I agree with but we have that in all sects and walks of life, not just in the FLDS faith. However if marriage is happening with underage boys and girls and the girls are oppressed into sex with the boys then we have issues. Fairness and Constitutional rights MUST be adhered to or the government is again (concerning current Iraqi war politics) expressing it's strongarm and oppressing the very people it is sworn to protect.

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Joan H Goble, Rockaway, NJ — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 19:11:46 GMT

This is a strange situation. These people seem like Little House on the Prarie types with a strange view of marriage, not sex per se.

I feel the real issue here is the age of consent for marriage for teenage girls, not actual sexual abuse. Obviously, the cult is breaking the law with regard to polygamy but it is also breaking the law with regared to the age of consent for marriage for young girls.

The polygamy is not being prosecuted when it should be. The state is zeroing in on one thing, the underage marriage and calling it sexual abuse. But as offensive as both polygamy and underage marriage of girls both are, I don't believe this is a case of actual sexual abuse. I read that this sect believed in marriage at 14 for girls which at one time was the age for the marriage of girls in much of the South.

The state of Texas has not handled this well. The mass removal of the children is disturbing. They need to prosecute both the polygamy and the underage marriage of the girls. The issue of the arranged marriages of young girls to older men should also be addressed. However if a girl is of a legal age to marry in Texas (at 16) and she freely chooses to marry an older man in a non polygamous marriage, then that is legal. However, a legal question of undue influence could be raised.

The real problem is the polygamy of the cult. But what is done, can't be undone. And the problem of polygamy is that so many men are dirty dogs who want more than one woman and girls just entering puberty. I think the children should be sent back to the compound to be with their mothers and all the men should be arrested and imprisoned for polygamy except for those males not in polygamous or underaged marriages!

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jjensen — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 19:12:05 GMT

Who cares about polygamy. Who cares if these women share the same husband. What right does the government have to tell these women whom they can sleep with and have children with. Just because it is illegal does not make it a smart law.
Yes, the abuse should be stopped. No one is denying that. But as far as polygamy goes: WHO CARES! The morality in this country is not more or less immoral anyway. We have underage pregnancies and affairs and gay marriages, why not have polygamy.
There is ways of stopping the abuse without seperating all these little children from their mothers.
These mothers have rights! Their rights should not be taken away without due process. They are not the ones marrying the young girls, it is the men. Haul away the men, who are the real problems, and you will have a bunch of women and children that can not marry underage girls!

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Jim — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 19:12:18 GMT

Jessup faked the phone call! Google her name and you will find that she has done this before.

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Ronny, Moore, OK — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 19:12:18 GMT

Sorry but I left this out of my earlier msg:

C.A. Hill, M.J. Starough, Elizabeth from Iowa, and the officials of the "Great State of Texas" we need to give all of you a medal or the Nobel Peace Price for your comments.

Thank you!

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Enso — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 19:12:46 GMT

You people need to read Senator Schaefer from Georgia's report at: www.fightcps.org

Keep mothers and children together!

CPS does not surprise me.

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mb — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 19:13:49 GMT

What must GOD think of mankind useing religious tatics. They should ban all sects..has there ever been one that wasn't found to be illigal??

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LG — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 19:14:33 GMT

Authorities have known that this was going on in the FLDS religion for decades and they have chosen not to prosecute them up until now. The only reason the children have been taken from the environment is because of a phone call for "help" from a 16yr old who has an infant and pregnant again. How about the 16yr that has (4) children? Personally if this is how they want to live that's fine just make sure that the men are having "spiritual marriages"(sex) that are LEGAL and a child is of age to consent( and the young woman knows what it means). I agree that under the current polygamist society young girls are being used by men (young or old)!!! The men are pedophiles, period. I don't know who would want more than (1) spouse whether legal or spiritual but don't abuse the religion for illegal activities and abuse of young girls.

