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Kylee, Kennewick, Wa — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 14:12:17 GMT

It's hard not to feel sorry for these people, having their lives torn apart. It also makes you wonder, if they are living such strict and straight lives, why are they now face their families being dissipated? I know if it were me, it might make me take a second look at my practices and even my parenting skills. They have to know that they are doing something wrong right? -If not just the plural marriages.

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N. Figueras Boise, ID — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 14:59:19 GMT

I can't agree with the beliefs and lifestyle of these people but I'm appalled that the state has taken away all the children and babies. That is not right. These people are citizens of this country and until there is proof of abuse of these children they should be with their mothers. I have an 18 month-old and I can't imagine him being taken away from me. My heart goes out to these mothers.

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Ben, Pittsburgh, PA — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 15:23:53 GMT

There's a big gap between what the State/media are saying and what these woman who live there are saying. I think most likely the truth lies somewhere in the middle. I don't doubt that abuses have occurred to some of the children, but I also don't think those things have happened to all the children. It just seems like the parents and kids aren't willing to talk and work with the people trying to help. They are viewing the outside world as trying to destroy their lives, rather than save some of the children from incredibly wrong behavior. Unless the FLDS church institutionally supports child abuse, they should cooperate.

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DAVIDFERDI, BROOKYN NEW YORK — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 15:29:30 GMT

I FIND THESE PEOPLE WAY OF LIFE, NON-THREATNING AND ADMIRABLE.
JUST BECAUSE WE ARE NOT FAMILIAR WITH SOMETHING DOESN'T MEAN WE HAVE TO DEMONIZE IT AND/OR FEAR IT.
I,VE SEEN JEWISH COMMUNITIES WHERE MEN WEAR THEIR HAIR IN WEIRD HAIR CUTS AND WOMEN WEARING WIGS and THEY KEEP TO THEMSELVES. SO WHAT'S THE BIG DEAL!!!
BIG BROTHER SEEMS TO BE GETTING AHEAD OF ITSELF.
I THINK TRANSPARENCY IS GOOD, HOWEVER WE MUST NOT TRAMPLE SOMEONES CIVIL RIGHTS!!!

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S Owens — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 15:30:52 GMT

The life they portray is simple and nice. Thats fine with me.
The part that concerns me is child brides, and where does that stop. Are the smaller children being molested.
Television and Internet exposure is a thing we all need to worry about. But why do the men get to have this, and the children are kept "innocent" seems like if the life is really what they say it is, the men would abide with no TV or Net, also.

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Kree8ive Doe, Lafayette, IN — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 15:35:40 GMT

This is in stark contrast to what escapees from FLDS communities have said publicly. Those interested in the truth should read "Escape" by Carolyn Jessop, who escaped Colorado City with her eight children. I'm sure there are other books by other escapees and former FLDS members. Brainwashing starts at a very early age, and it's a frightening world inside an FLDS town or compound. To leave, a woman does actually have to "escape." I hope CPS in Texas stays strong and never lets those children go back!

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coboll, wisconsin — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 15:37:40 GMT

I saw a news clip on TV last week that said they get welfare money and the more children the bigger the check. Can anyone verify that? Ultimately I don't want to support there way of life.

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Anne Smith, Ridgeway, ON — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 15:42:48 GMT

I don't know who to believe and who not to believe in this whole mess. I DO know that it broke my heart to see these women openly sobbing and hardly able to speak when their children were taken away from them. As a mom, it was hard to watch; I wouldn't want someone to take MY kids awy.

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Marcus Carpenter Tulsa Okla. — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 15:44:32 GMT

Please keep trying to get the story strate. I think the insite was very informative. I sure dont understand the State. I am sure 99.9% of these people have done no wrong that requires the state to take their kids. So why punish all of them. My heart go's out to the mothers and the kids.

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John Chesterton Boston, ma — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 15:46:52 GMT

I have met some of these people, in some ways they seem just like everyone else but in other ways they are quite different.I NEVER got a feeling they were sincere when addressing any issues with me. I don't even think thet are sincere with each other. there always seemed like there was a hidden agenda. After seeing current events I guess there was.

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Phil Wuellner — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 15:48:03 GMT

Thank you for providing a truly fair and balanced report on this group of people.
A question comes to mind however. You report that they are irked about being labeled as closed off from the outside world. Yet three of their men gave an interview in which they said they didn't know polygamy was illegal. Seems a bit contradictory.

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KIM — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 15:48:30 GMT

COME ON..........I WENT TO THEIR WEBSITE. THEY NEED TO USE THE MONEY THEY MILKED FROM THE GOVERNMENT FOR LEGAL EXPENSES. IF THAT WERE ANYONE ELSE THE STATE WOULD HAVE WENT AFTER THE DADS TO PAY FOR THE CHILDREN. IT REALLY UPSETS ME THAT THESE PEOPLE GET AWAY WITH SO MUCH (CHILD ABUSE, RAPE, SPOUSE ABUSE, ETC..). IF THESE PEOPLE ARE NOT HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR THEIR ACTIONS, SOMETHING IS REALLY WRONG WITH OUR LEGAL SYSTEM.

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James McNeill, Gilbert, AZ — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 15:54:37 GMT

Fantastic insights - prior to this, I knew two things about the FLDS - Jack, and Squat. Other than the constant media appraisal of the "compound" etc, I had zero knowledge. Thank you for making these people real instead of a statistic, and sharing some of their stories.

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Lori, Irmo, South Carolina — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 15:58:12 GMT

I feel terrible about these poor kids, and the mothers they were separated from. Too few people realize, there were PLENTY of good families that loved each other very much...all they see are the differences between their chosen lifestyle and mainstream lives. I hope everything works out for the best, and for the happiness of everyone involved.

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Emma, seattle, wa — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 15:58:39 GMT

I wonder where all those outspoken critics against gay marriage are...you know, the ones who cry, "Marriage is between one man and one woman"?
Or is this okay because they are god fearing, straight people?

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GWP — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 16:03:12 GMT

Say what? I'm sorry, but I think you've been given the run-around. They consider their leader to be a God and Prophet, thus it's easy to tell they're a cult, given who in their right mind would believe a man is a God when he's not? I bet they all been told to lie if they are questioned, and I find it odd they claimed they have been outside their ranch yet have no idea of the Texas state laws regarding it is illegal for children under 16 to marry and to marry more than once? Yep, you've been had. You can't trust anything that comes out of their mouths.

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Phyllis Stone, Morganfield, KY — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 16:08:42 GMT

While the women stated they wore long hair just because they liked it, I doubt that. They are no doubt taught that uncut hair makes them more holy and if they cut their hair they would be considered evil. There are current religions that support this teaching such as the United Pentecost Church (UPCI). In order to be accepted in this organization/church, women cannot cut or trim their hair. Neither can they wear jewelry or slacks. All of this behavior is a subtle form of intimidation, power and control. More often than not,these so called "religious" rules are directed toward women. Men dress as they please, but women are not allowed that freedom. It is sad that these women do not realize what is being done to them.

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michman — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 16:10:15 GMT

Do they receive child welfare payments?

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Laura Bramble, Atlanta, GA — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 16:13:22 GMT

Physically "free to come and go" is very different from truly being (and feeling) free to come and go. By creating a stigma of what the world and its inhabitants outside of the church and its grounds, the church has created such fear and mistrust that these women cannot be free to leave. They may not have been taught that the devil lives in every one of us and will get them if they leave, but they have taught enough about the "wickedness" of the outside world to make it next to impossible for these women and children to trust and be comfortable among us "outsiders".
When I see this type of control by a group that claims to be Christian, it shows me that Christian religious groups STILL use faith in Christ as a reason to not act in accordance to Jesus' example. Jesus was a tolerant, understanding, and loving man who tried to break down barriers of prejudice in his own time. How can on truly call themselves a Christian if they put up those barriers, as these church leaders and members have?

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Michael Klamaht Falls Oregon — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 16:14:07 GMT

Boy oh boy, I can't wait untill the state tells the rest of us what to do...pseudo fashists.

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MarkB Boston MA — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 16:17:05 GMT

This whole thing was set off by a complaint of sexual abuse from a 16 year old girl. Now the girl can't be found. Isn't that what they said about Waco? "We need to save the children?" Isn't anyone paying attention?

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Nan M — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 16:17:22 GMT

Why were they not asked the simple mathematics question: If some men have 3 or more wives, that means many other men can have none. Who decides which men may have wives, and when, and how many, and what happens to the boys who will not be given wives?

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JAMES MELTON,GRAY GEORGIA. — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 16:19:22 GMT

EXCEPT FOR THE "MARRIAGE?" LEAVE THESE PEOPLE ALONE AND CONCENTRATE ON THE MUSLEMS WHO WANT TO KILL US.ALL THESE PEOPLE WANT TO DO IS BE LEFT ALONE.

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Deborah B. Grand Forks, ND — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 16:21:43 GMT

As if anyone who was involved in this sort of abuse, seeing the shock it's causing to those on the outside, would want to admit to knowing anything about it.

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Kevin, Canfield, OH — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 16:22:02 GMT

Funny. They don't let their kids watch TV because of the sex & violence. But when the girls turn 14,15 or 16..they get to learn about it with a 30+ year old grown man behind close doors... interesting way to live.. reminds me of 3rd world radical Islam.. Do they stone criminals to death too? Or are they incapable of committing crimes because they choose to live a higher path?...

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krounded - Chicago — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 16:22:48 GMT

Do they vote in US elections?

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Pastor Ernest P. The true spiritual guide of the people. — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 16:23:35 GMT

Just commenting that a few days ago I saw a so called woman expert on these issues on TV, saying that the children are not allowed to smile nor laugh and play. I had already seen on the news before where the children were playing with balls and running around and laughing. Maybe they are abused maybe not, misled by their leaders for sure, but so are many of the other denominations people. Heard of Obama's church? How about Muslims, Catholics, and all the others, we believe and live as the leaders we believe in do. Even after your "spiritual" leaders are found with prostitutes or trying to get into the panties of the wives and women they are counceling, or boys and girls they are molesting.
All they have to ask for is forgiveness. How nice of you stupid, idiotic, morons. But you can forgive me for calling you mindless pigs right? After all, you are forgiving belivers in the lord right? So before you make up stories and condemn the lifestyles of others, check yourself and whoever told you that you are righteous above all others. Maybe your being brainwashed, dummies.

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Marlene Lenius — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 16:24:16 GMT

are the women free to move back and forth to the "ranch" and town? Are they programmed to talk as though they are in a vacuum? They should be forced to live as all others (me) if they are collecting welfare or any social security. Hard for me to believe they are eligible for any Gov. programs.

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Michael, Klamath FAlls, Oregon — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 16:24:43 GMT

Lay off our fellow americans "free" choice to wear what they wish. You should ponder muslim women who cant show their faces or speak to men outside their family. Come on they wear all black in the hottest places around! America is a bunch of psuedo facists trying to force others to follow legislated beliefs with an iron hand. Better hope your kids arent next.

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Lisa, Plano, Texas — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 16:27:20 GMT

Very interesting lifestyle...I understand about not exposing to video, cell phones, some t.v., but what about other races of the world. For instance have they ever layed eyes on a African American? What is told about other races besides their own?

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Richard Lawrence, Santa Fe, NM — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 16:27:41 GMT

I lived in Utah in the 60s when I was a 13 and found the Morman religion and poletics to be quite easy going and the people very welcoming and friendly. I am a Catholic but that did not seem to be a problem while living there and noone ever tried to convert me to their religion. I am not familiar with the ranch in Texas or the FLDS but if they are anything like the Mormans in Utah, I think that most of what you read in the press regarding this situation is just a bunch of hipe and bad treatment of a group of people that choose a different way of life from the dominant US culture. Regarding the marrage of underage girls to older men, the law should just treat this cases as individual cases like any other legal matter. In any case where there is a sexual relationship between an underage person and an adult the law handles it as a sexual crime and deals with the adult person according to the laws of that particular state but does not involve or charge any other people that were not involved especially, family members. Additionally, every effort is taken to keep any child or children born from such a union with the mother. Asside from cases regarding underage unions, there does not seem to be any signs of any other forms of child abuse. Therefore, I would say that let these people return to their way of life, leave them to themselves and deal with the each case of underage sexual cases seporately. This activity.\, by the state of Texas, is nothing short of group or collective persecution and should not be happening. If any children are placed in foster care, the state should make every effort to find Morman families to place them in. Utah is a very big state and I am sure that, if asked by Texas, they would find good families to place them in.

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Tinez — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 16:27:49 GMT

America is once again showing it's intolerence for people outside of the norm. Who can say or determine who lives wrong them or us. We are the ones that have a higher crime rate etc.

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Linda Brooks austin texas — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 16:29:05 GMT

As a woman, it hurts me to the core to see these women that do not know anything outside their bubble. It is exactly like slavery. But with the slaves oblivious to it. Because that is all they know. I could not beleive that these women come from generations of inslaved women that do not know better. How could a man allow a sick OLD man have his way with his young daughter? But if what I have heard if true, is that they do not bond with the children. And if they have a choice not to marry old men. Have any married the young guys that are their age?? If not, why. I would rather marry a young guy like myself back then when I was young. Not an OLD man. YUCK!!

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Amelia Standard, Bryan, Texas — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 16:31:19 GMT

I strongly disagree with these people's beliefs. They state they don't allow their children to watch tv or use internet to protect them from sex; who is protecting their children from sex inside the ranch. Young girls are being married off to men old enough to be their grandfathers. These poor girls have no idea what marriage is about, or the duties expected of them. In my opinion these people or no different than any other pettifile or child molester.

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JANE ,DALLAS TX — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 16:31:52 GMT

THANKS TO THE REPORTER POSTING THE FLDS WEBSITE ABOUT THE SITUATION..AFTER WATCHING THE PICTURES OF THE KIDS WHEN THEY THEY WERE TAKEB AWAY..IT'S SO HORROBLE THAT THE STATE HAS TO PUT THESE CHILDREN THROUGH THIS...THE POOR CHILDREN AND THEIR MOTHERS, GRANDMOTHERS WERE TORN ...THE CHILDREN ARE SUFFERING AND LOOK SCARED OF ALL THE MILITARY STYLE OPERATION THERE!!! ARE WE IN FREE UNITED STATES??? OR IN A CHINA ATTACKING TIBET LIKE SITUATION??? ARE WE ATTACKING THEM BECAUSE OF THEIR RELIGIOUS BELIEFS??? IT WAS BASED ON A PHONY PHONE CALL?? NOW THE STATE ARE BEING HORRIBLE PUTTING THESE POOR INNOCENT CHILDREN IN FOSTER HOME WITH PEOPLE OF DIFFERNT LIEFSTYLES??? WHAT A PITY?

IF THERE ARE MEN ABUSING THE KIDS THERE, THEN JAILES THEM, BUT LEAVE THE MOTHERS AND CHILDREN ALONE!!! WHY TRAUMATIZING AND MAKE THEM SUFFER...UNTIL NOW IT HAS NOT BEEN PROOVEN THAT THERE HAS BEEN ABUSED...WHERE IS "INNOCENT UNTIL PROOVEN GUILTY IN AMERICA??? WHY SEND THESE POOR SCARED KIDS AS FAR AS 500 MILES IN FOSTER HOMES??? PEOPLE OF AMERICA, YOU DO NOT OWN YOUR CHILDREN, THE CPS AND THE STATE CAN JUST TAKE THEM AWAY FROM YOU , BASED ON A PHONY CALL!!!

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Carolyn Frey — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 16:38:35 GMT

I haven't heard if the State Welfare Dept. makes any payments to these women for the children? They don't seem to be giving the names of the fathers. The state of Texas has the right to protect these children from abuse, rape or early motherhood since their mothers don't seem to be protecting them.

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Jackie Hamton, Bolton, North Carolina — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 16:39:52 GMT

These women claim to love their children. If these women are so insistent about getting their chldren back, why won't they co-operate with the authorities? They won't supply names, ages, or birthdates of the children. To me, that doesn't show much love.

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Nancy, Carolina Beach — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 16:43:21 GMT

I believe this is some what like the Amish. They are such a tight knit group that the "outside world" doesn't really know what is truth and fiction. I believe ther is a lot of brainwashing among the "YFZ" group but at the same time I think it is possible that the ones who have "escaped" may embelish some.