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Chris, Columbus, GA — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 19:16:44 GMT

The American government has too much power, no doubt. But I am so enraged right now that some of you people have the audacity to compare this situation to Nazi Germany, where millions of people were murdered because of an honest religious belief. And I am outraged further that some people here are justifying this group as a religious organization or claiming that "Amerika" is persecuting these people because they are different. They have found 13 year old girls pregnant! This is not the first time these camps have been raided in American history, and for good reason! Parents are instructing their young children to have sex with their cousins! Girls are being raped, forced into mental and physical submission! Boys are being trained to control females! This is not religion. Religion of all kinds teach love, respect, kindness, faith and honor. Give me one example of that here. These men are worthless human beings (and are going to be taught about submission to others in jail, I hope!), these women are sad figures because they don't know how to think. And now there are 416 children that have no homes, no family and no sense of identity. If the Texas government had not interrupted these actions, there would be hundreds more women and children in the same position. Think before you speak and compare this to the actions of the Nazis. And for those of you who said things like that, I pray that you will understand how offensive that was...

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Veritas Vincit, Phoenix, Arizona — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 19:17:32 GMT

http://www.massnews.com/past_issues/2000/5_May/mayds4.htm

Could it be? The Texas Department of Social Services receives up to $6,000 for each child adopted by TDSS.

How many children were grabbed (with no arrests of either mothers or fathers)? Multiply that out by six grand per child and maybe, just maybe we have the true motivation for this government invasion.

Remember, no arrests to date; only seized children.

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Nate, Minneapolis, MN — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 19:17:36 GMT

This is an absolutely horrifying situation. The government steps in and takes your children away, based primarily on a phone call from one person? This is very scary.

On the other hand what's happening in this place is systemic exploitation and oppression and it's happening in the USA in the name of Religion.

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Michelle Lammers — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 19:17:47 GMT

We need to stop this. WE ARE THEM. Who controls these people. Well in texas the people are going in for another Waco. This is a CHURCH.The number to the white house is:1-202-456-1111. CALL> The capital number is:1-202-225-3121. CALL. THIS HAS TO STOP NOW THEY WILL COME TO GRAB YOUR CHILDREN IF YOU LET THEM KEEP THIS UP. HELP THESE PEOPLE.

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L Cartwright, Wells MI — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 19:18:52 GMT

HAVING SEX WITH AN UNDERAGE CHILD IS ILLEGAL!! PERIOD!! THEY SHOULD BE TAKEN AWAY!! IF I AS A MOTHER STOOD BY AND ALLOWED THIS TO HAPPEN TO MY CHILD, THEN I WOULD DESERVE THE SAME TREATMENT!! INSTEAD OF PLAYING WITH DOLLS THESE LITTLE GIRLS ARE BEING FORCED TO HAVE SEX AND BE MOTHERS!! THAT IS DISGUSTING!! YOU WANT PROOF? LOOK AT ALL THE UNDERAGE PREGNANT CHILDREN OR THE ONES THAT ALREADY HAVE CHILDREN. WHAT MORE PROOF DO YOU NEED? LET ME ASK, DO ANY OF YOU, WHO SAY THAT THE GOVERNMENT IS STICKING THEIR NOSE WERE IT DOESN'T BELONG, HAVE GIRLS AROUND 12, 13, 14? NOW IMAGINE A 30,40,50 OR EVEN 60 YEAR OLD MAN, UNDER THE GUISE OF RELIGION, FORCING HIMSELF ON THAT INNOCENT CHILD. OVER AND OVER AGAIN. SICK...JUST SICK!!! PROTECT THE CHILDREN!!

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Bonnie Pasons — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 19:19:30 GMT

Okay, we've heard the womens side of the story.......now round up all the pediophilic men in the compound (that would be ALL of them) and put them in "protective" custody so they can't crawl away and hide and leave the women and kids to face court without them!

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Nancy Slauson, Yorba Linda CA — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 19:20:42 GMT

None of these women convinced me that they were really "heartbroken" over being separated from their children. After all, it is common practice in this sect to remove the children from their birth mothers at age six and send them to whatever location they will be most useful. (This was reported in one of the earliest stories NBC ran.) That is why none of the children really know who their parents are!