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someone in oregon — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 16:46:33 GMT

while I am not mormon, FLDS, whatever, I do think the whole thing is a bit ridiculous, and it appears that the state of Texas just hates them and was waiting for an excuse to do this. The pictures look like a warzone, to me it's unacceptable to burst in with tanks and armed soldiers terrifying people, taking children away, and rummaging through thier stuff like it's a major drug bust. I do think the Mormons, FLDS, ARE rather wierd, and I'm sure some of the "marriages" did involve underage brides, (and that's wrong), BUT the situation should have been handled differently. If the state of Texas was that concerned, they should have set up an office there, or had people from the state check on the children periodically and let them know that certain things are not ok, and they don't have to put up with it, and they can leave and seek help. Anyone could have left at any time, there were no walls around the ranch, compound, whatever you want to call it. I understand they were concerned about child abuse, but another question is WHY did they then take "children" who were 18, 19? Why indeed take children who are 17, the legal age of consent? I think America needs to address the double standard of WHY do we allow SOME girls who are, say, 13, 14, to have a baby and KEEP it, give her food stamps, etc, call her a "woman", and then OTHER girls are called "children" at 17, 18, and taken away from thier family, when there's no PROOF that anything's even wrong other than a vague phone call that may not even have happened. Also, we may think it's "weird" or "wrong", but that's THIER religion and way of life, who are WE to judge? To me, they're a bit wierd, but not much stranger than the average settler in the "old west". And my final thought, if the state of Texas knew about thier lifestyle and didn't like it, and knew they had multiple wives, etc, WHY did they wait until NOW to do something about it?

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Terry Acred - Jackson, Tennessee — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 16:48:24 GMT

Although I do not agree with thier theology I still have a serious problem with all this. Is this not still the United States. What about religeous freedom, the right to be believe differently. These people have already been judged, on hear-say. Do they not have the right to practice their religon, whether we agree with them or not? What about being innocent until proven quilty? If this was a Muslim compound what kind of reaction would we be seeing from the general population and the media? A land of tolerant? Don't seem so. The most troubling from all of this is the statement that they are brain-washing their children. Who set the standard on what we are to teach chrildren? After respect for authority, caring for our fellow man, and providing for our families do we not have the right to teach them what we place our faith in and how that faith is expressed in our lives? I am a member of the Southern Baptist Church, and place my faith in God, attend church faithfully and also required my chrildren to attend and learn all the lessons that were taught as well as memorize parts of the Bible. Now, to millions of people in the U.S. I have brain-washed my children, they were not given a free choice in what they believe and because I may have jerked one of them up and spanked their bottom I would also be quilty of child abuse. We must understand that when ever we judge and convict a group, even though they may be a "fringe" group, after they are gone the judging and convicting is just that much closer to the "main stream". Also, I am a "country boy" from Tennessee without a college degree which I quest also makes my reasoning irrational because of a flawed upbringing. Oh, and my kids? All have a college degree, two have a bachelor degree, another is working on a masters, and the fourth has a doctorate degree. We place people into groups so we can judge them as a group and react to all in that group in the way we have decided that we should act if they belong to that group, which relieves us of the responsibility of getting to know individuals and understanding that it is being different that makes us interesting. This group today, my group tomorrow, and your group - when?

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Melissa, Omaha, NE — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 16:50:37 GMT

i find it funny that they won't allow television or the internet to the 'children' because of sex, when they're marrying them off as children and having sex as children.

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Ben Ashley, Teague Texas — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 16:50:56 GMT

This country was founded, on part, for the freedom of religion. I am a retired peace officer and still work in the legal field in Texas. I have witnessed first hand the ability of the State to "invent" reasons to invade the rights of people that they believe are different are that may seem to be a threat to the known statndard that we except. A criminal that is a leader does not make the entire population under that leader criminals. The State can make up any story they want and the main steam media will report, without fully investigating, the story as being true. Have we considered the history of the state officials that prmoted the story and who is the confidental informer. Does he or she really exist.

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Charles, Washington, DC — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 16:51:13 GMT

Propaganda, is what this is, they won't give they're last names, the guys won't talk b/c they will be asked questions about how they like to sleep with little girls, they get their money also from filing for government welfare benefits, the girls lied about their ages b/c they are preganent...this is a bunch of crap...I guess if your a pediphile why end up on Chris Matthews show "to catch a predator" why not just join the FDLS and become a "religous pediphile" instead b/c it's all happy go lucky in their "compound" wake up America these people are sexual deviants, If some scumbag tried to sleep with one of my underage nieces me and my other brothers would probably kill them before the police got them....

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Mrs John Doe, Somewhere, Indiana — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 16:54:47 GMT

The people of this community don't sound much different from the people of the Amish/Mennonite communities here in the midwest. Not terribly different from my own family. My daughters & I wear dresses and our hair long. Our dresses are whatever we find from yard sales & 2nd hand stores--I haven't the sewing skills to make our own. Most of the things in retail stores are indecent for grown women let alone young girls. We live a home-based life. We have a small farm with livestock and a large garden. We homeschool. We attend a fairly mainstream church of the Christian faith--Assembly of God. The way in which we choose to live our day to day life is not required or taught by our church, just the way we choose to live. We have no TV, but we do have a computer with internet access. We interact with our neighbors, but are content to just live our lives and raise our children with as little influence from much of this society. Why would I want to expose their young minds to violence, disrespect and sexual overtones of much of the "common" things in society today. Families today are made up of many combinations of adults--married male/female, single female or male with or without a girlfriend/boyfriend, same sex or opposite sex--raising children as they see fit to the best of their ability. Abuse--mental, physical, sexual--can happen in any of them. If none of this is happening, leave the children alone with their parents. It is the parents responsibility to raise their children as they see fit.
Just my thoughts!
Anonymous mother of five in the midwest

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Marc, Fort Lauderdale, FL — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 16:56:38 GMT

Thank you for this article. Whatever happened to freedom to be left alone in this country? I wouldn't choose this church's way of life, but I don't like the government interfering with their freedoms of religion and association. I have yet to read any evidence of abuse.

It makes me angry when a faith group is singled out by authorities, meanwhile we give out condoms and birth control in public high schools, and allow "private" sex clubs in many cities. Something is wrong here.

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rs — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 16:58:14 GMT

What concerns me as much as the sexual abuse of minors (come on, let's call it what it is, pedophilia) is the beating of women and children and what one person who had left the compound and spoke on NBC said was done to her baby(ies?) which was beating them and then waterboarding the infants to break their spirit. If it's torture to an adult, how much worse is it for an infant, and how do we know how many they may have actually killed this way either by intent or accident? You can't do things like that without taking away the risk the child could die. And beating an infant is abuse no matter how you look at it. This group needs extensive investigating, and any men treating their wives or children by beating and/or waterboarding must be imprisoned, where maybe they could get much of the same treatment to break their spirit! If that's how they "love" their children, it's beyond sick.

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Lilly Norris, Nashville, TN — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 17:03:13 GMT

when do the children have time to play and what do they do for entertainment? How do they learn about reality outside of the "Ranch". the women seem to be subserviant. when will they wake up?

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cyndy pierce, Orange, CA — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 17:05:47 GMT

Thanks don for the insight on some of the personal asspects of the group. I was wondering about the women's hair. I am not sure I believe all of what they say, but who am I to doubt their convictions. Each side has a view. Great job.

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Jinn — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 17:05:59 GMT

I remember reading they didn't want their kids taken away because they wanted them to remain pure. Hah. They are not learning "purity" on the ranch!
And prior to this, they say they didn't talk to strangers because they didn't want to sound weird. Gee, no chance of that now,eh?

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Ch ~missouri — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 17:07:23 GMT

I CAN'T BELIEVE THAT ANYONE WOULD EVER FORCE AT 13 YEAR FEMALE CHILD TO "COMMIT" TO SOME OLDER MENTALLY SICK MAN AND BE FORCED TO HAVE CHILDREN! IT IS AGAINST THE LAW AND ALL OF YOU WHO HAVE CHOSEN TO PUT YOUR CHILDREN THROUGH THIS HELL SHOULD GO TO JAIL WITH ALL THE MENTALLY DERANGED MEN WHO DID THIS SICK MANIPULATION AND SEXUAL ASSAULT AGAINST THESE CHILDREN!

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Maegan, Dallas, Tx — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 17:08:18 GMT

Thanks for all the answers!

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susan gower, pittsburgh, pa — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 17:12:51 GMT

In response to your article; I would be interested to know how many convicted child abusers, child rapists, and their enablers would also say that they love their children and would do anything to regain custody of them. The women of FLDS say that the children are their primary concern, but many of them have left their children to go back to the "ranch". It is also interesting that the women proclaim devotion to the Church, but are unwilling to talk about what happens in it. With regards to the underage sex via "spiritual" marriage; I think that the results of the DNA will conclusively show that it is practiced and that children are having children on the "ranch". I wonder what the women will say and do then, I imagine what they have said and done so far, which is very little.

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Sarah, Jersey City, NJ — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 17:16:00 GMT

I found it very shocking that these people had married 13 year old girls away to older men but now it just sounds hypocritical of Texas government to have allowed girls who are 14 to marry with parental concent but just because these people didn't sign a legal paper and live apart from general population it's a sexual crime.
I guess if these people break the front gate and get the marriage cirtificate for these girls, there will be no legal action against them ?

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Rhonwyn, Seattle, WA — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 17:17:35 GMT

Where do the children play? I never see any playstructures or outside toys. I never see any toys period.

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charity shingler — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 17:21:20 GMT

I think the kids look happy and healthy. cps should just let the kids go home. Cps is not always there to help. They are also there to hurt.

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Mike & Trisha, Dover, Delaware — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 17:21:54 GMT

Wow. Many don't realize the extreme far reaching implications this entire case has on everyone. We're not Mormon, but are Christian. And the very fact that this case and extracation came based off of a pathalogical lier who called in with another lie as a 16 year old captive, and that the State came and simply took children WITHOUT an investigation of this anonymous caller, is scary at the very least.

If you read this artcicle, you will find that most everything they defend is along the lines of what a large majority of Christian, especially Conservative Christians believe and uphold.

Will someone who is bitter and a lier call the Child Services on a Christian family, simply because they have an agenda? And will the State take the children from their parents without a full investigation?

Folks Mormon or not, we all need to stand up to the Child Protection / State, which, btw, has NO ONE watching what they do, and demanding they take responsibility for their actions.

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Andy Nelson — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 17:25:10 GMT

Child molestation and rape are just that - no matter what you call it ("spiritual marriage"). I've seen the interviews of these cult members - they all find convenient excuses why the rape of little girls should be permitted. It just makes me sick.

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Sara, Georgia — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 17:25:29 GMT

This would seem like they have a very nice life if the circumstances were different. I mean, who hasn't wished that these were simpler times when your kids could play outside without getting kidnapped, or you could walk down the street without getting asked for money by 5 homeless guys. It would be nice, if they weren't lying through their teeth. Children's Services have already confirmed that there were a lot of pregnant girls under the age of 16, and a lot that have multiple children that they have custody of. I don't think that an outbreak of teen pregnancy would be coming out of the blue all of a sudden, nor would it be in line with the Mormon religion that they practice so strictly. Do they actually think they are fooling anybody? Of course, we like having long hair and wearing thermal underwear with long layers in this Texas heat. Maybe they are so sheltered that they actually have been trained to like it.

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Brad Weddle, Kent,Wash. — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 17:25:56 GMT

First, I admit to not following this story very closely and may be asking a ignorant question here. I have read about what this group has been acussed of, and I agree with our laws concerning underage marriages, but have not been able to find any articles of proof relating to the accusations. For instance they have yet to find the girl that called in the orginal accusation. My concern is the ability of the State to take on such an undertaking on accustaions only, without any proof to support such a drastic measure of removing all these children.

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1friend, Houston, TX — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 17:27:12 GMT

Good report. I'm sure the intention of this group is to be God-fearing and righteous and to "go back to a simplier time" apparently. One problem however, is the book of Mormon, which oversteps the Bible's direction for 1) Christian men to be the husband of one wife, and 2) Christians to give Caesar's things to Caesar, i.e., to respect the laws of the government under which they live. There is nothing God-fearing or righteous in polygamy or child brides -those things are lifestyle choices cloaked in the "justification" of a so-called prophet and "holy" book. The Bible is complete if one understands it correctly, and needs no Latter Day addition written on the North American continent.

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Sarah, IL, but NOT Chicago — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 17:31:11 GMT

These people are insane. They're brainwashed from birth. Of course they're going to give stock answers from pre-programmed responses. They're belief system is inherently misogynistic and damaging. Women pushed for their rights so that they wouldn't have to live like these women do. It's a shame they grew up in such conditions. I can only hope that the children being put into foster homes can take advantage of being exposed to the real world instead of being swaddled in the cotton of an oppressive fantasy land. One can only hope that support will be available for the older children who don't want to go back to that. Unfortunately, the younger children won't have much of a choice, nor much of a future if they have to go back to their "compound."

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MARGARITA, FRESNO CALIFORNIA — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 17:32:13 GMT

It is moraly sinful and against all laws to submit women and children to all the mental and physical abuse that they have endured.IT NEEDS TO BE STOPPED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Brad Weddle, kent, Wash — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 17:32:43 GMT

Forgot to thank you for the article Don.

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HHinson — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 17:32:46 GMT

Those kids, even if returned to their parents, are never going to be safe or trust adults again.The state of Texas "rescued" me and I ended up in the adoptive home from hell. People don't realize how easy it is to terminate parental rights. These kids get no regard for their eelings. Ask where your parents are, and you are told the stock answer CPS provides foster parents: "They can't take care of you right now." Ask to call or write, and you are told no. Eventually you are told to stop asking. The state assigns new parents to you. You are to forget your old ones, and love these new ones. You are a happy family. The state expects this to happen because it says so. When you "fail to bond" with parents you never wanted, you are "diagnosed" with bogus diseases such as "attachment disorder" and drugged or sent to therapy. A study in the 90s showed that 80% of foster kids were on medications.Here's the REALLY sinister part: sibling groups do not have to be placed together, and the law does not require that you be allowed to maintain contact. Texas seals adoption records, and these brothers and sisters, who usually remember each other, may never find each other again. Try to find parents and siblings, and you are told that records can't be released "to protect their privacy." They're told the same when they look for you. Never mind that none of you want this "service."Records are only released by court order, and you can only petition the court that finalized your adoption, even if you were not born in that county or even the state. Some judges, such as Judge Gaither in Dallas, do it on request. Others, like my judge, deny the request for any reason. Those kids, even if returned to their parents, will never feel safe or trust adults again. And what about teen moms? Will they be allowed to keep their children? Be interesting to hear what the kids say 20 years from now. Will they believe "it was for their own good?" Or will they be as angry about being taken away from home, forced into modern clothes, their hair cut, forced medical exams, forced drugging for depression/acting out due to anger at their seizure, etc as others have been?

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McKenzie, Lubbock TX — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 17:35:27 GMT

I just want to make one small point - and this is just a personal opinion. I don't profess to know or agree with all that these people do.

I live in a small town. If one member of our community was suspected of sexual misconduct with a child (or whatever they're calling it), the authorities wouldn't round up every child in the community and remove them from their homes; they would only remove the particular child in question.

Granted, the authorities don't know who called in the tip. Better to be safe than sorry, I know...but I can't help but imagine how scared my children would be without me. :(

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Sun, St. Robert, MO — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 17:36:30 GMT

One issue I have is that I have heard the "spiritually" married wives get public assistance from the US Government - welfare, etc. I have a real issue with this since there are so many that accept this help from the govt. If the men want so many wives and children, they need to provide for all of them and not be leaning on the taxpayers to foot the bill for the lifestyle. The really makes me angry. What are people's opinion's on this?? And are there any figures out there of what percentage of the people recieve government assistance?

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Concerned in Philadelphia — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 17:39:14 GMT

I am digusted at the way the authorities handled this! I agree that if they thought children were being abused than Child Protective Services should have intervened a long time ago. These women also need to wake up and realize their situation, they cannot leave on their on accord. They would have to plan an escape that involves maybe leaving their children behind and risk being beaten or killed if they are caught. They are lying when they sit on TV and claim to be so happy! They and their children are considered the property of their husband(s). Does this sound like a good life to you! I am glad that the children were removed b/c now they have a chance at a normal life with normal people!

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Jennifer Wood, Atlanta, GA — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 17:40:16 GMT

All we are hearing about are the women and the children. Where are the concerned husbands?

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sam moyers , madera,ca — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 17:40:18 GMT

I certainly hope this whole episode does not turn out like the fiasco in Bakersfield, ca, when so many people were tainted by charges brought about by hysterical and ethically challenged prosecutors. From what I read here suggest strange people, but free, to live the way they want. Not child abusers.
I am not a member of any religion.

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R, Seattle, WA — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 17:42:20 GMT

Thanks for the insight. To put this in a larger context, read "Under the Banner of Heaven" by Jon Krakauer. I, no in way, profit by this recommendation. It's just a darned good book about the roots and beliefs of Fundamentalist Mormons.

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Suzi Dube Saco, Maine — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 17:42:23 GMT

I only have to say, look at there respectful kids and look at the other children of there ages. I am not saying all, but children do not dress properly, do not show respect for things or other people in our society, I do not agree with child abuse but I do not think our society should be judging how they dress and act, when we have kids killing kids and no respect. We have lots of child abuse and that should not be tolerated. So we have taken away their children herding them like cattle to strange and unfimilair places, do we really know what we are doing or is it that we just do not like their life style? I think about a bad rumor and it then grows so big that it insights a linch mop

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Dave, Beacon NY — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 17:44:19 GMT

Can you say "Star Trek" boys and girls? The hair, the dresses, the dislike of red clothing...I'm sure I saw that one!

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Jessica , Carol Stream, IL — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 17:44:28 GMT

Ok, they say they dont want to expose their children to sex and violence on tv and the internet. Yet, they have men taking advantage of these young girls! It doesnt make sense because that is demonstrating sex and violence at a younger age.

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Jancis M. Andrews, Sechelt, BC, Canada — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 17:44:59 GMT

When girls are brought up to believe they must obey men, and become concubines in the FLDS harems, that is abuse. When kids are taken out of school long before Grade 12, thus preventing them from having a good career or going on to university,that is abuse. When young men are kicked out in order to cater to "polygamy math" because Mother Nature has the sexes almost equal in number (there are not even two women for every one man) and selfish elders want all the young girls for themselves, that is abuse. When children are taught that mainstream citizens are evil and that they must avoid them at all costs, that is abuse. When people are taught that they must obey the prophet or they will burn for ever in Hell that is abuse. The FLDS is a cult, not a religion. And by the wya, both St. Paul and Christ said a man must have but one wife (check Matthew 19, 3-9; First Eipistle Paul to Timothy, 3, 1-2,12; and the Epistle from Paul to Titus, 1, 4-7.) The FLDS are the biggest blasphemers around. The sooner that tyrannical cult is broken up, the better.

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R H, Provo, Utah — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 17:46:51 GMT

What about the cousin marrying cousin situation, is there some inbreeding going on? There are certainly justifiable reasons for laws agains that. That scares me the most about these people. I've grown up around it and have seen some pretty messed up genes in those groups, talk about a nuclear mutation (does Bart Simpsons three-eyed fish ring a bell?) I think the state of Utah finally figured the best approach to the situation when throwing the statutory laws at them for the underage sex. True Mormons believe in following the state laws, and not making up their own 'God given' laws, these guys are far from anything Mormon, I know, I am one. These people give us all a bad rap and their lifestyle sickens me. I hope they throw the book at them, and break them up.

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Randy Stull, Erwin, TN — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 17:49:04 GMT

Now spend several days talking with the "lost boys" and women who have left the compound. Compare the two pictures you get.

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John Daniels, Mephis, TN — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 17:49:31 GMT

Good god people...learn to use a dictionary. "Fashists?", "PROOVEN?" Another example of the degradation of education in America now. Children don't want to learn, teacher who don;t want to teach, or can't due to the restrictive nature of the government schools. SIGH.

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Jenn Seattle, WA — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 17:50:18 GMT

It's hard to speculate being on the outside...you should read "Escape" by Carolyn Jessop, she was once a part of this community and had to escape with her eight children. She would assure you this is NOT a harmless community.

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Anna Lee, Washington DC — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 17:51:11 GMT

Let's not forget what this actually is...a child sexual abuse case. Would we protest if any other child in danger of being sexually abused were removed? Of course not. FLDS has started a propaganda war to make it seem that their way of life is totally acceptable and you are falling for it if you think this is all about their religion. When these children were removed the state of Texas let their mothers come along. No other abuse case is handled that way. The children would always be completely separated from the parents. They are trying to handle this in a way that is the least stressful on these children. And at the end of the day the children, their welfare and their long-term psyche is all that we should be worried about.

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Bruce Gee, Charlottesville, VA — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 17:53:42 GMT

In my experience, within every group -- Christian, atheist, Muslim, polyamorous, etc. -- most people are nice, there are a few jerks, and one or two downright creeps. I'm sure that's true with these people as well. I hope we don't use a "one-size-fits-all" type of justice, but take the time to sort out the good eggs from the bad ones.

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Missouri — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 17:56:27 GMT

I saw on tv the day they bus the kids to foster/group homes, you can see their shadows in the bus waving. What or who were they waving at? The camera men, the caretakers, the police officers? I wonder if they were waving not out of sadness or homesick but a tinge of joy? I think it is wrong to remove the children from the mother, they should of removed the men.

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J. Cain, Warrensburg, MO — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 17:56:48 GMT

Leaving out the fact that these people are all part of a cult, and that most of the things in this whole ordeal are immoral...IT'S ILLEGAL. If people want to believe that there are civil matter's involved then let them, but the fact of the matter is that being married to a minor younger then 16 and having multiple wives is against the law. I sympathize with these families but everyone needs to look past that and realize that the law applies to everyone regardless of race, creed, or RELIGION.

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Reverend Lissa Bussard — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 17:56:56 GMT

This is yet another example of the Feds sticking their collective noses into peoples lives. What we don't understand, we fear, what we fear, we try to destroy...... With all the effort and money spent on this little fiasco, so much good could be done.... but alas, that's not the way our government works..... Leave those poor people alone, give their children back to them and find something constructive to do. Although I don't live their livestyle, I totally support their RIGHT to pursue a life they wish to live.....

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Lynda Phoenix, AZ — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 17:57:38 GMT

Unfortunately these are relatives of mine. No, I do not practice this religion. I have cousins and aunts there, both in Colorado City and TX. The men are the only people that count or have power. The children and wives are property of the men. The female children do "marry" at a young age because the belief is the more children a man has the closer he is to God. There is physical abuse, sexual abuse and emotional abuse. The women are not "free" to come and go as they wish. They are also not able to say no to an arranged marriage. The people in this sect are taught to tell mistruths about their practices inorder to protect the sect and their prophets. The women are not allowed to cut their hair nor are they allowed to wear shorter dresses or slacks. This is a CULT. The few powerfull men are all controling of everyone within the compound (and they do refer to it as the compound).

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Linda, Chicago — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 17:57:39 GMT

For those looking for information about the FLDS and their members, I suggest reading the book Under the Banner Of Heaven by Jon Krakauer....it provides a tremendous insight on these people and their beliefs...and why the state is concerned for the welfare of these children!

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Maegan, Dallas, Tx — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 17:58:53 GMT

Thanks for all the answers!

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Dan, Philly, PA — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 17:59:13 GMT

Everyone seems to be focusing on how horrible plural marriages are, or if it is a cult or a religion. All religions are, or were a cult at some point, with many practices that were considered heinous by the mainstream. The country was founded on the principle that all should have the right to worship or not worship in the way that they believe and as long as no one else is hurt by those beliefs the government should have no grounds to intervene. If the men want to have multiple wives or even if the woman decide they would like multiple husbands, who are we to judge, as long as all persons involved are making those choices on their own free will.

That is the key point, this is simply a child abuse investigation, and maybe kidnapping if it can be shown that individuals are coerced into making choices. If the state can prove any case where someone was hurt as a result of laws being broken then by all means prosecute them. We can not blame them for feeling loyal to their community and shunning the outside world, all religions do that, and most cultures, they live like the Amish but marry more the one woman, do you think the Amish are any older when they marry but they are left alone. We have no right to judge their beliefs just because they go against the mainstream. Wouldn't we all be ticked off if they are the only ones to get to heaven.

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A.L.P., Seattle, WA — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 17:59:49 GMT

I was sad to see the children taken away from their mothers. I do think however that we can only let a religion go so far in how they treat their children. Let's not forget that a young girl called saying she was being abused. I also find it very interesting that a convicted child molester is their "prophet" and that this religion really panders towards the men. How nice that god allows them to enter into "spiritual marriages" with young girls. How nice that god allows them to have total control over how the women dress, how they do their hair, whether they wear makeup or not. I know they say they can come and go as they please, yada, yada, yada, but I know what's it like to grow up in a religious community and to be told you have freedom while at the same time being conditioned to never break from what is really wanted.

You know what? I think I've had a revelation from god too! He's told me that I can have sex with minors! It's his will! Whoo hoo for me! This god thing is great! I can just make all sorts of claims and NO ONE can check with him, cause let's face it, he's hard to get ahold of! I've actually found god is not the greatest of references, but I guess that's why he's easy to put down as one... you just say "god" or "the lord" and uh, there ya go! That automatically makes you a good person who is doing his will. Who's going to question that?

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Marla Robertson, Lake Tahoe, Calif — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 18:00:34 GMT

Its disgusting how they live their lives and what they are putting their children through. How confusing for them to have to call all these "sister mothers" Mother. they dont even know who their real parents are.
M Tahoe

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Chris, Kewanee IL — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 18:01:45 GMT

If you grow up where the adults tell you certain behaviors are the norm, how would you ever know different? These people have no ability to question anything. Any religious group that produces "robots" is a cult. As a Christian, the only way for me to grow in my faith is to ask questions. It helps to make my faith stronger. The FLDS leaders are out for only themselves. They can cover all their greed, lust, and leachery under the guise of religion and act righteous. Mind games are going on here and the women and children are suffering for it. I hope the lies are brought to light by the officials investigating.

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jsut me in Idaho — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 18:02:46 GMT

To Jane in Dallas,
If a mother allows her 14-16 year old daughter to be forcible married to a 30-50 year old man then she is just as guilty as the old man. If they beat their children into submission then they are abusers as well.
To the idiots that say look the other way and go fter the radical islamists. The islamists aren't raping OUR under age US girls!!! Let them solve their own problems and let us solve ours. This isn't big brother BS! This is doing the right thing to protect ALL children even the ones that are unfortunate enough to be born into the FLDS.

All LDS believe that when they go to heaven they get as many wives as they want. Sound like an islamic radicle to you? I will never be a part of ther FLDS or the LDS because they all lie to get what they want. I have grown up and lived my entire life surrounded by them. Read the book of the morman and you'll see how they wrote their own book of the bible to back up their man-made religion. The other day I asked a man that is part of the morman religien what his views on this sunject were and he informed me that he hadn'theardnything about it. Yeah right, ask them if the woman get all the husbands they want in eternity. You won't like the answer.
A couple years ago I asked an LDS woman who is married to a friend of mine (a friend that she forced to join the morman church or no more sex) to explain why the ever allowed polygamy and she said her mother told her that when the mormans were moving out west during the pioneer days their were more women then men so they allowed it for protection of the women from the indians. What a croc!

This is a cult that broke from another cult and they have thumbed their noses at the law for to long. I have no sympathey for the mothers or fathers. It's the kids that I worry about and the state of Texas must feel the same.

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Gina, Gainesville, Florida — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 18:03:01 GMT

I'm sorry but the whole lot of them are nymphos and they know it. The fact that they continue to be purposefully evasive about their lifestyle, plural marriages, and the lack of birth certificates just points out that they know what they are doing is wrong. They serve up little girls to be molested and raped by old men and they want sympathy from us? I'm glad the government took the children away; they need to be removed from that toxic environment.

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JJ, Atlanta, Georgia — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 18:03:14 GMT

Empathy for another is a wonderful thing to have but keeping it out of the legal process is important. For instance, the main topic people have to remember is that multiple marriages in the U.S. are "against the law." Right there, the older men and women knowingly broke the law. Even though their religious beliefs say its ok, it is not ok in the U.S.; hence, they committed a crime. As for brainwashing children at a young age, I have heard or read of people trying to control another being which to me is against nature because people should have "free will." I have terrific parents who know when to verbally reprimand me but to brainwash me to thinking like them was never their way of raising me and my siblings. They "led by example" which to me is the best way to raise your child. If the members are abusing their greatest gift in life (children), then I would give them the harshest punishment the state of Texas can give those in charge and anyone else who had a hand in the alleged abuse. Just my opinion.

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Jeannie Patterson — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 18:04:51 GMT

I don't feel pity for these people because it was found that 20 girls under the age of 17 were impregnated by older men. These STEPFORD WIVES did nothing to protect the children against pervert men arranging fake marriages and molesting children. There are pictures of the BABYLAND CEMETARY next to the compound in Arizona (where they are from) where they have buried hundreds of babies and children in the dirt without even calling a hospital or a coroner. That in my mind is a mass grave and needs to be investigated. Many of these women refuse to provide a DNA test to get their children back. The Attorney General has stated that 65% of FLDS members collect Welfare & food stamp cash cards, so our tax dollars are being used to support this cult. Do a Google Search on the word "Bleeding the Beast" to see their many government money scams.

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Netta, CA — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 18:04:58 GMT

If there is cause to believe children are being abused, they MUST be protected. Children are particularly vulnerable. This nation has high rates of child abuse and it is a crime, as well as a tragedy. Abuse can cause severe damage to a child, not only for the moment, but for their psychological well-being over their lifetime. Abuse cannot be tolerated. The state is right to first protect the children. If it is determined the children are safe, they can return home. One of the 16 year old girls was reported as having four children. That alone is indicative of sexual abuse.

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F Andrus — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 18:05:40 GMT

Romney said he was against gay marriage because kids need a mother and a father, not two mothers or two fathers. In this FLDS case all the attention is focused on the underage sex: but what about kids being raised with multiple mothers? Is it bad for a kid has two Lesbian mothers, but ok if they are heterosexual?

The FLDS people say they are living in heaven on earth (Zion). They may be right, because the men have access to unlimited numbers of young virgins right here on earth, while radical Islamists have to wait to die and go to heaven to gain access to their share of virgins.

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paisleysox, Seattle, WA — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 18:05:41 GMT

Hasn't anyone read "Escape" by Carolyn Jessop? She's a woman who successfully got herself and 7 children out of the FLDS, and she talks a lot about the abuse she and her children suffered at the hands of her husband, her sister wives and the leader Warren Jeffs - it backs up the allegations that are currently being charged to the sect.

The children HAD to be removed from their families in order to protect them from further abuse. Even if one abuse allegation is brought, there should be a full-fledge investigation.

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JThomas — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 18:07:03 GMT

You sure get a different story from the "lost" boys who were told to leave and left on the roadside and the woman who had to sneak away with her eight children when her daughter turned 14, in fear that she would be made to marry. She didn't make it sound like she was allowed to leave at all!

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Colleen, Boston, Massachusetts — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 18:07:51 GMT

I would recommend that anyone who thinks this is simply an attempt by our government to chastise a another culture should do some research on the FLDS that is nothing short of a cult. "Under the Banner of Heaven" by Jon Krakauer is a fascinating historical account of the Mormon faith and the birth and eventual division of the FLDS.
While I agree our media has a tendency to dramatize current events, I can assure you that if you take the time to explore the history of the FLDS you will understand why the government felt it necessary to take such drastic measures (keeping in mind that they are investigating a report of physical and sexual abuse by a young girl residing at the community).
After reading this book and doing my own research you will undoubtedly ask yourself "why did it take so long for the governement to step in?"