These interviews actually make the women look like very poor actors... No real tears, just lots of quivering voices and no direct eye contact. I do regret that the women were obviously so brainwashed that they would stoop to prostituting their daughters. Who would have such power as to be able to control these pitiful women? Amazing.

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Carolyn — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 19:22:17 GMT

These women and children have all been brainwashed by controlling men. Been there, done that. You are afraid to stay, afraid to go. People who have never been abused don't understand. You can't "just leave". Inthis situation--the women and children should have remained together in the comound under state supervision & security. Get the men (no one has seen any of them)out and sequester them somewhere.
Teaching girl children that marrying and having sex with old men is absurd.I disagree with their beliefs, but I think the goverment did not stop and think about how this would affect the children long term. Granted, they need to be out of the abusive situation but not removed from their mothers at such a critical time. They need their mothers for moral support and security. And where is this 16 year old girl???

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Cindy — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 19:22:31 GMT

My husband and I have lived in Southen Utah for three years now and we have both read numerous books on the LDS and FLDS faith and practices. We see polygamists regularly around town and shopping and can't help but feel disgusted that nothing is done or said to these "faithful" who continually disregard the law. It is discouraging to know that these women pull one over on our state welfare system by claiming to be single mothers of 2,3,4 and more kids while honest tax paying citezens get screwed out of affordable healthcare and they get out of paying taxes on their homes because they are "unfinished structures" of 5,000 or more square feet! We have some very good friends who are LDS, but they don't even know some of the truth and history behind their own religion because certain books are not deemed acceptable reading by their prophet. I agree with some of the other comments about reading Krakauer's book and any others especially those who have left the LDS or FLDS faith. It's time to crack down on these overt offenders of the law! Some of these women were born into the FLDS and others have actually joined as adults; they know what they are doing and have the choice to be there. Their children don't and need the assistance of authorities to get them out of this terrible life.

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brad los angeles, ca — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 19:22:38 GMT

This has beeb knwn for 4= years bu they had no 'complaints'. They finally get one, go in and what to they find? pregnant and married minors. Pretty clear. Adn what if they hadn't gone in? Do we end up with the Cathloic pedophile scandal or Jonestown? IF the ACLU pushes hard and little more 'abuse' is found, then those few children NOT foudn to be knocked up or already married should be allwoed to go back for more - oh, and there should be a recheck for more knocked up girls every 6 months. How many cycles should be allowed under the guise of 'private religious freedom'? And i am a firm believer in little government control, but when Jeff's decides to build a country-within-a-country, then someone should step in.

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Penny, Alberta, Canada — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 19:24:20 GMT

I belong to the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. I am a Mormon. And can I just express that these people are NOT Mormon. They branched off of the Church many, many years ago and formed their own religion to please themselves.
I have wondered for many years why it has taken the Government so long charge these "Fundlementalist" groups for practicing polygamy because it is against the law.
I have grown up believing that in a home, the Mother and Father's main goal is to protect the children and provide for them so that they grow up to be descent, respectful, loving and kind individuals. If they fail to protect and provide for their children, it will be on their heads in the eyes of God.
I guess there will be a lot of these Mothers and Fathers who will pay dearly. Whether these mothers grew up in these groups all of their lives and would like the rest of us to think this is all they know, is it not the true instinct of a mother is to know when something just isn't right. If it were the case that they do not have that maternal instinct to protect, then why are so many mothers that belong to these "sects" take their life into their own hands to remove themselves and their children out of these "sects"? I wonder how many of them just don't believe they are strong enough to leave.
These women that would like us to believe they are good Mothers' are just as quilty as their husbands. They have not provided protection for their children and they have sat by and watched as their own have been severly punished and abused in the name of religion.
I know that there is probably little hope for the women and many of the children who will forever carry the scars of what this "sect" has done to them, but I hope and pray that the children will somehow find some peace and some form of normal life. It is them that my heart crys for.