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Matt, Gaithersburg, MD — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 18:08:23 GMT

Every day I get up from bed after lazily hitting the snooze button a few times. Then I go to work and am productive about 80% of that time. The rest, I slack off. Once in a while I sneak a cigarette and don't tell my wife, whom I have a two year old son with and another baby on the way. I occasionally look at pornography. I use vulgarities at least once every couple days. I am so imperfect, yet I still judge another person or colture's lifestyle. What seems different brings fear. There has been no proof of any wrong doing yet; and even if there was, what would it prove?- that children have been molested by sick adults all over the world in every culture throughout history. The Majority is almost always stereotyped by the minority. If someone tried to take away my son, or my child to come, God protect them.

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karen jacksonville fl — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 18:08:46 GMT

I find it interesting that in a report I read, it stated most of the 416 children were girls. What's the chances of that? Where are all the male children that are born? Is it possible that this is a human stable that produces girls to then reward "faithful" FDLS members acoss the country with young brides as a reward for all their faithful giving? I would search the grounds for unmarked graves.

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Kim — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 18:09:48 GMT

It is my understanding that these women Do receive govenment assistance, including WIC benefits, due to the fact that their marriages are not recognized by law. The are technically unemployed, single mothers entitiled to healthcare, welfare checks, food stamps, etc. which they all take advantage of.

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Holly, San Diego, CA — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 18:09:55 GMT

Don Teague,

Why didn't you bother to ask the women how many of them are on welfare? That was the obvious follow-up question to how they get their money. It really irks me as a law abiding citizen and tax payer to have these people thwart the law against polygamy and cheat the wefare system by having "spiritual marriages."

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DR Midland, TX — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 18:10:10 GMT

416 children, 15 surnames = roughly 27 children per man. And you think this way of life is admirable when no one knows who fathered whom?

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Mike , Florida — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 18:10:18 GMT

I have a friend who is a mormon. He is not the kinda who believes in all the underaged marrige and the multiple wives. He does how ever believe in the Profits. I am a Christian, and you know what. we are the best of friends. We just don;t let our religious beliefs interfere with our friendship.

Now on this subject, i go back and forth. I think about the poor people who are obviously brainwashed on that ranch and have no one to defend them becasue they are born into this life. They really don;t have a choice. HOWever, I don't believe anyone has the right to come in and target a set group of people based on a single incident or multiple incidents. Imagine if they started take away all the children from any catholic family when they found out about the priests molesting children... Could you imagine them taking away all the children from catholic families because of the abuse from the Priests? Its not fair and i think they overstepped their boundries.

This is not my america thats for sure.

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Francine Ross, Lafayette,LA — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 18:12:27 GMT

I had just read the book 'Escape' by Carolyn Jessop and Laura Palmer before this all happened and highly recommend anyone reading it, to find out what life is really like for FLDS families. Carolyn Jessop was married to the man who took over leadership of this
group after Warren Jeffs was arrested.

These women can leave but only if they don't want to take their children with them. That's why Carolyn Jessop waited so long to leave. She has eight children and couldn't leave until she could arrange to have them all in one place to be able to take them with her, in a hurried escape, with help from her brother, who had already left.

There's much more information in the book that these women are not speaking about because they dare not speak. The book details the consequences.

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Bruce — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 18:14:21 GMT

We could debate the moral/ethical aspects of polygamy versus monogamy and same-sex marriages; we could debate the legal marriage age and why differently cultured states establish differend age limits; state agencies in every state investigate allegations of child abuse. No one wants to condone anyone causing harm to another. But isn't anybody concerned that a government in the America today can go into a community and forcibly remove EVERY SINGLE CHILD from their parents?!? If Texas can do this, where does it end? If your brother-in-law's child cries "abuse" in a tantrum, what's to keep them from taking all your children & grandchildren, put them in foster care, and then begin an investigation?

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Sun, St. Robert, MO — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 18:14:40 GMT

Unfortunately, there are perverts and sickness in ALL communities. I have no doubt that some, if not most of these folks are good people and though their beliefs are different than ours, they are good to each other, their children, and their families. The law needs to be able to protect those that are abused though. I don’t think there is an easy answer to any of this.
Here are a few things I have been pondering after reading Escape by Carolyn Jessop… They say that women are free to leave if they want. BUT…… are their kids free to go with them, and would their kids go with them??? Do the women have any means to make a living? Do they have education? According to what I have read, since Warren Jeffs became the prophet, education has been severely limited. In the last 5 years or so has education been very regulated by the prophet? Can they make a living in the world if they wanted to leave? Is there any help for them to get custody of their kids if they do leave? These are some questions I would like to see asked. The book Escape really made me think about a lot of aspects about this. Is interesting reading for anyone wanting to learn more about this subject.
The way I see it, if I couldn’t take my children with me, I would endure whatever I had to, to be there for them and make their life the best I could in a bad situation. I think most mothers would do that. So while they say they are free to go, would they??? I don’t think so- a mothers life is her children, and even if a life situation isn’t ideal, my thinking would be that at least I can be there to protect my child as much a possible within my means, at least until I just couldn’t possible do it anymore. Carolyn’s story is intriguing. Many, if not most people wouldn’t be able to have the strength and courage to go through leaving. She was so fortunate to have the help she had. Anyway – just a few unorganized thoughts of mine on this. Maybe it will bring up some other discussion on all of this.

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SH, Cheyenne WY — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 18:15:53 GMT

Okay, so I went to the website they have for the children and they are asking for donations. I have heard that most of these women are filing as single mothers and getting government checks that go directly to the men, plus they have these businesses that this article talks about, we know they don't spend any of the money on toys for the kids. It's almost like Drew Peterson asking for money! The men are bailing and hiding so they don't have to do DNA testing. If they have nothing to hide, now why would they do that? I have even heard accusations that some of these children have been kidnapped from other locations. This article is alot of what we want to hear, and if you listen to some of the people who have "escaped" (and that's the word they use)you'll get more of an accurate picture of what's happening here.

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Cataclysmo, Cincinnati, OH — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 18:16:06 GMT

What's surprising to me is the issue of marriage in this case. In many mainstream communities men (and women for that matter) take multiple "lovers" but if they aren't married then its not a crime. As soon as someone commits to another person (or persons) then it is a crime. This is really absurd...father children and leave the women to care for it - no crime, commit to care for that child via marriage -crime. If no sexual abuse of these children is found, and apparently there is no hard evidence of such or we'd have heard it, then these people should be left alone. God bless 'em if a guy can please more than one woman and the women are cool with it.

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Concerned — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 18:16:56 GMT

A parent giving their 14, 15 or 16 year old permission to marry a 50 year old? This society is in trouble!!! There seems to be welfare fraud taking place here. It seems that the report made by CNN was seen by others. Not to single the FLDS out, as many other religions as well as individuals do it! The gov't. may have a real case of welfare fraud. Who's to say that the gov't. is not getting a kick back themselves.

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Jennifer Tennessee — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 18:17:10 GMT

why cant people in this country just mind their own business?? That is one of the problems with this country anymore is that everyone is so nosy, and feels they need to be involved in everyone else's business all the time. If what is being reported is true, then the appropriate actions should be taken, but it does not need to be the biggest news story in the country, this just gives people more drama to thrive off of.

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Rob, Missouri — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 18:17:19 GMT

Any one see M.Night Shyamalan's movie "The Village." The basic story line is a group of people get tired of the "cruel and corrupt world" that they live in and decide to move them and their families in the middle of the woods. From there they start to teach their children and their children's children that they should never go into the woods because there are evil spirits out there that will kill them. Long story short all the members of the community except the originals are scared to death to every venture into the woods for fear of death. Come to find out the only thing that is in the woods is the WAY OUT...to the rest of the world!

Sound familiar?

I don't really care too much about what other people do with their lives as long as is doesn't effect my rights negatively and its not braking any laws. Which the are breaking the law. However, this gets a little sticky, I believe that these kids are brainwashed from the start and they never really get a chance to think on their own or explore the world through their own eyes and their own thoughts. All they know is the negative images and ideas that are plastered in their minds from their parents/teachers. Again, one of the great things about the United States is freedom of religion but those children don't have that freedom.

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Michael Riddle, Twin Falls, ID — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 18:19:01 GMT

These people have been breaking the law for over 100 years. Having more than 1 spouse at a time is illigal!Having sex with a minor by someone that is in a authoritive position is just wrong! Religion or not, if we as a society do nothing then we are as bad as they are. Then what's next, not punishing the teachers that molest the children in there care?

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KS, Dallas, TX — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 18:19:09 GMT

I say to each his own UNLESS there are children being hurt. My comment really is more on the state's action. I do not understand why they did not leave the children in the homes they were in and move the men to another facility on the property. They could put a 1/2 dozen social workers at the facility to make sure the men didn't come over to where the women/children were. They could have done the DNA testing there, as well. This certainly would have been a LOT cheaper and the kids would not have had to be yanked from the only life they have ever known. Plus, the would be able to keep a lot better track of the children if they were all kept in 1 location. I just do not see the necessity in taking an infant or toddler from its mother. It is obviously not the 2 years old that they are concerned are being abused. It is embarrassing the way the state has handled this.

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Wendy, Santa Barbara CA — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 18:20:18 GMT

As I watched the video of the children I wondered where the older children are in the video. It appears that it shows only children ages 0-10 years old?

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L Heap, Cedar City, Utah — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 19:02:14 GMT

It makes me angry that the "pligs" are claiming they have a constitutional right to practice their religion. Since when is breaking the law ok under the guise of religion? I've lived in Southern Utah most of my life and I get frustrated with the way their culture takes advantage of the system in the name of religion. I do feel for the children though, it's not their fault although, someone has to stop the cycle.

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leslie, vista california — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 19:02:55 GMT

it's hard to feel sorry for a mother that allows a grown man to rape her innocent daughter. As a mother of three, it is somewhat tramatic for an adult woman to give birth, I can't imagine the state of mind a child of thirteen or fourteen must go through during not only forced sex, but giving birth. Every time I hear these ladies cries and pain, I can't help but think where they were when their daughters were suffering at their hands. I read recently one of these women asking "if it happened to one child, does it constitute the removal of all"!! In my oppinion, that in itself is an addmition of guilt!

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Kal Columbus Ohio — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 19:04:21 GMT

My husband was born/raised until he was about 4 or 5 on a similiar "farm". While I stood in disbelief that a mother would have her children taken away from her based on religion, my husband was pleased. He said it would have been much better for him to live in a foster home than in the environment he grew up in. He said there was too much severe abuse--not just a swat on the bottom but belts for beating kids and other things that amounted to torture. I just hope and pray that children services of Texas are not going to immediately throw these kids in public school!

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Bonnie, Grand Canyon, Ariz — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 19:05:38 GMT

I live in Northern Arizona just south of Colorado City Az/Hildale Ut, one of the main communities of the FLDS (before they relocated to Tx. They had been a drain on our state coffers for years as they have children that are illegitimate. The FLDS members register a first marriage, but not the others, thus leaving out that critical information "Father's name" on the birth certificate. Because of this status, they are able to gain additional financial support.

Although I believe in freedom of (and from) religion, the women in these groups are slaves, but would never admit to it because they are programmed from birth to believe this lifestyle is the only way. Basically, they are breeders and workers. They said they can leave, but they would never leave because they have no way to survive in the world and have been manipulated through fear beginning from birth.

Many of you say the state should leave them alone. You should read the history of Arizona's struggle deal with these folks, beginning with a much-publicized raid in the 1950s.

And I suggest you visit Colorado City sometime. The houses are huge, have many entries (one for each family), and are unfinished on purpose, eliminating the need to pay home taxes--they're assessed on land only value till the homes are done, and then the property is re-assessed at the higher value. Leaving them undone saves money.

Quite frankly, I don't support the idea of taking the children to live with a foster family, since that seems traumatic and would quite possibly harm the child even more (foster care isn't always the best place for a child either) but I'm relieved that most of them are out of my state, saving my tax dollars for more important venues.

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Evelyn Jase DeSoto Texas — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 19:06:54 GMT

Where are the 100 or more men that were living on the ranch? Most of them are long gone. They think that the outside world is evil and yet they bleed taxpayers of all they can get. If they think that talking with a few media people will convince the rest of us that they have done no wrong well it won't.The state will prove its case against these people and the male and female adults should held acccountable for their actions. Welfare fraud, child rape and abuse,will be proven and then all those who support this scet can go join up or shut up.

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Confused, Los Angeles — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 19:07:35 GMT

The reason the women soud so serene and not worried about the welfare of their children, and fail to see how oppressed they are is because they were conditioned from very early age to think like that. They do not know any better. They are brainwashed to think that the outside world is evil. So, of course when the "evil"(state authorities) comes to take away the future generation of continuied oppression the elders are not going to like it.
The cults that prevent normal development of human psyce should be outlawed. The lifestyle in the compoung is just gut wrenching. There is more to these women than child rearing abilities.

Is this any better than the lifestyles of the opressed women of Islam?

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JFT, Seattle, WA — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 19:08:17 GMT

Don't buy the "it's just another life style, why is the government picking on them" crap. What happened to all the teen age boys? Answer: most of them are driven out. They are too much competition for the old men, and there are just not enough women to go around when if everyone has multiple wives. Think about it, why would a sixteen year old girl pick a 65 year old man rather than someone closer to their own age? Becasue she is totally dominated and brainwashed? The prophet controls everything and if you are good you might get a wife or two, cause any trouble and you are shunned. Where does the money come from? A lot of it comes from AFDC.

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ktoula — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 19:09:12 GMT

If the state of Texas had not steped in and the allegations are proven true what an outcry we would have heard! This like all cults turns on the worship of a single person {Man} it is never a woman is it. I fear the subjugation of women and children is a power forced on them by men and for men it has evolved in to something perversive and harmfull to all who live under this systom both the men and the women. This is not a faith this is a cult and as such needs to be disloved. We talk about civle rights for other countries but here in our own country we ignore the rights of these women and children who can't and don't know any better.

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Amber Silvis, IL — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 19:11:27 GMT

My heart goes out to all those involved. It seems like they live a very old-fashion, traditional life and I see nothing wrong with that. Just because it isnt what our society has become doesnt mean that it is wrong. The fathers care for there children (which is becoming a rarity in main stream american society), the parents are involved with their children, and the mothers stay home with there young. This seems very wrong since in America we are supposed to have the right of religious freedom. If there is/was reports of sexual miscondusct the parties involved should of been removed, not all of the children who have probably never gone more then a few hours without there mothers. I hope the state of texas also hopes on providing counseling to these children as it is probably extrememly traumatic. I pray for these families that god will help them through this trying time and give them the strength to keep fighting for there right to worship there lord as they see fit. There is nothing wrong with living a godly life and if the women like to share husbands, that is there lifestyle choice, not ours.

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Paul , Grand Rapids , MI — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 19:11:39 GMT

SHAME on the you-SA again!

maybe after the more-mans' are proven innocent then the perpetrators of the false accusations and enforcers should have THEIR offspring taken away for an equal amount of time and put in the same foster care or whatever.

eye for I,
teeth for the tooth!!

maybe then they'd be a little slower to jump the odd people eh??!!

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Laurie, Manasquan, NJ — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 19:30:18 GMT

Those of you on this board who have sympathy for these people....I say WHY??!! The men in this cult are abusing women and children in the worst sort of way. These men have set up a system whereby they can have sex with little girls and if you don't think a 13, 14 or 15 year old girl is a little girl then think again. I have a 14 year old girl and for the life of me, if any man 20, 30, 40, 50 or whatever came anywhere near her he'd never be able to perform again, EVER. You say you feel sorry for these mothers??? Why??? They stand by and give their little girls to dirty old men who marry them "spiritually" and then take them in the back room of the "temple" and have sex with them and continue to have sex with them until these little girls become pregnant. These men should be in jail for the rest of their lives for what they are doing and the women should too for being accomplises to these crimes. This "religion" if you can call it that has been established for sick men to have access to children. Feel sorry for them!! Never!!! They get what they deserve and I hope the children never go back. They would be better off in foster homes with a chance to grow up and have a say in how their lives turn out and not be easy bake ovens for sadistic men.

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George, Lenhartsville, PA — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 19:30:27 GMT

The state way overstepped it's bounds. Multiple wives is wrong, and certainly child brides, but this amounts to the state trying to eliminate a way of life, and control belief systems. Most of the children there are in absolutely no danger. To the Texas CPS: Give those children back, and start solving real problems...you're acting disgraceful!

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Beatch, dallas tx — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 19:30:31 GMT

Okay Everyone, Calm down, We call this child abuse, what about all the babies and children that are murdered by their parents all over the Country every day, and the States don't get involved with those situations, where is Religion here. There still is no proof of abuse, and if these women are happy with the Little house on the Prairie lifestyles so be it. If they want to follow false prophets that's their problem. We have one too, just look in the White house.

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MD, Dallas, TX — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 19:30:34 GMT

Yes, most of these women receive welfare because they are considered "single mothers". Only one of the wives can be a legal wife. The rest are "spiritual marriages" not recognized by law. It is an intentional practice on their part to take advantage of the government. Read Jon Krakauer's "Under the Banner of Heaven". What you read in the news about underage marriages is true. Anything these women are saying to the news media has been programmed by the men.

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DR---Wisconsin — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 19:31:50 GMT

This country was founded with relegious freedom as a huge part of its foundation. People may not agree with these peoples beliefs, but this case borders on religious persecution.

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John Doe, Seattle Wash. — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 19:32:47 GMT

I wonder if an Amish girl named Sarah called and said she was being abused by a leader in her community if the authorities would come in and take all the kids in the town away.

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Ms. King, Kankakee Il — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 19:33:04 GMT

I think the state was to quick to judge and remove the children from their homes. They should have investiagted first and then decided what to do with their children. It is not fair or just to have their children taken away and placed in enviroments that are not condusive to their home lives. The children will end up being exposed to things they previously were not. Everyone in America has the right to live their lives as they see fit and enjoy their so called "religiuos freedom". If they are abusing their children then take the necessary actions. If not leave these people alone. I think we are so nosey and fascinated with this case because they are not like the rest of us.

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Ms. King, Kankakee Il — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 19:33:45 GMT

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Jeff Lewis, Savannah, NY — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 19:34:33 GMT

Different strokes for different folks. Plural marriages world-wide are the norm (many more Muslim's than christians). I don't doubt there has been an incidence of abuse, but I'll make an educated guess and say that the incidence is lower than in suburbia or cities. The ability to raise your children to your OWN way of life 'used' to be an american right - I guess Osoma took that away too...

I can't help but think this is a hatchet job. Live and let live folks.

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MT, OR — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 19:34:53 GMT

I have read several books on this religion and think that what the State of Texas is doing should have been done a long time ago! If you have any doubts, remember what Warren Jeffs is in prison for.

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CSK — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 21:08:54 GMT

wait - i see on their website they are actually asking for donations?? WTF??? We are already paying their welfare - and YES THEY GET WELFARE -the 'sister wives' are not legaly married to the men, only the First wife is - so all the others are 'single mothers' and eligible for welfare. they have quite a racket goin on down there with OUR TAX dollars.

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Gabby, Villa Ridge, Missouri — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 21:09:26 GMT

I am a young mother (21 yrs. old) of four children ages 6,4,3,16months. I am totally outraged by what the authorities have done to theese families. Why did they not investigate this a little more before taking all theese young children away from their homes? I thought in the United States we are all innocent until proven guity; well i guess theese people do not count though because of their beleifs. Its sad that the goverment and law enforcement and even child services can do as they please. Not to long ago I had someone call child servies on me claiming I was an unfit mother because I am so young. I had to go through a series of drug tests and parenting classes and counciling just to keep my children but yet I had done nothing wrong. But on the other hand my sister-in-law sells meth and pot out of her home where her to young children live and has been busted for it while the children were in the home at the time of this and she did not get in any trouble at all. And she is still activley selling and producing meth in her home with theese babies there. But do the police and or child services care? Hell no they don't!!! I call and they come and sieze the drugs and materials, haul her off to jail for the night, take her kids to her mothers and by the next day she's back out of jail and has her kids; and continues to do the same thing. Its sad that the goverment is like this. They "help" who they want to "help" but the kids and people who really truly need help they could reallo care less about them.

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Lisa, Hamburg, NY — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 21:11:39 GMT

The justification for this raid was based on a phone call which appears to have come from another state and sounds pretty clearly faked by Rozita Swinton. Since the origin of the call should have been immediately known to 911 operators, it makes me believe they knew it was false but used it as an excuse to raid the FLDS ranch. Think carefully of the level of abuse of power here and what it means for individual rights.

The age of consent for marriage in Texas was 14 in 2004. Historically it has been common in the Christian, Islamic, Judaist and many other religions that upon entering puberty and becoming physically capable of reproducing a person can be married. That doesn’t mean everyone would marry upon puberty, but when it happened, it was sanctified within these religions. In every case, the bride would have the right to say no and not be married.

Religiously arranged marriages such as the FLDS members have been doing has been continuously going on from present time to as far back as any written records show and are still going on in present day in various countries.

Clearly this whole issue is not as clear cut as the state would like to present it as. It is a form of Moral Panic which is becoming common in the US which will lead the US towards becoming a fascist state as the hard won freedoms of US citizens are being rapidly removed while those very citizens cheer on the loss of their freedoms.

Now, to be honest, I don’t like the FLDS group. They are religious conservatives and I don’t like religious conservatives. I also think it is better for a person to wait until the complete their education before engaging in sexual relations and committing to a marriage.

But what the FLDS group is doing is well within the norm of social history. What is being done to them is clearly religious persecution. I object to them being religiously persecuted because I want to maintain my right to NOT believe in the Biblical God.

As far as their polygamy, there is no true moral justification against it and it should be the legal right for them to choose to live in such a relationship if they want. Of course, maybe they should also include marriages with multiple husbands.

The only real limitation I see that should be placed on them with regard to Polygamy is that NO ONE should be forced into a marriage and NO ONE should be forced to stay in a marriage.

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Lillian, Portland, OR — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 21:12:55 GMT

As I remember from my history class, Utah was denied statehood until they (Utah) agreed to NO MORE plural marriages and that happened in 1890. My memory tells me that plural marriages are against the Federal law. There are several splinter groups who have broken away from the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, headquarters in Salt Lake City because they wanted the 'old life style' of plural marriages. Utah and Arizona have looked the other way for years in regard to these splinter groups with their plural wives. Presently, it will be hard on the children but it has needed to be done for a long time and by doing so now, it will save many children from a repressive cult life-style. It certainly is NOT the Christian life-style taught by our God in the Bible. (It was started by Joseph Smith who claimed to be a prophet also, much like Warren Jeffs. Read the historial facts by Best Seller Author Fawn Brodie "NO MAN KNOWS MY HISTORY", the life of Joseph Smith.

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Pam , Kenosha WI — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 21:16:25 GMT

Read the stats on how many children die in homes that CPS has placed them in every year. Or how many have been physically and sexually abused under CPS's watch! How many of the kids on this ranch have died? Um, NONE. There is no guarantee that these poor kids won't be put in a worse situation than they are being 'rescued' from. Plus they are being traumatized majorly BY CPS right now. Think about it. The foster care system and CPS are overloaded and have more issues than the people at this ranch do.

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DW, Wenatchee, WA — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 21:16:38 GMT

Aside from the gut wrenching issue of separating the mothers and children - one has to ask where the fathers are that never returned to the ranch. The fact (according to Nancy Grace's guests) that some of the men never returned is a pretty good indication that questionable activity was occurring at "the ranch". Their living arrangements and way of life may automatically put the others at risk if the allegations are founded. The role of the State is to protect the children. It is not often that you see government stepping in when they need to - they are usually too intimadated by the threat of a lawsuit. I'm able to reserve judgement regarding a different lifestyle, but cannot stomach the lack of accountability and responsibility displayed by some of the elders. Those men chose this lifestyle - now "man-up" and face the judicial consequences of your actions. What kind of moral, upstanding person would leave his family in such a spiritually trying time? Certainly makes you say...hmmmmm.

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Lori S., Lubbock, Texas — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 21:17:26 GMT

The law is the law. You can't have multiple wives in Texas. You can't marry off girls under 16. They may have their beliefs, but those beliefs cannot supercede the law. Who has a bed in a temple anyway? What about the testimonies of the women who escaped? They don't paint a nice picture at all. The fact they had to escape says it all. It's sad. The world is a scary place. I don't agree the kids should be taken away from the mothers. In Texas, they usually hand the kids over to the mothers and keep them all separated from the men...but since the women are refusing DNA tests, they can't know who the mothers are, so off go the kids into foster care. It's all creepy. If they've nothing to hide, why all the secrecy? Karma is a beautiful thing...these folks will have to pay for their damage. Unfortunately, in the mean time, the children are the ones paying. Shame on Texas for not investigating this "ranch" all these 50 years since the last raid.

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SMM, Indianapolis, IN — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 21:19:15 GMT

For more on the FLDS and why the beliefs of this sect pose a danger to their children (and a drain on taxpayers' wallets), read Jon Krakauer's book "Under the Banner of Heaven".

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Erin Marie, Mount Vernon, MO — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 21:19:55 GMT

We must remember that this is not about how "different" they are, or their lifestyle choice. This is about serious speculations and allegations in child abuse, incest, and rape. Any parent (religous or worldly) living in America would be questioned, investigated, and had our children taken away under these allegations.

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CPSWatch, Florida — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 21:22:48 GMT

Here is what I don't understand. If each child is considered individually and it can be determined that the child was not a victim of sexual abuse and the parent or parents of that child say that they will do whatever it takes to get the child back, what is the hold up? Why are we continuing to put the child in foster care, put that money into helping the parent who volunteers to comply, into a living situation that the CPS wants them into. We can't base our placements on hunches or what *might* happen later, we have to deal with it, *if* and when it does happen, or if there is reason to believe it *will* happen. It's not like CPS won't be able to monitor everything that is going on in the family now. I don't think that CPS ever had ANY intentions on returning the children, which is a SAD day for the USA

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KS, Palo Alto, CA — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 21:26:52 GMT

It seems to me the the women in this CULT have the upper hand and not the other way around. They are the obvious spokespersons for the CULT and the men simply sit back and twiddle their thumbs. Did anyone stop to think that these women are simply using the men to spread their seed? And, if they are making bank by receiving welfare, etc. for all the children that they are popping out -- seems like a great racket to me. No wonder they are afraid to lose the children. They are moneymakers and workers to carry on the wishes of this bunch of crazies. I don't buy any of it being a religous group. This is just another zaney CULT that should have been shut down ages ago. Save the kids. Get them the heck out of their and shut the compound down. There are laws that all of us Americans have to abide by and I don't understand why this craziness has been allowed to flourish -- unchecked.

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Dorane Strouse, Caledonia, MI — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 21:28:37 GMT

These people have been totally abused by the state of Texas. What gives the state the right to steal the children? What group will be next taking children from Homosxuals, alcoholics, blacks, Jews, or anyone who we do not like the way they live? Where is the ACLU protecting them. I hope the state of Texas has to pay billions and billions in law suits. It looks like even the call was bogus!!!

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Irvine — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 21:30:37 GMT

I only feel sorry for the kids and no one else, they do not have a choice and do not know any better, Shame on the mothers that are so week and don't even make choices for them selfs. One of the ladies said that the reason they have long hair is to wash god feet, then now why are they lieing. No one in the sect is telling the truth because warren jeffs told them what to say. He is still there hero. What a joke that is why he is in jail. If they were then why so many different stories, and so what if they didn't have proof they are saying that they do now!!!!!

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Jim Reid StLouis MO — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 21:30:38 GMT

These people have hurt no-one and they are raising children in a family and moral environment based on their faith (Strange though it may be). Who are we to presume to have any right to judge them! If the abuse is so rampant on this ranch then show me the accusers. How can the state take all children from each family based on one accusation? Are they claiming that there is ritualistic abuse going on here? WTF!
As if the state welfare department of family distruction should be proud of its record... Christ look at the state of living conditions in our urban centers.. Like those children are in a safe environment? The state really cares about these children? Or is the state frightened of uncontrolable eliments of society?

People we are living in a Fascist state and this is how it works - first they come for the wierdos, then the antitax groups, then gays, then the nonconformists, then the christian sects (one at a time), always in the name of LAW does it brweak the law, and each time we don't speak out and stop it they get bolder and braver until noone will speak up.

Our government behaves like the Nazis! When we stand for this kind of mistreatment of our fellow citizens we set the stage for the day they come for us as well...

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Jane Doe — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 21:33:37 GMT

I think that what these people think they are doing is right, but the reality is, they are causing more harm than good to those children. Why should any child be raised not knowing what a coloring book is? Why should young women marry at 17, 18 or 19. Has a 29 year old female from California, I must say that instead of working on countries overseas we need to start looking here at home first. What they do is wrong and they SHOULD HAVE THEIR KIDS TAKEN AWAY. Has a mother myself I feel pain for these women, but the reality is they are exposing their girls to abuse and rape all in the name of religion- sounds like the crap that Bin L says- everything in the name of God. I hope they all lose their children along with the compounds in Utah and Arizona.

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Courtnie, Kansas City, M0 — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 21:36:18 GMT

Does anyone see the bigger picture here? Hello, It’s the children! Did anyone think that maybe we don't know everything because we only get to hear what the media wants us to here. Obviously these poor women and children are so beyond brainwashed. No wonder they think the "outside" world is so evil and that their world isn't.
Of course I feel bad for these women but most importantly the children. However, I'm glad the state has stepped in... It’s about damn time! We have known of such claims even before this from others who were brave enough to put their foot down and stand up for themselves and children and leave. This is the first time someone has finally stepped up and put these children first and gave them a voice. I have no doubt that it is miserable loosing your kids and that its sad and all but what would be even more sad is if they stayed at the ranch and continued to live this secret life of abuse, rape, brainwashing, and the cult. These poor innocent children don't know any better just as much as I'm sure the women don't if they were raised to believe this was "right".
By now these women have been coached as to what to say and what not to say, so of course they are going to sugar coat their answers so everyone feels sorry for them and to hide the full truth. But quite frankly I don't feel sorry for them. I only feel sorry for these poor innocent children who can't speak nor defend themselves.

Lastly I think it is absolutely ABSURD that they have a website showing pictures of the raid and asking for donations! They act like the raid was something new and never been done before. I viewed the pictures and I think they are all pathetic. The government raids homes, buildings, compounds, ect. All the time and by looking at those pictures I feel they got off easy and with minimal damage. I have seen raids conducted and done and the only after math I have personally ever seen looked like a tornado or hurricane hit, and yet all their pictures showed were minor damage and a few things out of place. Not to mention none of the pictures of the children seemed to show they were too upset. I personally know that if I or anyone of my siblings were taken from our parents and especially if I was taking out of the sheltered environment they were in, I would be a little more emotional and upset. I believe I would be a wreck and yet these kids have been taken from there “compound” and thrown into what they have been taught was evil and they seem to barely be fazed by it.
The state isn’t just making this stuff up. They are working on showing the evidence to prove it. So to anyone who thinks this is so wrong I feel sorry for you because these poor innocent kids are being abused in multiple ways and getting them out of that environment is the best thing for these kids. If this stuff wasn’t going on behind the lines of their compound/ranch then they never would have lost their kids in the first place.

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DC, Texas — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 21:36:39 GMT

For anyone looking for more information on the FLDS and their teachings I would recommend the book "Under the Banner of Heaven" by Jon Krakauer. Interesting, insightful, and disturbing.

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A. Mills — Thu, 24 Apr 2008 02:43:45 GMT

Now they find out the phone call that started all this was made by a mentally ill woman who's made SEVERAL of these types of calls. Yet the government won't back down from their stand of ripping these families apart. There are children living in homeless shelters with their drug addicted parent, kids who have no home, no food, some sold by their parents for sex for drugs, etc. I grew up in foster care with those kids.
I hope these people sue the hell out of the officials who've trampled their civil rights. Find the men who've married the girls under 18 and arrest them. Put the rest of those kids back and leave these people alone.

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Heather Robertson — Thu, 24 Apr 2008 02:43:53 GMT

When I went to their web site and saw the pics of all the doors the police kicked in it reminded me that not that long ago the same thing happened to our family. A school principal that disliked us for my husband being black made a false report to children's services and they kicked in our doors to get our 8 children. They held them for over 7 months while they tried to find something wrong with us. We were never charged or accused of abuse, never received an apology. My son was molested in foster care, my daughters were verbally abused, one would go days with out food because the foster parent hated her, did I mention they were living in a rodent infested home in the most dangerous part of an inner city, my kids are middle class suburban kids. My newborn was taken from the hospitol even, these childvprotection people are evil. The case worker who initiated this was fired for forging documents and admitted to being a former heroin addict who did time for prostitution and bad checks, thats who they hire! I pray for the those kids and know the heart break of the women.

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Pete, Amherst, MA — Thu, 24 Apr 2008 02:45:31 GMT

ALthough the way of life of this cult does not appeal to me, it is hard to dismiss ALL of their life ways as wrong. What's wrong with pure food, modest clothes, no TV and long hair? Nothing! On the other hand, young teen girls forced into "marriages" with older men is abusive, and in fact all of the women do seem "brainwashed". I just hope that the state officials are able to return the children from safe homes back to their families as quickly as possible. Though it certainly may be traumatic for children to grow up in an authoritarian cult, it doesn't take a PhD in psychology to figure out that the current events will also be TERRIBLY traumatic for these kids, and will leave lasting scars. When you tear a child away from his/her parents, home and way of life, you better be darn sure you are doing more good than harm. The state investigators have THAT on THEIR conscience.

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David T — Thu, 24 Apr 2008 02:47:34 GMT

To GWP,

If you read the article closely, you will notice that the people were aware of the marriage age. Texas changed the law from 14 to 16 not too long ago.

By the way, I think it's funny when people talked about these people like they are brainwashed. I hate to admit it, but we are all, in one way or another, brainwashed. Consider some of the things you believe about science, religion, art, politics, etc. Where do your beliefs stem from? Have you really tested the validity of all that you believe?

One more thing. If you stay up late enough, or just type in the wrong web-site (or the right one if you're that type of person) you can thousands of videos of multiple-sex-partner encounters. You know, all of these people getting drunk all having sex all together. Furthermore, When was the last time you saw a soap-opera where somebody didn't cheat on his or her spouse or significant other? Would you be surprised, or even believe someone that told you that they have only been with one person? I'm not really in favor of polygamy, but I think it is funny that so many people accept, participate, or even fantasize about the idea of a myriad of sexual encounters throughout their lifetime or all at once, yet look down on its organized form. Just a thought

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jeroen van der mier — Thu, 24 Apr 2008 02:48:54 GMT

Here is what I do not understand, if the men are marrying multiple wives what happens to all of the young men who are left with no one? Generally this will lead to a great deal of violence and or drug/ alcohol abuse. How do they handle this? I mean if so many men are left out then those men must have some type of vice or just grow resentful of the men who do marry. It is widely understood that men become very violent and frustrated when they lack female company.

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Steve, Oregon — Thu, 24 Apr 2008 02:52:17 GMT

And how old was the virgin Mary when she was pregnant with Jesus? Would you have stoned her or would you have seeked to imprison God? How quickly you Judge; how quickly you condemn! And how quickly you can not relate from your own teachings.

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Cathy O'Banion — Thu, 24 Apr 2008 02:58:39 GMT

America should be outraged that the goverment went into a small "city" and removed every child. What if a 16 yr old calls from the small town you live in? Do you think the goverment should take your children until they find this caller/victim?

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David T — Thu, 24 Apr 2008 02:59:29 GMT

I agree with Richard Lawrence.

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Boston, MA — Thu, 24 Apr 2008 03:05:36 GMT

Thanks to the reporter for giving a more balanced view, and for actually ASKING questions of these folks. I admire almost all of their lifestyle.
They teach their children to work, live a clean lifestyle, and respect while the rest of us as a society moan about how we hate our high crime rate, sex on tv, our lives too busy to be parents, our kids are committing murder, doing drugs, and having sex.
...and we rip their families apart before anyone actually knows the whole story. Find the people to file charges on and let the rest go.

The state has put these kids (who are used to a clean, sane, lifestyle for the most part) into a foster care system that has LOST children, allowed children to be put in homes where they've been tortured and murdered by the foster parents, and where most of the kids they'll be meeting have been so horribly abused and mistreated by their parents that they'll have a hard time NOT becoming abusers and criminals.

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Brunhilda, Huxley, IA — Thu, 24 Apr 2008 03:06:41 GMT

I went to the website and saw the pictures of the women and children leaving the premises. If you really look at the facial expressions, there are very few women and children who look distraught about leaving. In fact, when you look closely, several look as though they are happy and relieved... I see smiles, calm and really very little stress on most faces. In fact, the men's faces are the main ones who look distraught... What does that tell us about the situation?

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Carrol McGill Klamath Falls , OR — Thu, 24 Apr 2008 03:10:49 GMT

I like the way the women held thier heads high!
They should be Proud. They are trying to give thier Children something I wish I had, Shelter from this insulting, sleazy, immoral, dirty, crazy, insane, murderous,drug abusing,wifeabusing, child abusing society.
We live in a VERY SICK! There is abuse everywhere, and I believe a smaller community has has better chance of coraling that. Local and upper level gonvernments do a poor job of protecting it's better citizens, and children from abuse.
YOU GC there in Texas FLDS.
Sincerely,Carrol from Klamath Falls, Oregon

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Christopher Domenick — Thu, 24 Apr 2008 03:20:03 GMT

Funny, here we havereal laws broken, sex with minors, bigamy,ect. The State steps in , as it should, and NO ONE DIES!.15 years ago, we had an we think they are up to something and 80 dead latter,no unlawful anything. I guess the difference is this time the Feds stayed out and even if we don't like their way of life, it was respected as much as possible. Just think, it cuold have been hillary and a repete of Waco...

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Joe, Billings, MT — Thu, 24 Apr 2008 03:22:41 GMT

I will never feel sorry for a group of manipulative women who let a bunch of sick old men marry their preteen daughters. The men and women of this sect are NOT AS DUMB as they let on...just look at their attempts at using the media to stir up sympathy. Remember,this denomination of Mormanism is about SEX. That's it, plain and simple. These men want to be able to sleep with as many women as they can, however old they are. These are not conservative Amish who maintain traditional family values, they're a group of people who thinks it's okay for a 45 yeaar old to sleep with a thirteen year old while he's sleeping with two other women. That's wrong, it's unAmerican, and I don't feel sorry for them at all.

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Makeda, Washington DC — Thu, 24 Apr 2008 03:25:02 GMT

I was baptised Catholic and attended Catholic School. I remember being 14-years-old and fantasizing about being in a relationship and having children. Given the fact that we are sexual beings from birth, I do not agree with the "sexual behaviors" taking place between the teenage women/girls and men old enough to be their fathers/grandfathers. Biologically, women are not "developed enough" internally to be having children at such a young age. If they were around 22-25 years old, I would not have an "issue" with this. However, I am having trouble believing that these "men" really care about these young women, besides seeing them as "baby-making machines." Plus, I am so leery of men, in general, because there seems to be an sick "appetite" for extremely young women...almost as bad as our appetite for young chickens or hens. Why is it always okay for humans to eat the hens and the babies? As human beings, we really need to analyze our "carnivorous appetites" for sex, food, drugs, etc. This situation goes beyond their so-called religious beliefs. This is a situation where there is a total disregard for human life. As humans, we are living much longer than previous generations, so there is no need for teenagers to be having babies; we live well beyond 44 years of age. Plus, as stated earlier, their internal reproductive systems are not developed enough. So, why are "we" allowing this to take place. As a mother of a daughter and three sons, I am appalled at the fact that the adult men and women of this group find it "okay" for this to take place. I am also concerned about all the possible "reproductive health problems" many of these young women will face many years down the line as a result of having sex at such a very young age and mothering children when their bodies have not completely developed into motherhood. "Vampires" is what I want to call these people. However, we will let time tell the tale. Why can't we wait for the girls to grow up (at least to 25 years old)? Why is mankind playing with the minds of the masses? Why are older/middle-aged people robbing the young people of their youth? It's sad, really...sad, indeed. I find these old men disgusting. Accept the aging process and "pick on people your own age." Why not pair the young women with boys/men close to their own ages? It is so unfair, given the fact that for the most part, men die earlier than women. Therefore, many of these "child brides" will be widowers, probably in their 30s. Then, what are they to do when they have multiple children and no "man" to support them, considering the fact that they are being "closed off" from society and kept "blind." Will they starve to death and be homeless? I feel really sorry for them; time will tell the tale. This country was founded by separatists, so actually I am not surprised. However, I better not ever catch any grown man approaching my 13-year-old daughter or sons for that matter. I will lose all sense of reality and literally rip off his genitals. Men, face your demons and stop holding women/girls hostage. You are destroying the world as we know it with your false teachings and doctrine. You are minions for the anti-christ, and you must be stopped...sickies!

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Wendy Banks — Thu, 24 Apr 2008 03:27:45 GMT

I have read some of the comment beside the ones about mothers expresing their concern about children I noticed hatress and a sick concern about the practice of the religion, how they live, what they do, who support them. Some of the comment are with no doubt from hipocrats condenning for sins they commit every day behind doors. Most of those men commenting surely they have more than one woman. I have seen many cases of man living with girls, sleeping with minors (visit Coconut Grove in Miami) and who says something about that. I see a big contradiccion in what Texas Children dept. said about children being so polite and well mannered and then saying they want to protect them from neglect. A child that is neglected will act different as all the others that are in foster home that does not belong to this religion. This has been a attack and violation of this people rights. If there was abuse they should address that individualy. They find out that the phone call was never made from the ranch. That call was made from a woman from Colorado who seems to hate this people,and nevertheless they continue with these violation of right of liberty and the right to prove if they are guilty. Everybody has the right to dress or wear their hair as they please who are they to critizice or make fun of this people. I wonder how they react if they were exposed and everybody want to know how they live, what they eat and what they believe, I am pretty sure they will claim that their privacy are being invaded. Let them be, they do not like Tv or Internet fine, if you like it do not want to impose your preferences to other as if you were the one doing the right thing. Who are you to decide in the life of others.

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Massachusetts — Thu, 24 Apr 2008 03:29:35 GMT

To Just you in Idaho
You are one of the most ignorant people on this forum.

You make stuff up to try to support your idiotic statements...

"...All LDS believe that when they go to heaven they get as many wives as they want..."

This is not one of the tenants of their faith.

" ... they all lie to get what they want..."
"...The other day I asked a man that is part of the morman religien what his views...."
"...A couple years ago I asked an LDS woman who is married to a friend of mine (a friend that she forced to join the morman church or no more sex)..."

but wait..I thought the women were 'owned by the men'?

People like you are how urban myths..you're the 'guy who knew a guy who...'

Wonder how you'd deal with life if some nut case called in to the police that you'd kidnapped and raped her. Oh yeah, that's how this whole thing started. I wouldn't have any sympathy for you either.

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Suzanne Falbrook, Calif. — Thu, 24 Apr 2008 03:35:49 GMT

What I am curious about is how all these FLDS members were approved to get welfare and foodcards. Who are the case handlers from the state of Texas that let this go on so long--without investigating and seeing what was really going on ? In my state you have to be trained for work programs and show a financial statement of some kind if you get any assistance. What is the legal repercusions of this??

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areyoukiddingme? — Thu, 24 Apr 2008 03:45:07 GMT

Oh my lord folks - have you READ what the social workers are saying... let's see...
I want to know exactly what good we are doing these children..
...agency spokeswoman Shari Tulliam says ... these kids are UNFAILINGLY POLITE... they DO CHORES... they PRAY.. they eat WHOLESOME FOOD.. and they will be AHEAD OF THEIR PEERS IN REGULAR SCHOOL...

And yet, they (the 'protectors') say they want to make sure they don't "hinder their (kids) success" (she's talking about their successful integration into the society we read about every day..kids carrying guns to school, killing their parents, doing drugs, etc...

What in the WORLD?

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Pat — Thu, 24 Apr 2008 03:48:18 GMT

These woman say they cook, clean and take care of kids........gee what a life! Then I guess when it's their turn they have sex with their 50 year old husband! I couldn't even imagine one of my daughters with some old man and never really knowing what being loved is all about, and sharing your husband with other woman.........that's sick. This is definately a life for the men in this compond, the woman don't have a life!
Having chidren with all different woman, who knows who belongs to who! Or if you wind up marrying one of your mom's husbans brothers! This is sick invirorment if you ask me! A bucnch of sickos! Give these kids a chance to live a normal life in my opinion and let them pick their own husbands at a decent age!

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Micah, Iowa City, Iowa — Thu, 24 Apr 2008 03:50:11 GMT

In a related article on MSN.com Shari Tulliam said the state wants to protect the kids from neglect and abuse. However, these 400+ children are now thrown into "16 temporary facilities around Texas...until individual custody hearings can be held." How exactly is that preventing neglect? They eat healthier than anyone I know on the ranch, and they have structure (because they are well cared for.) In contrast, the kids that they are inevitably going to be surrounded by will tear these poor, lost kids apart. And I use the term inevitably because once these children enter the system, it will cost too much money to maintain their special needs and will be too much maintenance for the foster families. They will bounce from place to place, and because there are so many some will probably be placed in group facilities or multiple-children homes. There is no way to keep them sheltered- other than to let them go back to their families, to mothers who love them and fathers who provide for them. And if there is in fact evidence of sexual abuse, why is it impossible to investigate it in the same manner that would occur among the outside world- indivually. What the heck happened to innocent until proven guilty? Texas majorly over-stepped its bounds, and now they will have to do whatever it takes to not look like they screwed up big time.

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Micah, Iowa City, Iowa — Thu, 24 Apr 2008 03:50:57 GMT

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Marita M. Colorado — Thu, 24 Apr 2008 03:52:33 GMT

I'm sure these people truly don't consider what they do to their children abuse, because it is all "normal" to them. If the age for sexual consent is 17 and if the legal age for marriage is 16, then by state standards a pregnant 15 year old clearly has been raped. By FLDS standards, however, they are "loved and cherished" children. Where the law has been broken, they should be prosecuted; where their lifestyle simply deviates from the normal they should be left alone.

Even though polygamous marriages are illegal (and I strongly agree that they should be illegal), I don't believe the State recognizes "spiritual" marriages, so can they prosecute a man for polygamy if the marriage is not recognized by the state? Wouldn't the men simply be fathering children out of wedlock as far as the state is concerned? And if they start prosecuting men in Texas for fathering children with multiple women, the state is going to have their hands full for a very long time!

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Jan Boling Blairsville, Ga. — Thu, 24 Apr 2008 03:58:26 GMT

Everyone should donate at least $10 so these people can pay for legal help to get their children back. Shame on Texas for taking them.

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Suzanne Falbrook, Calif. — Thu, 24 Apr 2008 04:00:20 GMT

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Karen — Thu, 24 Apr 2008 04:01:33 GMT

Sure they all just happen to like long hair and exactly the same style! Give me a break. That is how they are made to wear it with no say so in the matter. Just like wearing clothes like they just got off the set of "Little House On The Prarie" This is a cult! The men live a great life screwing 5 or 6 different woman. The woman cook, clean, wash and raise kids for them to have sex with at 15 or 16 years old! These woman need to let these children have a life! A real life! I think the fathers should be supporting all these babies they make and not our welfare system, if that is true! Where do they get their money from?????????

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Jamie — Thu, 24 Apr 2008 04:02:49 GMT

There are a few issues at stake here:

1. Is there something about their religion or the environment they live in that makes the children susceptible to being abused? If so, can this abuse be proved? To those of you who keep decrying this as the work of fascists: freedom of religion stops short of allowing individuals to physically or emotionally harm children.

2. Is this a cult? Are the women still members out of their own free will, or are they brainwashed and/or too frightened to leave? One can't deny the power imbalance between women and men that exists in their community. Do the women actually choose to live in a community that insists upon their inferiority to men, or does the power imbalance force them into this position?

3. Are the mothers willing and able to cut off contact with the men suspected of abuse in order to protect their children? Will the mothers accept the allegations of abuse, or would they continue to deny it even with solid evidence? Foster care should be seen as a last resort only reached when a parent can't or won't protect his/her child from preventable harm.

Obviously this isn't a straight forward case with easy answers. There are many issues to address in order to determine whether it's a few isolated incidents or whether it's endemic to the entire community. Hopefully it won't continue to devolve into an attack on minority religions and alternative lifestyles.

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Greg Stan — Thu, 24 Apr 2008 04:14:37 GMT

Ask yourself: "Has a girl in my county ever called in a sexual abuse complaint?" For almost all of us, the answer is, "Yes."

Now ask, "Did the authorities where I live respond by breaking into hundreds of homes, ransacking them, and forcing hundreds of children of caring mothers into 'foster' care?" I think not.

Also ask, "Do I believe that these children will be unlikely to suffer abuse in 'foster' care?" (Sigh...)

Of course abuse claims should be investigated and abusers should be dealt with. This investigation, however, seems itself to be religiously bigoted abuse.

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MA — Thu, 24 Apr 2008 04:16:04 GMT

We are sweet, wonderful, never do anything wrong. We are the victims here. What else did you think they were going to say? They are depending on everyones sympathy to blow smoke over their crimes. Why don't you people research what Warren Jeffs teaches, how he punishes those who don't follow. How they walk, talk, and dress is an exact proclamation from Jeffs. They don't do anything because they want to, they do it because he says so. Look up the FLDS lost boys and see how real those loving parents are, when directed, they will turn their backs on their own children in a heartbeat. Oooo dumping your son on the side of the road and tell him to never come back just speaks of warm fuzzy parents, I can feel the love. I am not buying what these people are selling. Kind of funny isn't it...the brainwashed are now trying to brainwash the masses. Feels like the Twilight Zone.

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Tim orden — Thu, 24 Apr 2008 04:18:22 GMT

I smell a major lawsuit brewing. It'll be in federal court. There are constitutional questions being tested here.

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Aless Fergusson — Thu, 24 Apr 2008 04:22:09 GMT

Could I share my husband with another woman?????
Not at all! Never! Ever!!!!!!!!!!
That, in my view is obscene !

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bh, sp, utah — Thu, 24 Apr 2008 04:22:51 GMT

If an individual committed a crime in this case, that individual should be arrested and tried. I am surprized that as americans we allow government officials to come in to a community and confiscate all of the children based on accusations and hearsay against a few individuals. No matter how noble they may believe their actions may be, these government officials have stomped all over the constitution in the process. We could be setting a dangerous precedent if the local government is allowed to get away with their handling of this affair. Imagine how you would feel if the local authorities were to come and take your children and all of your neighbors children and put them into what they called protective custody because one of your neighbors was suspected of child abuse. Since you lived in the same neighborhood it was suspected you may also be guilty of child abuse. And if you wanted to get your children back you had better cooperate and tell the government officials everything they want to hear. Any time we allow individual rights to be abused in this manner we all suffer.

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aless fergusson — Thu, 24 Apr 2008 04:27:23 GMT

Gosh ! I will wear my red dress more often !
Those ladies remind me of "The Stepford Wives "
kind of subdue, obedient.
I can not even imagine to have a sister-wife in my home ! I feel sorry for all the young girls that belong to that sect.

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Carol B, San Diego, CA — Thu, 24 Apr 2008 04:30:57 GMT

My husband comes from a long line of Mormons. His great grandparents were polygamists. The truth is,"true" mormonism's roots are polygamist. Joseph Smith was a polygmast and were all the other "prophets" of mormonism. Mainline Mormons like to sweep this under the rug, but they still elevate Joseph Smith and the others. An excellent video explaining all this is "Lifting the Veil of Polygamy." Many x-polygamists are interviewed:
www.liftingtheveilofpolygamy.com

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Mason, Taipei, Taiwan — Thu, 24 Apr 2008 04:31:01 GMT

I can't believe how unhealthy it is for FLDS parents to subject their "kids" to the kinds of enclosed and isolated education they are getting. How can these kids ever grow up and become competitive in today's "information" and technical age? They are training their kids to become computer illiterate at best and at worst, to become societal misfits, condemning the kids to grow up only becoming garden farmers and around the house handy men (pathetic). Very sad indeed, for the sake of the kids, I'm glad that the State stepped in. Given this context, the State coming in and grabbing the children away is akin to the state taking a kid away from drug abusive parents (even though the parents might still be good and loving people, they are nevertheless abusive to the kids).

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Bryan S, Seattle, WA — Thu, 24 Apr 2008 04:38:01 GMT

One thing we have to keep in mind is that what we now consider "child sex abuse" and such forth is a recent development in terms of societal law. It was not uncommon for girls as young as 12 to be married in our country until within the past 50-100 years. It's only now that we have the means and medical understanding of how a human grows and matures that we have decided 12, 13, 14, etc is too young for a girl to marry or have sexual relations with someone older, etc. Only now do we call it "rape" automatically.

These people function in a different society with different rules than what we are used to now. We need to be understanding of this. If there is forced marriage or coercion, then yes, courts need to step in. Otherwise I think that this is an appalling jump into a private world.

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Caroline, San Antonio, TX — Thu, 24 Apr 2008 04:42:59 GMT

I don't care why they wear prairie dresses; I just want to know how they can defend their way of life when 14 year olds are "married" to 50 year olds---anywhere else, that's the definition of pedophelia. No wonder their kids were taken away--sad, yes, but if any of the allegations are true, it's probably for the best.

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Jeff, Denver, CO — Thu, 24 Apr 2008 04:46:56 GMT

I feel for these families. I also feel like this is a case of religious discrimination. Why just go after these people. Face it, find out the truth and posecute those individuals. Not the entire community. These people are not in the news because they are violent gun wielding thugs. A few of them are sick. Take a look at the Catholic Church and some of thier priest. I guess that we should have states remove all children from Catholic familes next.

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D. Barrelli, Salt Lake City, UT — Thu, 24 Apr 2008 04:49:45 GMT

I have lived in Utah now for 40 years and know a few things about the culture---and the FLDS, as we had some caregivers for an elderly parent from this group. I feel sorry for them, most are born into this lifestyle and are indoctrinated. But the welfare fraud should bother those who defend these good folk, cuz who's paying for all these wives and kids? It's you, the taxpayers!!! These kids have NO EDUCATION. The girls start breeding in their teens. The boys go off and fend for themselves best as they can. And Medicaid, WIC, and food stamps help support the lifestyle.

If the Texas showdown does nothing else, it may accomplish the following:

--helping these kids see another path to a fulfilling life

--expose the tax/welfare fraud that keeps these folks going and hopefully, shut it down

--stop the child-bride nonsense that is just nonsense in this day and age.

It is not the 1800's. Warren Jeffs and his polygamous counterparts must be stopped from exploiting uneducated women and children for their own gain and power trips.

Thank you Texas for seeing the sickness that the Utah authorities have chosen to deny exists (or tolerate).

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Beth, Milwaukee, WI — Thu, 24 Apr 2008 05:11:42 GMT

If the government has been supporting the majority of these children - providing healthcare, childcare, and other forms of assistance - who do the kids really belong to?

Public assistance, under most circumstances, is not an entitlement and was intended only to provide short-term aid. If the FLDS community cannot afford to support the children they already have, then perhaps the adults should find some revenue-generating hobbies - instead of procreation.

When the government supports you, the government owns you. I saw an earlier comment comparing FLDS to the Amish communities. How many Amish families are on AFDC???

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Hank D — Thu, 24 Apr 2008 05:13:32 GMT

How many of our own parents or grandparents married as teens and stayed together? How many unwed teen mothers have we seen> How many cultures have mating rituals such as these people? whatthey do is not neccesarily immoral. Seems to me that their society is a bit better of than many of our, with the foolishness that prevades opur everyday lives. Why take away there children? It doesn't make sense. If the age of consent to marry is sixteen, how can it be illegal for someone that age to decide to have sex w/o marriage. I do not agree with all aspect of their society, but, taking away their children, is nuts. Moreover, if a person is able to make an informed consent, why not let them have their freedom. Morerover, the original call that came in, regarding the initial allegations was a hoax!! This is cruel, what has happened to these people. But hey, my people have experienced cruelty here since we first arrived and continues.Doesn't make it any easier to watch it happen to others. Free the flds kids!!!

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Angela B, Seattle WA — Thu, 24 Apr 2008 05:14:28 GMT

I imagine the FLDS/YFZ people have a lawyer who has advised them to act EXACTLY like they're acting now, in the event they ever had an intrusion by the government. And...they have always known this was going to come. Because they knew they were breaking the law.

You can expect them to continue to stall, evade, deny, and very probably lie. Because the truth would be unacceptable to the general public. Show them a genuinely distraught mother (or five, or ten, or fifty) whose children are now, very probably, equally distraught at being wrenched from the only lives they've ever known and thrown into a system that was overwhelmed *before* it got saddled with another 400+ kids.....and how long will it be before public opinion is swayed?

If there really was a bed inside their church....if wives were "reassigned" to husbands....if they were theoretically free to leave, but leaving meant not only being shunned by everyone they've ever known, and at the mercy of a world they've always been taught is evil...that's not freedom. It's one thing for adults to walk into that lifestyle, knowing what they're getting into (if indeed they do know, and do not gradually drift until the unacceptable feels acceptable - like that line in the movie 'Angels and Insects': I know what I did was wrong. But you have to understand, it didn't *feel* wrong.") But anyone raised in that lifestyle and kept deliberately ignorant of any other kind of life are not "free" to leave.

Now for a personal anecdote. Years ago - 20 or so now - I was involved with a group called Advocates for Life, operating out of Portland, Oregon. I was even their secretary for a while, filing and answering the phone. We did protests and so forth. When they heard about a non-dangerous stunt I'd pulled at a few abortion clinics a year previously, they were very adamant about NOT doing any 'political' stunts, only about putting our bodies between the clinics and the women who were going to have their babies killed. Bear with me, this isn't about abortion, as you'll see in a moment. Remember: they were ADAMANT about "No politics." This was a non-negotiable policy. When we were arrested, we were NOT to pay fines...ever. But to do jail time instead, to increase the cost to the system, to bog it down, and to discourage further prosecution of groups like ours, so we could continue to function.

Several years passed. I got out of the movement, but I still got the newsletter. Then Shelley Shannon shot George Tiller, provider of 3rd-trimester abortions in Kansas City (and went to jail for 20 years. Maybe she's out now, I dunno). In the newsletter, they came out in support of her use of "Holy Violence". Well! Talk about a 180 degree turn! I called them on it - wrote a letter, got a letter in return, in which Dawn Stover informed me that "We always knew it would come to this, we just weren't ready for it yet." Oh REEEEAAAALLY?

Well. These people in Texas always knew it would come to this, too. And as I say, I'm certain their lawyers have advised them to act exactly the way they're acting, to increase the financial burden on the state while they get their trial-by-evening-news, and the images of distraught mothers and the cries of 'freedom of religion' win out over the very possible reality of brainwashed and sexually-exploited children.

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tina, michigan — Thu, 24 Apr 2008 05:25:04 GMT

Instead of rushing in and taking all these children out of their homes, shouldn't they have "spied" first. i mean really! Hundreds of lives have been destroyed by this,children displaced from eachother and their mothers,it's horrible. could no one have monitored the living situations of these people before destroying an entire lifetime for them. Sadly, their is speculation that there may have been cases of sexual abuse and of course that should be properly investigated,...but what texas has done is so wrong in so many ways. What they have done is equal to going to any random town where there is a reported sexual abuse case and taking all the children in town.would that make sense? there HAS to be a better way. These children are suffering,can't they be monitored in there own surroundings,with theyre own mothers?are'nt the men the issue here? The men are doing the beating and the raping, am i correct? so tell me, why on earth are the women and children being seperated?I prey that any wrong doing on the part of these people will be dealt with harshly and quickly so all the children affected can grow up to be stable,healthy,productive individuals by being reunited with the people who love them,...innocently :)

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Dave, Rochester, MN — Thu, 24 Apr 2008 05:39:37 GMT

This is the USA. People are innocent until proven guilty. Proof requires evidence. If the state took my kids like this without evidence of harm, I hope my fellow Americans would stand behind me and demand that they give them back. Has anyone started a petition or protest?

Some children were being harmed, I'm sure. But the state is doing untold damage to the majority of these 437 children by removing them from their homes. And all because of a hoax phone call.

The brilliant one in all this is that Jessop woman. She hasn't lost her kids, she doesn't have to find foster homes for 437 kids, and she's getting tons of TV airtime. I bet "Escape" is selling like hotcakes now. Let's not forget that she stands to benefit financially for any outlandish tales she can give about the FLDS. We should believe the women who are actually living at the YFZ Ranch and not some outsider.

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Diana French Otsego Michigan — Thu, 24 Apr 2008 05:40:03 GMT

Ok. We are all intelligent people, presumably. Come, let us reason.. What is the PURPOSE of a Latter Day Saint or Mormon man of today having multiple wives? In the early days of Mormanism, my understanding is the members were persecuted unto death, specifically the men,and in order to preserve their populatiion and lifestyle aka faith,they adopted the practice of polygamy. Strictly practical. Survival of the species. Ok,assuming we could all say yes to survival of the species and freedom of religion. Now the question that begs an answer is why now?? Why today, in a country that has both State and Federal laws to protect this group (and others) from hate crimes, religious persecution and genocide, would these people need to have multiple wives? And why babies? Let's get real folks. This is the most glaringly obvious abuse of male domination and exploitation of both these women and kids as well as the very fundamental ideals of Mormanism. Give us a break ladies. If your "interest" is with trul your children as you claim, then take stock of the reality of the situation and get out of this insanity. These are child abusers you are mated to. They have abused you and they have and will continue to abuse your children. Just drop them and get on with your lives. Stop blaming Texas and the world for the selfishness and sickness of your "leaders".

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Talula, Texas Child Advocate — Thu, 24 Apr 2008 05:55:19 GMT

There is medical evidence filed in the court in San
Angelo that some of the older girls had 1-3 children and are 16 and 17 years of age -- do the math. It is documented abuse! Many children (age 5 & up) couldn't identify their own mothers, or fathers -- so the judge ordered DNA tests of all of them! Once those test are done and the reports come back to the court -- How many children actually belong to any man or woman? How many wives? How many times was any adult man or woman inviolved in the other crimes of rape, incest (between sister/older brother/first cousins), bigamy, welfare fraud, kidnapping(of all under 6 years of age from their AZ & UT biological parents due to the 'prophet's orders' by Jeff's own admission in his own court case) --) and then how many women and children were also taken away from their own legal husband/father to be 'assigned' to another man when Warren Jeffs ordered it? Was there fraud as the Texas Education Agency believes about their children's school home school curriculums and attendance? Was there child labor laws being broken by the youngest boys working in a man's position in construction or the concrete factory on the site? There was documented proof of the Welfare fraud already being investigated by the Federal government!There were documents proving the 'spiritual marriages' and birth certificates and family bibles cross-refencing the names and ages of many of the children -- that is why the number of 'children' went from 416 to 437 in the last few days.Older girls professing to be in their late 20's were found to be under-age minors! Damn, people! How many laws do you have to break before you are labeled as criminals abusing children and living on the taxpayers
dollar? Ther is also court documents of the same group breaking adult labor laws in AZ/UT for stealing the complete paychecks of the men working in the company making aircraft parts to send to the compound in El Dorado! Dept of Defense money being laundered to support the FLDS in El Dorado! So you all think they are "Harmless" "Poor People" who have lost "their" children??? Think again and wait until all the evidence comes out!

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Ano, Sunnyvale, CA — Thu, 24 Apr 2008 06:00:28 GMT

I've been following this news for a week now and it's scarier than addiction. However, I don't feel any sympathy for them, although I felt really bad for those children's life. But when you think of what's happening in the ranch and how they don't allow children to watch tv or access the internet, it's just plain brainwashing at a very early age. I remembered when I was growing up my parents didn't allow me to watch tv unless I did my homework and that is understandable. At least I could enjoy my sparetime watching cartoons as a kid. Kids suppose to act as kids, enjoy the time being as a kid!
Also, what's the deal with this marrying young girls to sick old man?? And you won't allow tv or internet for some no sex or violence reasons?? Wouldn't these people teaching those young girls sex at a very young age? When you think about underage bride,wouldn't it be the same as taking away their youth and freedom? I personally think that when I was 14-16, that was the time of my life, I had fun and enjoyed myself as a teenager. I didn't have to think about taking care of my children or husband at that age.
Bottom line, please prosecute whoever that married off young girls!! Please let those kids be kids and act like one! Don't take away their youth because of some beliefs of "having more wives can get you closer to heaven". But then again, this is just my 2 cents...

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Becky, New York — Thu, 24 Apr 2008 06:15:47 GMT

If only half of the stories we 'outsiders' have heard about the abuse and lawlessness that goes on inside the compound of this 'church' are true, then I think there are some men who have an awful lot of explaining to do. I want to hear some real life statements from the men. I want to hear from the boys who are cast out because they are competition for the girls (who would much prefer to marry a man who is young like themselves I am sure). I want to hear these men explain how they could cast out these young men who were once their "beloved, pure, innocent most precious gifts from God". I want to hear these men explain how it is ok for them to bring all these children into the world and not have to have a job and actually support them and their mothers. Why is it that contact with outsiders will plunge you into Eternal Damnation but our money sure seems to be good enough?! I want to hear the women try to make any sense of this, and when they can't (and they can't), I want to see them then look at each other for a long moment and ask just what sort of apocalyptic nightmare would have to happen before they started thinking, acting, taking responsibility for and making sense for themselves and their children. Now that would be an interview worth watching. Get some real courage Ladies and then watch the strong women of this nation support you and all the legal aspects of your religion.

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Howard Wright — Thu, 24 Apr 2008 06:36:13 GMT

This "religion" is nothing but an excuse for older men to have sex with young girls under the protection of religious freedom granted by the US constitution.Thank God they have now been busted in Texas.Something might happen to these perverts now i.e electricution.They like to fry bad people in that state....

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Sherri, New York — Thu, 24 Apr 2008 06:52:25 GMT

You know, this is really wrong, and I feel for these people. Most of them, I am absolutely sure, love their children dearly and would do nothing to put them in harm's way. There is good and bad in all people, so why is the state picking on just them? How about the next town in Texas. There may be children in that town who are being abused. So what does the state do in that case? Step in and take all of the town's children so that they can investigate? This is wrong.

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PD — Thu, 24 Apr 2008 07:14:41 GMT

Happens I know a lady who was a child bride that escaped from one of these "innocent" communities. Flatly, she says she was raped. Excuse me, but people lie. Many of them lie very well. And everyone will lie if their children are taken away.

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Ellen Lee, Colonial Heights, Virginia — Thu, 24 Apr 2008 07:30:22 GMT

Women who have been raised from very young ages; to fear, leaving the compounds. Now, if she leaves where does she go? She has no way to know north, south, east or west. She has not watched Oprah or Dr Phil.

Women who were not raised on compound, they have an idea of where to go to get some help. They get to view it daily.

Children not raised on a compound; (with the help of a little TV, have an idea of where to go for help.

The only ones on the compound who could know where to go for help are the MEN...they don't need any help, they have it quite nicely made…..thank you very much.

This is a Pedifile's safe house. When men are messing with girls as young as 10, 11 they are sexual predators most likely violent when confronted by a female.

People need to understand the nature of this type of Predator. These on the compound are lazy, they take what’s at hand, the same for the Predatory who molest females in his own family…..lazy, doesn't have go anywhere to get to his victims.

Don’t know if these females on the compound are with it enough, I think what emotion we see from them is induced by the males from the compound. These males want the young girls back and I am sure they will put great pressure on the other women to get them back.

If these children are not given back to this compound, it will be quite a while before these men have a young child to molest.

Unless they start looking outside there compound.

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michelle omaha ne — Thu, 24 Apr 2008 07:34:23 GMT

for all of you p.c. crybabies out there blubbering on about freedom of religion get a clue! these people aren’t being persecuted for their religious beliefs. nobody cares what their religious beliefs are, i know i sure don't! they're being broken apart because theirs is a world that encourages child molestation, oppression, fear, and ignorance. Somebody should have done something about these people a long time ago, and for whatever reason they’re doing something about it now and I for one say it’s about time! I don’t claim to know a whole lot about these people but I don’t necessarily need or want to, all I need to know is that pedophilia and rape run rampant with these people, when a teenage girl is giving birth to a middle-aged man’s children there is only one way to describe that and that is disgusting and evil.

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Sue Stuart, Toccoa, GA — Thu, 24 Apr 2008 08:05:27 GMT

It's just sad. From the beginning there was something that just didn't feel good about this one. It has a little storm-trooper feel to it. Like... deep in my heart something's not right and I think it may be about human rights. I find myself asking "are we being judgemental of a lifestyle and not being as delicate as we should with what appears to be appropriate and healthy family units. It should have been a priority to investigate first and then determine who the criminal element was and remove/persecute that/those persons. Interesting thought...who's next?

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JM, Kansas City, Mo — Thu, 24 Apr 2008 08:11:38 GMT

"Where does the money come from?"
Multiple wive, who are not legal wives, apply for and get welfare for themselves and all of these children.

Your tax dollars at work, supporting a cult of freaks who sexually abuse women and children, and throw the young males out on the streets.

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Protect the children, FL — Thu, 24 Apr 2008 08:33:04 GMT

Bottom line is someone has to protect the CHILDREN!!
I lived in Utah for over twenty yrs and no I am not Mormon, I know alot of really good LDS folks, however I can pick out a Mormon here with a click of a finger-just by how the comments were made...they say they can leave any time, give me a break-the compound is out in BFE, where are they going to go and how are they getting there?!
And M from K Falls, I would think you are not even an American the way you speak.
If anyone has any questions or even doubts on the LDS, pick up a Book of Mormon.

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Juanito Verde, Pukalani, HI — Thu, 24 Apr 2008 08:40:39 GMT

I'm going to do what the government should do--I'm going to butt out.

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Angelica Marie, NYC, NY — Thu, 24 Apr 2008 08:48:07 GMT

Last time I checked this was still the USA. I pay my taxes and I adhere to the laws of the State and Country. I love this country. We have so many freedoms that much of the world only dreams about. These people are abusing the privilege of being able to live in this country by hiding behind the guise of 'freedom of religion'. What they practice is not a religion so much as a bastardizing of a faith that banned polygamy long ago. If you are lucky enough to live in this country you had better follow the laws. You break the law, you pay the price. My heart goes out to the children and mothers, HOWEVER, the mothers did not or could not provide the proper protection for their children. There's something very nice with being brought up by a community, but this community is depraved in it's thinking. Being different doesn't automatically mean being right. These children are entitled to know just who their real mother is. Four, five, eight, twelve, women can't all be 'mother'. Sorry, I don't buy into the P.R. coming out of the 'compound/ranch'

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Eugenia, Texas — Thu, 24 Apr 2008 09:00:30 GMT

REMEMBER: THESE MOTHERS ARE THE SAME MOTHERS THAT KICK OUT THE TEENAGE BOYS (LOST BOYS) AND SEND THEM AWAY JUST BECAUSE THEY DO NOT NEED SO MANY BOYS IN THE "COMPOUND" ... THEY WANT THEIR GIRLS BACK, BUT WHAT ABOUT THE BOYS THEY SENT AWAY ... WHY THEY DON'T WANT THEM BACK????
THEY ARE NOT GOOD MOTHERS!!

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Someone, Somewhere, Texas — Thu, 24 Apr 2008 09:20:25 GMT

I tell you whats crazy. My daughter was sexually assaulted and became pregnant by a man twice her age in the state of Texas and it was after the baby was over a year old before an arrest warant was issued and served. Now we wait till who knows when before this case goes to court, I was even told by the police detective who by the way was a woman and acted like I was bothering her to get her to do something about this. Also she told me this guy might not even serve jail time. How mixed up is our laws and our society ? What about police officers who are paid to lawfully protect the innocent. I am confused about this whole thing in Eldorado, Tx as well. Are laws only meant for one group of people or are they written equally for everyone ? Are there some who are above the law ? The men and women who are responsible should pay if they have committed crimes against humanity and the state. Also, if any woman stood by and didn't protect her child from abuse, she also should pay.

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Tom Paine, Lancaster, PA. — Thu, 24 Apr 2008 09:31:35 GMT

I have to ask;
Has anyone read the US Constitution, specifically Article 1? (In part), The Government will make no laws that impinge upon religeon? Suggested read it...

Here in America we are innocent of a crime until Proven guilty? Does that no longer apply?

Is Texas government taking too many liberties?

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teresa — Thu, 24 Apr 2008 10:01:23 GMT

reADING SOME OF THESE COMMENTS..its obvious some of you are of the focus..this situation with the FDLS is about suspected child abuse and forced marriages between young girls and men in their 40's and 50's. if you are interested in the going's on inside the FDLS 'CHURCH' do your homework and read the first hand accounts of those in the know; those who have escaped the 'church---flora jessup, 'the lost boys'...this is not about railroading 'religous freedom'....

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Richard, Illinois — Thu, 24 Apr 2008 10:07:32 GMT

I would love to know where the 16 year old girl is that started this, I think the state made it up so that they could raid the ranch. I think it's outrageous that they took all the children away, and I don't believe that all the men were having sex with the "kiddies" only a few warped minds would think that. I just think the state wanted to get their paws on the place, and came up with an excuse.

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rhonda canton connecticut — Thu, 24 Apr 2008 10:20:07 GMT

the poligomist group we see here ,seems to be hiding something.not sure what it is but something is fishy. if they arent doing anything wrong, then whats the big deal to do DNA on the people. oh i know, because they have sex with under age girls and probably incest going on there to. i am glad they got raided because now maybe the children can be saved....... GOD BLESS THE CHILDREN!!!!!!

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beth gajita-Manila, Philippines — Thu, 24 Apr 2008 10:27:21 GMT

WELL as i read this stories I'm convinced that women interviewed are hiding something..they don't want to reveal what they know..the are really brainwashed by their sect. I pity the children..and i hate men who did abuse them.

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adel hermas — Thu, 24 Apr 2008 10:31:41 GMT

Dear Kevin Canfeild, if you really want to learn
about ethics and respect to the children of the world
and to the mothers of the world, you should learn more about Islam and it will be better if you can convert to Islam.

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A person from England — Thu, 24 Apr 2008 11:01:40 GMT

The legal age to marry was changed from 14 to 16 because of the FDLS set up a ranch in Texas. This seems a little hypocritical. Then the age for sex is different depending on if you are married or not. If multiple marriage was legal then sex for the 16 year olds would be legal. If the age had not changed then it would be ok. In the UK 16 year old girls can have sex with whoever they like as long as they consent. The women have to be vague about what they say as I bet their lawyers have told them to say nothing. They themselves may have been married at 14 with parental consent when it was legal. But unfortunately the law does not see multiple marriages as legal. So some were legal age and others not. Did they all get married in Texas? Who knows. What a complete muddle. What if one Catholic Priest was alledged to have done something wrong so all the Catholic children in that town were put in care.

Now on the issue of why the girls want to marry a less attractive older man - Well these older men have more money and status in the community. Please don't tell me no other parents would you let their daughter marry Bill Gates?

The State and the Law needs to sit down with the FDLS elders and work out a law for the future. Then deal on a case by case basis with individuals who come forward with an issue. It looks like the phone call was a hoax anyway.

Crazy place America - I would want to keep my children sheltered too!

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Toni, Greensboro NC — Thu, 24 Apr 2008 11:20:43 GMT

They actually like prairie dresses?! They actually like to wear their hair in that style?! I don't believe it. That makes everything they say about the positive, "peaceful" life a lie. . .in my mind. The men push out older boys to eliminate competition. Young girls (and boys?) are raped in the temple. The women are trapped inside the cult. The children are subjected to Bush-approved waterboarding. Disgusting.

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JD, Houston TX — Thu, 24 Apr 2008 11:26:54 GMT

There is no freedom that supercedes the right to personal safety and a life free from abuse, including freedom of religion. In our country we decided that it's more important to protect individuals than religions, and that's what's going on here.

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Douglas Brown — Thu, 24 Apr 2008 11:42:59 GMT

Two things. They should get rid of the multiple wive thing (an obvious brainwashing), and don't even think about choosing a mate until at least 18 years of age. I don't have a problem with the prairie dress, (maybe they should be given covered wagons?). I'm suspicious about the possible abuse of the children. When you have a cult like this (lets face it, it is a cult), the children can be molded to believe just about anything, and made to believe that it's normal and accepted. Kind of a sad and stickey situation.

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Evie, LaPlace, LA — Thu, 24 Apr 2008 11:44:59 GMT

There are many things to address here but the one thing I want to address is the financial support of these people. Years ago I worked as a temporary at a business that made and supplied products to the United States of America Government. (I don't want to be any more specific so as to protect the innocent.) The owners of the business and many of the employees were FLDS members. The business was profitable and supported many family members. Also they live a very frugal lifestyle - no name brand clothes, entertainment expenses, etc. and grow much of their own food. Government support of these people was probably nil until the government stepped in and took it upon themselves to seperate families and start supporting them.

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mom of five with the same dad and no govt help, frisco, tx — Thu, 24 Apr 2008 11:56:28 GMT

maybe the tx dept of human services got tired of paying benefits to these moms of 412 children with no dad listed on the birth certificate

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Lisa, New York — Thu, 24 Apr 2008 12:00:47 GMT

What community is next?

Will an Amish town be raided and every child ripped away from their Amish parents because they are brainwashing their children and not allowing them to live and grow up by mainstream social values?

Will it be a small Quaker village, using a clearly false report on one individual in their group to go in with a large armed force and take all their children from them under the threat of shooting them dead if they resist? We can justify it because we don’t like the way they live or what they believe? We can say they are harming the children because they are brainwashing them to be backwards and act as if they are living in a society from a hundred years in the past.

Will we go into a community of Jehovah's Witnesses and take all the children away from every family in the community because it is suspected but not known for sure that a few of them may be denying required medical attention for their children? So based on this shall we remove all children from all Jehovah's Witnesses because they are brainwashing their children to not believe and trust in medicine?

Wake up. Don’t you realize the far reaching implications of this raid taking more than 400 children away from multiple families in a religious community based on a false report that they clearly new from the beginning was false. The location of 911 calls are instantly known by the operator and the call originated out of state.

What’s up with the prairie dresses?

owlspiritwoman, lancaster, pa — Thu, 24 Apr 2008 12:37:08 GMT

One commentor compared this group to the Amish and I am afraid with that you are very wrong. Amish make the choice to join their church and lead their secluded lives, some of the children leave the church and some don't but they have the right to make that choice AND their parents and their church support their experiencing the "outside" world prior to making the committment.

What’s up with the prairie dresses?

gene bowman, newton, nc — Thu, 24 Apr 2008 12:51:06 GMT

TEXAS is WRONG. They should have put people on the Ranch to supervise; not remove the children. What does this do to a 4 5 or 6 year old ? It is ludicrous to think that a Gov (TEXAS) would be so bold as to do this. NOW what are they going to do with the 416 children they have taken ? TEXAS is Wrong.... Again; They could have moved to the ranch with supervision (court ordered) and supervised by outsiders. These people have Rights and the kids (bless them) are scraed to death and the state of TEXAS is totally wrong.

What’s up with the prairie dresses?

R. Goldsmith, Mint Hill, NC — Thu, 24 Apr 2008 12:51:16 GMT

I have a reasonably large variety of friends and work associates, here in North Carolina, in Florida where we lived for years, and elsewhere. I don't know a single person who isn't appalled by the quiet brutality of what is being done to these hundreds of children. Unbelievable on every level. If some as-yet undetermined percentage of these children have been abused, according to the reasonable standards of the larger society in which these people live, then let us go about the difficult task of identifying the victims, etc. What could possibly give us the legal or moral right to snatch away hundreds of small children from what is often their own parents or, at worst, what could be called "custodial parents" or guardians? Maybe a better way to sum it up is that we are replacing a rumored small amount of "violence" with the sure violence of forcibly removing 400 children from the only life they knew, showing absolute contempt for their reasonable needs and rights under our laws.